Warhammer: Total War

ancapailldorcha · 26-03-2021 10:28pm

Tony EH wrote: »

Realm divide was silly. Chaos was annoying as fuck. Civil war in Rome, while also annoying (and eventually) boring made sense given the history. Either way none of those "solutions" to late game TW issues are satisfactory. As for diplomacy, I have never played a TW where I thought that it was good. So, for me, they are all just variations of bad. At least in Rome II, you could build meaningful alliances though. The worst thing about both Rome's is that you were always required to suck up to other nations to keep them on side, as it were. It was just a ticking clock before they ended up hating you for no reason.

They're not perfect by any stretch and I never said that they were. Rome is a game which is showing its age by having too few factions whereas Rome II has far too many.

Diplomacy has always been iffy in TW titles though I think Warhammer 2 does the best job of it.

Tony EH wrote: »

I've never played Crusader Kings. Might give that a go. But I have Attila there and I've never fired it up and I still have a Britannia campaign that I've yet to finish from 2 years ago. LOL

Crusader Kings 2 is now free to play. Some of the DLC is thought of as essential. Quill18 has a Youtube guide for the base game with no DLC if that helps. Definitely give it a go as it's a wonderful game.

Tried Sassanid and Western Rome campaigns in Attila. I think the game overdoes the gloomy tone but as I said, it's an update or two short of being truly great.

Thrones of Britannia was dreadful and why I never bought Three Kingdoms.

Tony EH wrote: »

I own the disks of Rome 1, which I bought before Steam was even a thing, so I suppose that doesn't count?

Steam version AFAIK but you get Rome: Total War gold edition with the remaster.

05-05-2021 7:00am

https://www.reddit.com/r/totalwar/comments/n4zzvn/total_war_warhammer_3_assault_on_the_brass/?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share

https://www.reddit.com/r/totalwar/comments/n4xqgn/does_anyone_know_where_this_is_from/?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share

Some details from TWW3 have leaked apparently, of a campaign battle and there's a screenshot there too.

grassylawn · 05-05-2021 7:26am

Tony EH wrote: »

Out of the box Rome II wasn't great. But with mods it was a different game. I cannot imagine even bothering with it in its release state.

But the original Rome was just far too easy. The cavalry alone could wipe out any resistance.

The problem with both games, and TW in general, is that once the player gets to a certain level they can just romp around the map with impunity. So things like realm divide, civil war and Chaos get written into the game. It's a cheap alternative for the devs, but always one that pisses off the players.

If they're doing a complete overhaul of Rome, I might be interested. But if it's just "shiny" Rome. Then I'll not bother.

Plus, they're looking for $30 for it.

I liked the solution in Alexander, the expansion to Rome 1. They leaned into the romo around with impunity, and gave you a time limit to conquer a large amount of territory.

05-05-2021 3:15pm

Gameplay reveal for TWW3 next Thursday 13th May.

https://twitter.com/totalwar/status/1389942969189519360

Tony EH · 05-05-2021 8:04pm

^
I know nothing about Warhammer, other than playing the TW games. But what is there left to do? Is it just not a case of rehashing with different factions now?

Gbear · 05-05-2021 9:18pm

Tony EH wrote: »

^
I know nothing about Warhammer, other than playing the TW games. But what is there left to do? Is it just not a case of rehashing with different factions now?

In what sense?

One could probably boil any TW sequel down to that.

There's certainly no story to be told, but that was true of games 1 and 2 as well. It's all a bit makey uppey and about making an excuse to stuff all the particular characters and factions together at a single moment.

The main things to look forward to in this are the new factions (including some brand new ones that didn't exist in Warhammer before, or if they did, were barely fleshed out), and more and more polish.

The games have a lot of novel features that you can't really have in historical games - monsters, superpowered lords, magic and such. But that all came at the cost of some other features. Diplomacy, economy, siege warfare and a few other bits and bobs need big updates. We won't get them all at launch, but sieges seem to be a big one they've focused on.

Tony EH · 05-05-2021 9:38pm

Gbear wrote: »

In what sense?

One could probably boil any TW sequel down to that.

Well, that's kinda true to a degree. But, having played Warhammer 1 and then Warhammer 2, at first glance I am unsure what the point is in Wahammer 3.

ancapailldorcha · 06-05-2021 7:28am

Tony EH wrote: »

Well, that's kinda true to a degree. But, having played Warhammer 1 and then Warhammer 2, at first glance I am unsure what the point is in Wahammer 3.

