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Indefinite tenancies discussed on Joe Duffy show

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  • #52
    Claw Hammer
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,295 ✭✭✭Claw Hammer


    Ray Palmer wrote: »
    Claw>
    Still makes no sense. Doesn't hide anything if they aren't looking at it.

    Who said anything to do with the RTB had to make sense?


  • #53
    Ray Palmer
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,453 ✭✭✭Ray Palmer


    Claw Hammer wrote: »
    Ray Palmer wrote: »
    Claw>
    Still makes no sense. Doesn't hide anything if they aren't looking at it.

    Who said anything to do with the RTB had to make sense?
    Your claim is people do these things to hide what they are doing. Who are they hiding from if nobody is looking? It is your claim this helps in some way that doesn't make sense. Nothing you said changes anything or will cause them to avoid detection. A simple database query against post codes would spot "changed" addresses regardless of if provided on the forms.


  • #54
    Claw Hammer
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,295 ✭✭✭Claw Hammer


    Ray Palmer wrote: »
    Your claim is people do these things to hide what they are doing. Who are they hiding from if nobody is looking? It is your claim this helps in some way that doesn't make sense. Nothing you said changes anything or will cause them to avoid detection. A simple database query against post codes would spot "changed" addresses regardless of if provided on the forms.

    first of all nobody knows when someone will look. Post codes often were't recorded so searches wont show anything. Even if they were it wouldn't show how a letting had changed.


  • #55
    DoozerT6
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,589 ✭✭✭DoozerT6


    How would long-term tenancies work for small-time landlords, who's personal circumstances could change at the drop of a hat (landlord's insolvency, illness, death! among other reasons) therefore impacting their tenants?

    Surely this would only work if run by a large private company with dozens or hundreds of properties on their books? On paper it seems like a good idea though, private tenants like Joe and Joan Soap who both have jobs, could have peace of mind knowing that they could raise their family in the same house for life, as long as they pay the rent on time and adhere to the conditions of their contract with their 'landlord?'

    Am I being too simplistic about it?


  • #56
    DubCount
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,092 ✭✭✭DubCount


    DoozerT6 wrote: »
    How would long-term tenancies work for small-time landlords, who's personal circumstances could change at the drop of a hat (landlord's insolvency, illness, death! among other reasons) therefore impacting their tenants?

    Surely this would only work if run by a large private company with dozens or hundreds of properties on their books? On paper it seems like a good idea though, private tenants like Joe and Joan Soap who both have jobs, could have peace of mind knowing that they could raise their family in the same house for life, as long as they pay the rent on time and adhere to the conditions of their contract with their 'landlord?'

    Am I being too simplistic about it?

    I think this is simplistic. Some small landlords may be interested in a long term commitment if there is sufficient incentive and commitment from all parties. Look at the Long Term Lease scheme run by some local authorities run.

    There are some issues resolve here. Long term commitment may not suit everyone. The current trend of making all tenancy agreements long term commitments form the landlord and short term commitments from the tenants is not fair or helpful. If there is a long term letting system, it needs to co-exist with short term lettings as well. There needs to be some rationale for people to choose long term/short term with appropriate commitment from both parties.


  • #57
    DoozerT6
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    ^^fully agree with you, but even with the best of intentions, one landlord is at the mercy of many variables that means they may not be able to continue being a landlord. A tenant may find after 10-15 years that their landlord has died/become seriously ill and unable to manage their property/marriage breakup, needs the tenanted house/is suffering financial difficulties and needs to sell. Those risks are minimised if their 'landlord' is a company, not one individual.

    "If there is a long term letting system, it needs to co-exist with short term lettings as well. There needs to be some rationale for people to choose long term/short term with appropriate commitment from both parties".

    I'd agree and should have mentioned that in my post above. I was focusing more on the 'long-term' aspect of the discussion.


  • #58
    4ensic15
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 4,691 ✭✭✭4ensic15


    The reality is that when rents are reasonably stable and accommodation is available, there is little or no problem. Moving home for a tenant is no big deal if equivalent accommodation for the same price is available in the same area. The whole issue is supply. Making rules for a situation of short supply is about the best way of ensuring that supply remains short.


  • #59
    Ray Palmer
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,453 ✭✭✭Ray Palmer


    Claw Hammer wrote: »

    first of all nobody knows when someone will look. Post codes often were't recorded so searches wont show anything. Even if they were it wouldn't show how a letting had changed.
    I don't know if you deliberately ignored where I said that when postcodes are not provided they can still be found. It is very easy to get a system to check what a postcode is for an address. First you add the post codes then a query. Playing around with the address doesn't change your post code even when you not on the form. Very easy to do and I have done it for a government department already. So what you are saying remains pointless as a method to avoid detection and doesn't matter in court cases as it is so obviously transparent. You may think you know a way around it but what you said is ridiculous making no difference. It is like freemen of the state arguments.


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