Republic of Ireland Team Talk/News/Rumours 2018/19

Eod100 · 15-12-2018 5:21pm

johnnyryan89 wrote: »

Did Seamus Coleman pick up a knock in the Everton game? Started out as a RWB and was taken off in the 57th minute for Walcott and Everton seemed to go to a back four.

Think Browne has now got the same number of league goals as David McGoldrick and more assists. Hopefully he gets a chance under the new managment to impress.

He's on a good run of form in fairness!

OldMrBrennan83 · 15-12-2018 5:27pm

johnnyryan89 wrote: »

Did Seamus Coleman pick up a knock in the Everton game? Started out as a RWB and was taken off in the 57th minute for Walcott and Everton seemed to go to a back four.

Think Browne has now got the same number of league goals as David McGoldrick and more assists. Hopefully he gets a chance under the new managment to impress.

Coleman was hauled off after another poor showing apparently and is getting a good bit of abuse from the Everton fans again.

The Talking Bread · 15-12-2018 5:45pm

Yeah he seems to be one of the most negative source of conversation amongst the fans now but then again Everton fans can be very hard to muster a balanced opinion from since the Summer

tayto lover · 15-12-2018 5:46pm

Patww79 wrote: »

Coleman was hauled off after another poor showing apparently and is getting a good bit of abuse from the Everton fans again.

He's been poor since the injury imo.

Eod100 · 15-12-2018 5:57pm

Patww79 wrote: »

Coleman was hauled off after another poor showing apparently and is getting a good bit of abuse from the Everton fans again.

Surely Coleman himself is more frustrated than those fans? Never got that mentality tbh, when has abusing players ever resulted in turnaround in form. All over the kicking of a ball ffs.. :rolleyes:

The Talking Bread · 15-12-2018 6:07pm

Eod100 wrote: »

Surely Coleman himself is more frustrated than those fans? Never got that mentality tbh, when has abusing players ever resulted in turnaround in form. All over the kicking of a ball ffs.. :rolleyes:

I think you are taking the context of the phrase "abusing" to another level. Fans are being critical of him, same as any player when they are under performing.

These are fans that see him week in week out so there has to be a point where frustrations can lead to the odd "ffs, wake up" from the stand.

I would imagine the frustrations of a fan can't be really compared to the frustrations of a player anyway. They are different sides of the border, the whole "all over the kicking of a ball" stuff kind of diminishes the whole concept of what a fan's role is anyway,

Eod100 · 15-12-2018 6:17pm

The Talking Bread wrote: »

I think you are taking the context of the phrase "abusing" to another level. Fans are being critical of him, same as any player when they are under performing.

These are fans that see him week in week out so there has to be a point where frustrations can lead to the odd "ffs, wake up" from the stand.

I would imagine the frustrations of a fan can't be really compared to the frustrations of a player anyway. They are different sides of the border, the whole "all over the kicking of a ball" stuff kind of diminishes the whole concept of what a fan's role is anyway,

Wasn't watching it so dunno what abuse was but I would have thought it was more than ''ffs, wake up'' if it merited comment to be fair. Not wanting to get into a whole thing over it tbh so will leave it there

The Talking Bread · 15-12-2018 6:30pm

Eod100 wrote: »

Wasn't watching it so dunno what abuse was but I would have thought it was more than ''ffs, wake up'' if it merited comment to be fair. Not wanting to get into a whole thing over it tbh so will leave it there

People are talking about social media response here, twitter, fan forums.............. I don't think any poster was there at the match to witness any significant verbal abuse!

It is a respectful criticism. Coleman is a modern day legend at Everton at this stage so he must be really underperforming if there is this general unanimous verdict that he needs to be replaced or at least not play as frequent.

I am not sure what sort of abuse you are contemplating is being aimed at him.

wadacrack · 15-12-2018 9:28pm

Coleman has been very very poor since his return for Everton. Will probably be out of the team soon. He cant cope with the best wingers 1 on 1 and not offering much going forward. Seems to have lost a yard of pace was never technically that gifted. Hopefully he can improve

OldMrBrennan83 · 15-12-2018 9:29pm

Could just unfortunately be a case of never coming back right from that injury.

TheCitizen · 16-12-2018 10:38am

Coleman should’ve left Everton years ago when he was linked with moves to other clubs. He should have got his agent to get him a move. That’s what he gets for being “loyal” to Everton.

