Facebook Bans Free Speech

Count Down · 13-10-2020 9:59am #1

Mark Zuckerberg has banned all posts on Facebook which deny that the Holocaust ever took place.
This action is tantamount to saying "Shut up, your opinion doesn't count, we're not going to listen to you, or give you the chance to express an opinion, you bigoted scum. The Holocaust happened, as the Official History states, so believe it."
Holocaust deniers/doubters have been a thorn in the side of Holocaust believers for a while now. Just what does Zuckerberg and his kind fear from these people? That they might find an uncomfortable truth?

gmisk · 13-10-2020 10:00am

Maybe take this type of twaddle to the conspiracy theory threads.
Are you a holocaust denier yourself?

dan1895 · 13-10-2020 10:03am

Count Down wrote: »

Mark Zuckerberg has banned all posts on Facebook which deny that the Holocaust ever took place.
This action is tantamount to saying "Shut up, your opinion doesn't count, we're not going to listen to you, or give you the chance to express an opinion, you bigoted scum. The Holocaust happened, as the Official History states, so believe it."
Holocaust deniers/doubters have been a thorn in the side of Holocaust believers for a while now. Just what does Zuckerberg and his kind fear from these people? That they might find an uncomfortable truth?

I hope denying the Holocaust is banned on Boards too. Post reported.

Count Down · 13-10-2020 10:07am

Not a denier, more of a doubter.
I believe that the Holocaust happened, but not to the extent of 6000,000 deaths.
Facebook shouldn't have had to take this drastic action.

13-10-2020 10:08am

Holocaust deniers are human filth, a waste of space, oxygen and food. People who think the holocaust can be denied, the pure evil that happened downplayed or in worst cases was justified, deserve to be banned from social media platforms and thereafter should be prosecuted effectively and given ‘harsh’ prison sentences.

I can’t stand Zuckerberg and Facebook generally speaking but he’s absolutely right here. There’s nothing to be debated here. It’s their platform and if they see fit to do the right thing, that should be applauded. You have no right to free speech via a corporates technology platform.

OP, if you believe otherwise and think the Holocaust deniers have an argument to be made, they’ll have to make it in person and in public. We’ll see how long it takes for the law or actions of the public to show them the consequences of exercising their ‘right’ to free speech.

Smee_Again · 13-10-2020 10:09am

That the holocaust happened is a fact which means that denying it isn't opinion, its a falsehood.

Besides, free speech doesn't apply to facebook in the way you think it does.

gimli2112 · 13-10-2020 10:09am

I just assumed that holocost deniers are from the same kind of sub-set as flat earthers and no rational person pays any attention to them.

dublinstudent. · 13-10-2020 10:09am

Count Down wrote: »

Mark Zuckerberg has banned all posts on Facebook which deny that the Holocaust ever took place.
This action is tantamount to saying "Shut up, your opinion doesn't count, we're not going to listen to you, or give you the chance to express an opinion, you bigoted scum. The Holocaust happened, as the Official History states, so believe it."
Holocaust deniers/doubters have been a thorn in the side of Holocaust believers for a while now. Just what does Zuckerberg and his kind fear from these people? That they might find an uncomfortable truth?

gmisk wrote: »

Maybe take this type of twaddle to the conspiracy theory threads.
Are you a holocaust denier yourself?

Count Down wrote: »

Not a denier, more of a doubter.
I believe that the Holocaust happened, but not to the extent of 6000,000 deaths.
Facebook shouldn't have had to take this drastic action.

I have been to the death camps. This crap you are coming out with, is offensive and downright disgraceful. Hopefully, as others here have mentioned, the admin will remove you. And I aint a fan of Zuckerberg

banie01 · 13-10-2020 10:10am

An uncomfortable truth?
You trying to allude to something there?

Facebook is not a free speech site, nor as a matter of interest is boards.
Holocaust denial is frankly abhorrent and that it is a hill you wish to stake a claim to "free speech" on?
Says far more about you, than Zuckerberg!
As does your particular use of numbers.

Count Down · 13-10-2020 10:22am

dublinstudent. wrote: »

I have been to the death camps. This crap you are coming out with, is offensive and downright disgraceful. Hopefully, as others here have mentioned, the admin will remove you. And I aint a fan of Zuckerberg

The point I'm making is that Zuckerberg banning Holocaust denial makes him look like a petulant dictator.