In terms of story, Warhammer is basically WWE-grade fantasy. Nothing wrong with it but these games are ultimately somewhat arcadey strategy games. The second title was a lot more polished than the first so I expect improvements in the third game. I'm also very much looking forward to the new factions and units, especially Chaos which are woefully underdeveloped and have been since WH1's launch.

10-05-2021 10:21am

Read there a streamer basically confirmed they have been playing WH3, was asked on stream if they were excited for the gameplay reveal and answered "I can say anything about it" or words to those meaning. Tallies with the early access streamers were given to the last expansion where there was a period they were able to talk about the patch updates in a very factual way but weren't allowed give any opinions on it, i.e. say they thought the change was good or bad.

Christy42 · 10-05-2021 10:51am

Alina Nutritious Coyote wrote: »

Read there a streamer basically confirmed they have been playing WH3, was asked on stream if they were excited for the gameplay reveal and answered "I can say anything about it" or words to those meaning. Tallies with the early access streamers were given to the last expansion where there was a period they were able to talk about the patch updates in a very factual way but weren't allowed give any opinions on it, i.e. say they thought the change was good or bad.

Possibly didn't feel comfortable giving an opinion with the little they have seen. I know one streamer gave an opinion on what they had played (a strong 8/10 in their opinion). However he knows little about the game as a whole but got to play for about 3 hours.

NDAs for the amount they do know lift on the 13th so expect a load of videos that day.

10-05-2021 10:56am

Christy42 wrote: »

Possibly didn't feel comfortable giving an opinion with the little they have seen. I know one streamer gave an opinion on what they had played (a strong 8/10 in their opinion). However he knows little about the game as a whole but got to play for about 3 hours.

NDAs for the amount they do know lift on the 13th so expect a load of videos that day.

Wasn't asked on stream for an opinion, was just asked if they were excited. As I am for the gameplay reveal and whatever streamers have to show

Christy42 · 10-05-2021 3:45pm

Alina Nutritious Coyote wrote: »

Wasn't asked on stream for an opinion, was just asked if they were excited. As I am for the gameplay reveal and whatever streamers have to show

I am not sure then why they said it then. From others it seems they are allowed voice their opinions. Indeed you would want them to since they are likely to be chosen because they are enthusiastic about total war.

Indeed. I will spend a lot of the 13th going through a fair few Total War Channels to see what they have. One of the advantages of work from home:D.

blackwave · 12-05-2021 6:14pm

Latest trailer released a day early. Getting very excited for this now.

ancapailldorcha · 13-05-2021 6:38pm

Looks like we get to see more:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=--89PwHsKJM

14-05-2021 9:35am

Looks good, they also confirmed this is not a common battle in the game and that minor settlement battles are back.

Mr Crispy · 14-05-2021 10:25am

I kinda like that tower defence twist, but yeah, I wouldn't like to play it too often in the grand campaign.

Potatoeman · 14-05-2021 4:28pm

Alina Nutritious Coyote wrote: »

Looks good, they also confirmed this is not a common battle in the game and that minor settlement battles are back.

Dear god I hope they fix siege battles.

Gunmonkey · 15-05-2021 2:22pm

Mr Crispy wrote: »

I kinda like that tower defence twist, but yeah, I wouldn't like to play it too often in the grand campaign.

From the sounds of it they are only the "final" battle against each of the main 4 Chaos powers. And this is still only the main TW3 campaign; Mortal Empires might not feature them at all.

Zerkovich did a good rundown of some of the newer features from his gameplay thats not being highlighted as much. Main one seems to be a "Wounded" feature for single entity units(Lords, Heroes, Large beasts) that triggers once they drop below 50% health, lowering their speed/damage/armour......some speculating its a way to reduce the effect of Hero or huge beast doomstacks. Like when you are left fighting a LegLord after trudging through their army but just cant whittle them down (once sent 8 Forest Dragons against Louen at around lvl 20....he ate all of them!)

15-05-2021 3:21pm

TWW3 is 20% off on Fanatical at the moment. It's all official keys, just bought it and got the key right away.

02-06-2021 3:58pm

Twitch stream tomorrow at 6pm with WH2 and 3 news so can only assume the final DLC will be revealed for TWW2.