Salmon · 16-12-2018 2:16pm

TheCitizen wrote: »

Coleman should’ve left Everton years ago when he was linked with moves to other clubs. He should have got his agent to get him a move. That’s what he gets for being “loyal” to Everton.

Everton offered him a big contract extension whilst his leg was in sh1te. I think his loyalty to the club has been reciprocated!

TheCitizen · 18-12-2018 10:34pm

Salmon wrote: »

Everton offered him a big contract extension whilst his leg was in sh1te. I think his loyalty to the club has been reciprocated!

Some of their fans turning on him now. He should have left them years ago.

The Talking Bread · 19-12-2018 10:44pm

I see the Under 19 keeper, Mark Travers was on the bench again for Bournemouth against Chelsea

Mantis Toboggan · 19-12-2018 10:53pm

Darryl Horgan has had a fall from grace, not long ago he was tearing up the loi, people were screaming for him in the international setup, finally gets a big move to the UK and capped for his country. Started off brightly at Preston, scoring and playing regularly. Now he's on loan at Hibs and struggling to get into the side. Another couple of years he could find himself back in the LOI.

sacamano · 19-12-2018 11:01pm

Not totally on topic but Jonny Williams had a good, brief word to say about McCarthy in that Sunderland doc. Basically that McCarthy and Coleman were the only ones who made him feel unafraid on the pitch. I've had little interest in the national team over the past ten years but nice to see him back at the helm. Always had him down as one of the good ones in the game.

The Talking Bread · 19-12-2018 11:02pm

Mantis Toboggan wrote: »

Darryl Horgan has had a fall from grace, not long ago he was tearing up the loi, people were screaming for him in the international setup, finally gets a big move to the UK and capped for his country. Started off brightly at Preston, scoring and playing regularly. Now he's on loan at Hibs and struggling to get into the side. Another couple of years he could find himself back in the LOI.

He plays week in, week out ? I think he has played more minutes than majority of players in the Hibs first team squad?

I wouldn't say he has had any fall from grace. And he only scored a couple of goals for Preston also.

Apparently he was brilliant against Celtic when they beat them at the weekend

He is doing grand.

johnnyryan89 · 19-12-2018 11:27pm

The Talking Bread wrote: »

He plays week in, week out ? I think he has played more minutes than majority of players in the Hibs first team squad?

I wouldn't say he has had any fall from grace. And he only scored a couple of goals for Preston also.

Apparently he was brilliant against Celtic when they beat them at the weekend

He is doing grand.

Yep had a great game against Celtic. He's started 11 of the 17 games, came on as a sub in 5 games and didn't play in the away game against Hearts, think he's played more centrally in a few games also this season.

simongurnick · 21-12-2018 1:04am

Story on the indo website that Rice is back in the fold. Personally I would have told him to take a hike, but it is a big coup for Mick if true.

Stevecw · 21-12-2018 1:05am

https://www.independent.ie/sport/soccer/international-soccer/fai-confident-following-talks-between-declan-rice-and-mick-mccarthy-37646718.html

Headline got my attention, as I thought there was some major breakthrough. But reading the article, nothing much has changed at all!

21-12-2018 9:28am

Apparently McCarthy also tracking Bamford, who scored the winner for Leeds with his first touch last weekend.

If Bamford and Rice came in, while I can't pretend I'll ever have posters of either on my wall given their commitment issues, it would further dispel the stink of failure, doom and gloom over the last 2 years of O'Neill and Keane's tenure.

Adamocovic · 21-12-2018 10:28am

I'm extremely late to this as been away from the thread but Jack Byrne has left Kilmarnock and joined Shamrock Rovers.

I'm a broken record but hopefully he can turn his career back around. It's been a steady decline after breaking into the scene. He's been struggling for playing time and took the decision to move back to Ireland.

Still only 22 and you would hope that regular football (if he can earn his spot) will only serve him well and kick him on a bit. Such a talented player and I thought it was going to go differently for him. Think more Irish youngsters who have struggled in Britain are looking towards returning home and rebuilding their careers.

weldoninhio · 21-12-2018 11:22am

Deleted User wrote: »

Apparently McCarthy also tracking Bamford, who scored the winner for Leeds with his first touch last weekend.

If Bamford and Rice came in, while I can't pretend I'll ever have posters of either on my wall given their commitment issues, it would further dispel the stink of failure, doom and gloom over the last 2 years of O'Neill and Keane's tenure.