Smee_Again · 13-10-2020 10:30am

Count Down wrote: »

The point I'm making is that Zuckerberg banning Holocaust denial makes him look like a petulant dictator.

No, it really doesn't. Thinking that it does makes you something though.

ancapailldorcha · 13-10-2020 10:36am

Count Down wrote: »

Mark Zuckerberg has banned all posts on Facebook which deny that the Holocaust ever took place.
This action is tantamount to saying "Shut up, your opinion doesn't count, we're not going to listen to you, or give you the chance to express an opinion, you bigoted scum. The Holocaust happened, as the Official History states, so believe it."
Holocaust deniers/doubters have been a thorn in the side of Holocaust believers for a while now. Just what does Zuckerberg and his kind fear from these people? That they might find an uncomfortable truth?

It's a private platform. He can host whatever he wants.

Holocaust deniers are subhuman scum. I've been to Auschwitz. That the cultural tumours are wailing and moaning because someone is standing up to them is long, long overdue.

gmisk · 13-10-2020 10:40am

Count Down wrote: »

The point I'm making is that Zuckerberg banning Holocaust denial makes him look like a petulant dictator.

No it doesn't.
He doesn't have to give absolute looney bins a platform it's as simple as that. Same when it comes other groups of loopers.

"Holocaust doubter"... FFS...

You should maybe visit Auschwitz/Birkenau it might give you an idea of the scale and horror of the holocaust.
If the reality of it all isn't palatable for some reason...the topography of terror in Berlin is extremely factual and might wise you up a bit.

GhostyMcGhost · 13-10-2020 10:40am

Free speech means you can stand in the middle of O’Connell Street and spout all you want with a megaphone, I can’t stop you (can choose to ignore you).

But free speech does not mean that you can use ANY other platform to shout about what you believe in, rightly or wrongly

By your logic on Facebook, is it then a “free speech” issue that you can’t go on RTE and say whatever you want about the Holocaust? Didn’t think so

Juza1973 · 13-10-2020 10:43am

I left Facebook years ago and never looked back.

gimli2112 · 13-10-2020 10:44am

this has prompted me to do some research, Holocost Denial is apparently illegal in many European states and there is provision in EU law for prosecution.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Legality_of_Holocaust_denial

Sleeper12 · 13-10-2020 10:55am

I don't see them shutting free speech. Everyone is entitled to their opinion BUT there is a responsibility on all social media sites to weed out blatant lies. They shouldn't allow posts stating
blatant & disrespectful lies as facts.

There are posters here on boards stating that Covid-19 isn't real. This is very difficult on readers who have watched family members die from the virus.

Tacitus Kilgore · 13-10-2020 11:04am

"Holocaust doubter" :rolleyes:

Go **** yourself.

If you don't like facebook, maybe join twitter, and follow this page for a while with your "doubts"

https://twitter.com/AuschwitzMuseum

Count Down · 13-10-2020 1:43pm

Tacitus Kilgore wrote: »

"Holocaust doubter" :rolleyes:

Go **** yourself.

If you don't like facebook, maybe join twitter, and follow this page for a while with your "doubts"

https://twitter.com/AuschwitzMuseum

Charming.
Back in the day, we used to line up 4 or 5 of your sort, make them drop their britches and bend over, then use them as a toast rack.
Sadly, there's seems to be a law against it nowadays.

brightspark · 13-10-2020 2:01pm

You can't have an opinion on facts.

I can say the weather is too warm or too cold that is subjective and only my opinion.

However I can't say it's night-time in Dublin while looking at the sun shining in Dublin, even if I choose to go into a darkened room it still doesn't change the fact, and if I was to claim that being in a dark room room meant it was night time it would only be demonstrating my ignorance of the fact.

The Holocaust happened, there is plenty of evidence, denying it only demonstrates your ignorance.

gmisk · 13-10-2020 2:44pm

Count Down wrote: »

Charming.
Back in the day, we used to line up 4 or 5 of your sort, make them drop their britches and bend over, then use them as a toast rack.
Sadly, there's seems to be a law against it nowadays.