Gunmonkey · 03-06-2021 1:58pm

Aye, wonder who it will be (assuming its one final "vs pack"). Maybe Beastmen will get some love for once

03-06-2021 6:33pm

Gunmonkey wrote: »

Aye, wonder who it will be (assuming its one final "vs pack"). Maybe Beastmen will get some love for once

Beastmen vs Lizards, didn't see Lizards coming. I think they could do with an overhaul, beyond Cult of Sotek they have good units but really ordinary mechanics.

Beastmen is the only DLC I don't have so guess I'm going to have to get it now, sigh.

Gbear · 03-06-2021 7:15pm

Alina Nutritious Coyote wrote: »

Beastmen vs Lizards, didn't see Lizards coming. I think they could do with an overhaul, beyond Cult of Sotek they have good units but really ordinary mechanics.

Beastmen is the only DLC I don't have so guess I'm going to have to get it now, sigh.

Hopefully the Geomantic Web gets an update. It has potential as a concept but it's pretty 1-dimensional at the moment.

They've added a bunch of new systems for local and factionwide buffs, dilemmas, teleportation, and all sorts since the game was first released.

Really, if they fiddled with that a bit I'd be happy enough.

I'd like to be able to actually play a Beastman campaign, but them and Chaos are unplayable in the current state. SFO makes them better, but it's not perfect.

ancapailldorcha · 03-06-2021 7:23pm

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=syIoix1i5YM

Gbear · 04-06-2021 1:20pm

From what's been revealed so far we can make a few inferences about how the Chaos daemon rosters are going to shape up.

They're making a number of variants on Khornate lesser daemons - Bloodletters and Exalted Bloodletters, from what we currently know. One would assume they're going to do similar where possible for the other factions - Daemonettes and Exalted Daemonettes, Plaguebearers and Exalted Plaguebearers, etc.

They're including cross-species god-aligned creatures in the Daemons roster - Khornate Minotaurs in this case. Again, one would imagine they'll have the minotaurs with each Mark of Chaos. It also means that other Beastmen and perhaps Norscan units will also make it into the rosters at some stage. Pestigors, marked Chaos Marauders, Trolls, etc.

They're including reskinned standard units from across the game - reskinned warhounds. All 4 gods will probably have a hound variant. There's also Chaos Spawn of Khorne revealed, and Furies of Khorne, so perhaps we'll also see something like Manticores, and maybe Chimerae further down the line.

They have one confirmed hero that isn't a Herald of Khorne, a Bloodreaper. There's also a mortal hero of some kind, which'll probably be reskin of the existing Chaos Warriors combat hero (and the 3 other gods will presumably get the sorceror as well). That might mean the Heralds are DLC, but starting with all 3 types seems plausible. At any rate, it also suggests an additional hero type for all 4 gods.

They're using Greater Daemons as monstrous single entity units, and Exalted Greater Daemons as Lords.

Skarbrand is leading Khorne. Given that all greater daemons are going to be in each faction on launch, one would imagine that each of the other factions will be led by their respective senior Greater Daemon - N'Kari for Slaanesh, Kairos Fateweaver for Tzeentch and Kugath Plaguefather for Nurgle. Not surprising, but I thought that given that Skarbrand wasn't in the original trailer with Katarin they might go with a differnent one, like Ka'Bandha.

I was wondering how they were going to fill the rosters, but it seems like they're not having too much trouble with it, and they'll be just as deep as other launch races.

ancapailldorcha · 04-06-2021 6:18pm

Well, I thought I'd try Lizardmen for the first time today. Picked Kroq-Gar and had a lot of fun before the AI sent 6 Greenskin armies at me a few dozen turns in. Eurgh.

Gbear · 15-06-2021 4:01pm

Slightly underwhelming roster reveal for Kislev today.

Only mount options are horse and bear, which all character units have.
No unique mounts for Katarin or Kostaltyn.
It's also the smallest roster on launch of any race in the game.
No bear variants in the roster, other than those pulling sleds/artillery, which is a bit surprising.

To be fair, there's going to be more races on launch than the other games, so the total number of units available will probably be similar, if not better in WH3, but it leaves Kislev (and presumably all the other races) feeling a bit anemic on launch.

ancapailldorcha · 15-06-2021 4:02pm

Was just going to post that!

I daresay there'll be DLC before too long to flesh things out.

Gbear · 15-06-2021 4:03pm

ancapailldorcha wrote: »

Was just going to post that!

I daresay there'll be DLC before too long to flesh things out.