It would further show how poisonous the atmosphere around the squad was under O'Neill and Keane. Wonder if Liam Kelly might consider coming back

pgj2015 · 21-12-2018 12:42pm

I wouldnt bother with bamford, his first choice is to play for england plus his goal scoring record is bad and thats in the championship so he would probably never score at international level.

Brock Turnpike · 21-12-2018 2:18pm

pgj2015 wrote: »

I wouldnt bother with bamford, his first choice is to play for england plus his goal scoring record is bad and thats in the championship so he would probably never score at international level.

Exactly. It's not as if David Healy had a bad record at club level yet still managed to bang in goals at international level. Oh wait...

21-12-2018 2:49pm

pgj2015 wrote: »

I wouldnt bother with bamford, his first choice is to play for england plus his goal scoring record is bad and thats in the championship so he would probably never score at international level.

He was Championship Player of the Year in 2015, he was also nominated for young player but Dele Alli won.

I agree about his first choice so wouldn't go begging him to play for us. He made his decision.

brilou23 · 21-12-2018 3:10pm

pgj2015 wrote: »

I wouldnt bother with bamford, his first choice is to play for england plus his goal scoring record is bad and thats in the championship so he would probably never score at international level.

I’m a middlesboro fan and the fans where gutted he was sold he nearly single handled drag boot up the table last year. I would love see him in a Ireland shirt

Ferris_Bueller · 21-12-2018 4:01pm

I would welcome Bamford into the fold if he wanted to play for us, seems to be something different to the usual types of strikers we have available and could very well be playing PL football next season if Leeds keep going strong.

Tchaikovsky · 21-12-2018 4:27pm

He's a bit of a Dave Kitson or Connor Wickham - harbouring an England call-up but slowly dawning on him that he's a Championship-level striker

pjohnson · 21-12-2018 6:26pm

weldoninhio wrote: »

It would further show how poisonous the atmosphere around the squad was under O'Neill and Keane. Wonder if Liam Kelly might consider coming back

Anyone who was dense enough to think Roy and Martin were going to be in charge for their whole career shouldn't be called up.

21-12-2018 6:39pm

pjohnson wrote: »

Anyone who was dense enough to think Roy and Martin were going to be in charge for their whole career shouldn't be called up.

I suspect footballers have an idea that managers don't stay forever.

But they might stay long enough to seriously harm a career. How many caps did Wes Hoolahan get in his prime under the last regime? How did Andy Reid fare? Not that either had choices...but the English born players do.

pjohnson · 21-12-2018 7:07pm

[Deleted User] wrote: »

I suspect footballers have an idea that managers don't stay forever.

But they might stay long enough to seriously harm a career. How many caps did Wes Hoolahan get in his prime under the last regime? How did Andy Reid fare? Not that either had choices...but the English born players do.

If you believe you are Irish (being happy to wear the jersey) then how wcould you decide to play for England? You cant have really thought yourself Irish in the first place. This isn't club football where you can transfer around to your hearts content.
Any of them could have just dismissed the England links straight away.

Corholio · 21-12-2018 7:53pm

Reports that Rice is to 'imminently' declare for Ireland. This seems a bit more forward than the other article.

https://www.irishtimes.com/sport/soccer/english-soccer/declan-rice-set-to-commit-to-ireland-1.3739529?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter

ERG89 · 21-12-2018 8:07pm

The English FA made an approach and Rice is reported to have travelled to St George’s Park where a presentation was made on the opportunities that might be open to him in the country’s international set up over the coming years.

I'm imagining a Microsoft PowerPoint presentation or am I taking this up wrong

polarbearhead · 21-12-2018 8:11pm

People should cut him some slack. He’s potentially turning his back on one of the most promising England team in years to play for us. He’s 19 and got his head turned by his agent and Gareth Southgate. I say get over it

Agent Coulson · 21-12-2018 8:17pm

If Mick gets him to declare for Ireland he deserves a contract extension.

AGC · 21-12-2018 8:20pm

polarbearhead wrote: »

People should cut him some slack. He’s potentially turning his back on one of the most promising England team in years to play for us. He’s 19 and got his head turned by his agent and Gareth Southgate. I say get over it

100%

A stupid rule in the first place and a young lad looking to get a new deal at West Ham where his agent would certainly have been in his ear about more money if playing for England.

I just hope the FAI haven't jumped the gun in releasing any information but fair play to FAI, McCarthy or whoever it was that showed him the best move is to stay with us.

He will be an excellent addition for the qualifiers and a likely future captain.

henke · 21-12-2018 9:12pm

I think if he declares for us it is a big positive. Agree he should be cut some slack. Also, this guy has the potential to be good enough for England's squad so it's not a case of a B team England player electing to join Ireland as a fallback.

Duff · 21-12-2018 9:18pm

Excellent news if true, and fair play to McCarthy if he comes through. I was in the "He can fùck off if he thinks he can come back" camp, but the more I think about it, he's still pretty much a kid at 19. When I was 19, I was still sticking crayons up my nose ffs.

henke · 21-12-2018 9:27pm

Duff wrote: »

Excellent news if true, and fair play to McCarthy if he comes through. I was in the "He can fùck off if he thinks he can come back" camp, but the more I think about it, he's still pretty much a kid at 19. When I was 19, I was still sticking crayons up my nose ffs.

I'd say a lot were like that but in fairness as you say he is 19 and born and raised in London. His mates would all be English. He was approached by the English FA. If he declares we are fortunate he was raised with a strong enough influence of his Irish heritage that he would prefer to play for us.

CantGetNoSleep · 21-12-2018 10:51pm

Duff wrote: »

Excellent news if true, and fair play to McCarthy if he comes through. I was in the "He can fùck off if he thinks he can come back" camp, but the more I think about it, he's still pretty much a kid at 19. When I was 19, I was still sticking crayons up my nose ffs.

I was sticking them up my arse

FLOOPER · 21-12-2018 10:54pm

Great news if it happens.

Would you take Grealish back if it happened.

Hasn’t played for E Senior team yet so not impossible.

CantGetNoSleep · 21-12-2018 10:56pm

FLOOPER wrote: »

Great news if it happens.

Would you take Grealish back if it happened.

Hasn’t played for E Senior team yet so not impossible.

Don't think it is possible once you change once but open to correction.

But no - I wouldn't

OldMrBrennan83 · 21-12-2018 10:57pm

I'll believe this when I see or hear quotes from him. Seems to be a lot of jumping the gun.

Christy Browne · 21-12-2018 11:01pm

FLOOPER wrote: »

Great news if it happens.

Would you take Grealish back if it happened.

Hasn’t played for E Senior team yet so not impossible.

Not possible - you can only switch once

topmanamillion · 21-12-2018 11:09pm

Tchaikovsky wrote: »

He's a bit of a Dave Kitson or Connor Wickham - harbouring an England call-up but slowly dawning on him that he's a Championship-level striker

I always find this type of logic funny. An Englishman with an obscure ancestral link to Ireland isn't good enough for England so he automatically must want an Ireland cap and should be grateful for it. In Wickham's case his link is Northern Ireland so it actually requires two controversial leaps - Granny rule and robbing a player from the Nordies.
I applaud the Mark Noble`s of the world who give us a straight no. There`s decency in being honest.

Faugheen · 22-12-2018 1:19am

polarbearhead wrote: »

People should cut him some slack. He’s potentially turning his back on one of the most promising England team in years to play for us. He’s 19 and got his head turned by his agent and Gareth Southgate. I say get over it

You think it was just his agent and Southgate?

I wouldn't be at all surprised if David Gold himself threatened to not pay him if he didn't declare for England. Gold said he saw Rice as the next Bobby Moore and he would absolutely have the grapefruits to pull a stunt like this.

Between his agent, Southgate, Gold, O'Neill, Keane, his father, Pellegrini, West Ham team-mates, Ireland team-mates, potential England team-mates, someone like Lee Carsley and I'm sure there's plenty more where that came from all putting pressure on him, I don't blame him for stepping away to think about it.

There was an interview in the Times a few weeks ago, where he said any speculation about him picking England was completely untrue, which says to me that he genuinely had to step away and that it's weighing up on his mind more than the average Joe thinks it is.

If he comes back, then I for one will welcome him back with open arms. I hope the 'best fans in the world' do so as well.

Kermit.de.frog · 22-12-2018 3:47am

Duff wrote: »

Excellent news if true, and fair play to McCarthy if he comes through. I was in the "He can fùck off if he thinks he can come back" camp, but the more I think about it, he's still pretty much a kid at 19. When I was 19, I was still sticking crayons up my nose ffs.

Or maybe your actually in the "fúck it, we bloody well need the best we can get" camp

OldMrBrennan83 · 22-12-2018 3:35pm

Alan Browne has been dropped, he'd been doing well too.

noodler · 22-12-2018 3:40pm

Patww79 wrote: »

Alan Browne has been dropped, he'd been doing well too.

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