I would imagine that Kislev and Cathay will get the first and second DLCs and FLCs respectively, probably alongside Khorne and Tzeentch.

ancapailldorcha · 15-06-2021 4:14pm

Gbear wrote: »

I would imagine that Kislev and Cathay will get the first and second DLCs and FLCs respectively, probably alongside Khorne and Tzeentch.

Oh, I don't know the lore at all. Have you preordered the game?

I was expecting the trailer for the new DLC to have dropped by now. Wonder what's going on there. Probably don't want to damage the hype over WH3.

Gbear · 15-06-2021 4:17pm

ancapailldorcha wrote: »

Oh, I don't know the lore at all. Have you preordered the game?

I was expecting the trailer for the new DLC to have dropped by now. Wonder what's going on there. Probably don't want to damage the hype over WH3.

I only know what's discussed on Reddit really, and the odd trip down the lore hole in the Warhammer Fantasy wiki. I wasn't into at all when Warhammer Fantasy was a thing.

The DLC trailer usually comes out about 2 weeks before the launch, and they've mentioned that it'd be some time early July for the full DLC trailer.

ancapailldorcha · 15-06-2021 4:18pm

Gbear wrote: »

I only know what's discussed on Reddit really, and the odd trip down the lore hole in the Warhammer Fantasy wiki. I wasn't into at all when Warhammer Fantasy was a thing.

The DLC trailer usually comes out about 2 weeks before the launch, and they've mentioned that it'd be some time early July for the full DLC trailer.

Thanks. Working from home can't be helping.

My Kroq Gar campaign is picking up at long last so I've time. Thought the trailers came out more than a fortnight before. Still, not long either way.

15-06-2021 7:31pm

ancapailldorcha wrote: »

Thanks. Working from home can't be helping.

My Kroq Gar campaign is picking up at long last so I've time. Thought the trailers came out more than a fortnight before. Still, not long either way.

The tier 4 Stegos are insanely good, just in case you haven't gotten any yet.

ancapailldorcha · 16-06-2021 10:32am

Alina Nutritious Coyote wrote: »

The tier 4 Stegos are insanely good, just in case you haven't gotten any yet.

Very true. My economy is approaching the point where I can have mixes with them and Saurus Warriors. The Greenskins just launched yet another Waagh which is a severe drain on me but I've most of their territory now along with Karaz-a-Karak. Annoying as Kroq Gar starts near so much inhospitable territory.

I'm a lot further behind at turn 150 than I'd like and I've had to resort to save-scumming which I hate but I'm getting there.

ancapailldorcha · 17-06-2021 6:22pm

Looks like the Khorne roster has been revealed:

https://www.totalwar.com/blog/total-war-warhammer-3-khorne-roster-reveal/

ancapailldorcha · 01-07-2021 12:08pm

Was watching LegendofTotalWar's stream recently and he says something big is coming. Something worth being hyped over. Hoping we get a trailer today for the DLC at least as it's out in a fortnight.

Edit: Sigh.

Potatoeman · 01-07-2021 1:16pm

Apparently you can forget about Araby. Not going to happen.

ancapailldorcha · 01-07-2021 1:18pm

Potatoeman wrote: »

Apparently you can forget about Araby. Not going to happen.

Saw that. Shame but I suppose we can't get everything.

Gbear · 01-07-2021 1:52pm

Potatoeman wrote: »

Apparently you can forget about Araby. Not going to happen.

I really do wonder what the thing is about that.

I understand there might be a sort of flandersisation issue with lampooning Arabic people - something like Command and Conquer Generals had a problem with that, where you had an Arab GLA faction that was a bunch of terrorists, who used chemical weapons and suicide bombs.

But using historical and mythical arabic units would seem to be perfectly fine. A roster of Janissaries, Mamelukes, Berber Cavalry, War Elephants, alongside Djinns, Efreets, and such would seem completely reasonable and not at all potentially problematic. As long as you're not using an analog to the prophet Mohamed or Islam, I don't see how anyone could take issue with it.

Gbear · 01-07-2021 2:04pm

Trailer at 3pm.

ancapailldorcha · 01-07-2021 2:04pm

Gbear wrote: »

I really do wonder what the thing is about that.

I understand there might be a sort of flandersisation issue with lampooning Arabic people - something like Command and Conquer Generals had a problem with that, where you had an Arab GLA faction that was a bunch of terrorists, who used chemical weapons and suicide bombs.

But using historical and mythical arabic units would seem to be perfectly fine. A roster of Janissaries, Mamelukes, Berber Cavalry, War Elephants, alongside Djinns, Efreets, and such would seem completely reasonable and not at all potentially problematic. As long as you're not using an analog to the prophet Mohamed or Islam, I don't see how anyone could take issue with it.

I doubt it's that. I think that there are factions that just aren't worth the dev time to add. Adding a new faction must be headmelting when it comes to balancing mechanics and units, not to mention adding more stuff to the campaign map.

I don't know anything about Araby but there's not much there to suggest they're terribly interesting relative to the Ogre Kingdoms, Dogs or War or possibly Nippon.

Gbear · 01-07-2021 2:09pm

ancapailldorcha wrote: »

I doubt it's that. I think that there are factions that just aren't worth the dev time to add. Adding a new faction must be headmelting when it comes to balancing mechanics and units, not to mention adding more stuff to the campaign map.

I don't know anything about Araby but there's not much there to suggest they're terribly interesting relative to the Ogre Kingdoms, Dogs or War or possibly Nippon.

I wouldn't agree with that. It's an entire different mythology and history to draw from. More interesting than the Empire or Bretonnia, certainly.

There's no upper limit on factions in the series. I'm sure they'd sell as well as anyone else.

ancapailldorcha · 01-07-2021 2:13pm

Gbear wrote: »

I wouldn't agree with that. It's an entire different mythology and history to draw from. More interesting than the Empire or Bretonnia, certainly.

There's no upper limit on factions in the series. I'm sure they'd sell as well as anyone else.

There probably is some form of limit on what they can add. The map can only get so big.

Don't get me wrong. I've these games and I've all the DLC. I may even preorder WH3 but if they've gone so far as to confirm Araby won't be appearing then I'd say that's it. I think it could have been a cool addition to have a faction based on the Arab world and I'd have paid for it as well but it is what it is.

Potatoeman · 01-07-2021 2:38pm

I think it’s more GW than CA. If it’s more trouble than it’s worth then they’ll just cut it and they don’t want the hassle, if they then have old models that need to be updated or might be considered offensive then just bury it.

ancapailldorcha · 01-07-2021 2:41pm

Potatoeman wrote: »

I think it’s more GW than CA. If it’s more trouble than it’s worth then they’ll just cut it and they don’t want the hassle, if they then have old models that need to be updated or might be considered offensive then just bury it.

I had a google and I just don't see anything that makes them more worthy of addition than several other factions we might never see. Flying carpets were the only thing that stood out. I love the aesthetic they have but they're a bit lacking elsewhere.

Potatoeman · 01-07-2021 2:49pm

ancapailldorcha wrote: »

There probably is some form of limit on what they can add. The map can only get so big.

Don't get me wrong. I've these games and I've all the DLC. I may even preorder WH3 but if they've gone so far as to confirm Araby won't be appearing then I'd say that's it. I think it could have been a cool addition to have a faction based on the Arab world and I'd have paid for it as well but it is what it is.

I’m wondering if we’ll see Albany, thought we’d already have dogs of war without Ogres. Also thought Nipon was in for sure.

Potatoeman · 01-07-2021 2:53pm

ancapailldorcha wrote: »

I had a google and I just don't see anything that makes them more worthy of addition than several other factions we might never see. Flying carpets were the only thing that stood out. I love the aesthetic they have but they're a bit lacking elsewhere.

Camel riders and Genes too. I think it’s more the aesthetic for some people.

ancapailldorcha · 01-07-2021 2:54pm

Potatoeman wrote: »

I’m wondering if we’ll see Albany, thought we’d already have dogs of war without Ogres. Also thought Nipon was in for sure.

Albany? Never heard of this faction.

Potatoeman wrote: »

Camel riders and Genes too. I think it’s more the aesthetic for some people.

Camel riders sound a bit meh but genies could be cool.

Gbear · 01-07-2021 3:05pm

Big oof from the new trailer.

Gorgons (giant four armed minortaurs), Jabberslythes (flying abominations with acid blood), Coatls (giant flying magic bird-lizards) and Troglodons (sightless acid-spitting spinosaurus') all included.

Potatoeman · 01-07-2021 3:06pm

ancapailldorcha wrote: »

Albany? Never heard of this faction.

Camel riders sound a bit meh but genies could be cool.

Albany are Celtic. There are mods already for both. One has a few like chaos dwarfs and hobbits.

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