#old man yells at cloud#
I don't think there is a law against using someone's ass as a toast rack seemingly.....sure whatever floats your boat

Count Down · 13-10-2020 3:06pm

brightspark wrote: »

You can't have an opinion on facts.

I can say the weather is too warm or too cold that is subjective and only my opinion.

However I can't say it's night-time in Dublin while looking at the sun shining in Dublin, even if I choose to go into a darkened room it still doesn't change the fact, and if I was to claim that being in a dark room room meant it was night time it would only be demonstrating my ignorance of the fact.

The Holocaust happened, there is plenty of evidence, denying it only demonstrates your ignorance.

Of course you can have an opinion on facts.
I believe that the Holocaust happened, that it is a fact. My opinion of that fact is that it occurred on a lesser scale.
Accepting 'facts' without question breeds ignorance and can lead to intolerance of other people's opinions.

ancapailldorcha · 13-10-2020 3:10pm

Count Down wrote: »

Of course you can have an opinion on facts.
I believe that the Holocaust happened, that it is a fact. My opinion of that fact is that it occurred on a lesser scale.
Accepting 'facts' without question breeds ignorance and can lead to intolerance of other people's opinions.

What evidence do you have?

CalamariFritti · 13-10-2020 3:16pm

Count Down wrote: »

Mark Zuckerberg has banned all posts on Facebook which deny that the Holocaust ever took place.
This action is tantamount to saying "Shut up, your opinion doesn't count, we're not going to listen to you, or give you the chance to express an opinion, you bigoted scum. The Holocaust happened, as the Official History states, so believe it."
Holocaust deniers/doubters have been a thorn in the side of Holocaust believers for a while now. Just what does Zuckerberg and his kind fear from these people? That they might find an uncomfortable truth?

I've been to Sachsenhausen and I also spoke to my Grandma. She was a nazi but she didnt agree with the treatment of the jews. Neither here nor there, she knew it was happening. The Holocaust did happen. You may want to say it didn't but why escapes me. I cant see any decent motives behind it quite the opposite. Thats me being polite.

Do I agree with that 'opinion' being censored? Tbh probably not. Because of free speech and because it will only make the believers believe it even more. But its facebook. They simply decide not to give you a platform. Why would they? The name Zuckerberg suggests jewish ancestry. He'd be mad to allow it.

Count Down · 13-10-2020 3:18pm

ancapailldorcha wrote: »

What evidence do you have?[/QUOTE

Without getting too technical and going too off-topic, the logistics of exterminating 6000,000 Jews and disposing of their bodies without trace is difficult to explain logically. In my opinion the figure is about half that total, or even less.

ancapailldorcha · 13-10-2020 3:19pm

Count Down wrote: »

Without getting too technical and going too off-topic, the logistics of exterminating 6000,000 Jews and disposing of their bodies without trace is difficult to explain logically. In my opinion the figure is about half that total, or even less.

So none.

Count Down · 13-10-2020 3:19pm

CalamariFritti wrote: »

I've been to Sachsenhausen and I also spoke to my Grandma. She was a nazi but she didnt agree with the treatment of the jews. Neither here nor there, she knew it was happening. The Holocaust did happen. You may want to say it didn't but why escapes me. I cant see any decent motives behind it quite the opposite. Thats me being polite.

I never said it didn't happen.

afatbollix · 13-10-2020 3:20pm

For too long people's opinion has been stated as facts on the internet.

We now have a huge group of people who think the earth is flat for example.

Before the internet these people would of been ignored and they wouldn't get heard by many people.

I'm not sure why these opinions have huge followings these days.

I grew up knowing everything on the internet could be a lie but it seems that in the past few years with some people taking to social media they have decided that every bit of opinion is a fact. Unfortunally we have to think of these gullible people on the internet these days.

CalamariFritti · 13-10-2020 3:22pm

Count Down wrote: »

I never said it didn't happen.

Fair enough and yes 6 million people is probably an estimate to some degree. However, even if it was half that it wouldnt make it less monstrous.

Hector Savage · 13-10-2020 3:23pm

JayZeus wrote: »

Holocaust deniers are human filth, a waste of space, oxygen and food. People who think the holocaust can be denied, the pure evil that happened downplayed or in worst cases was justified, deserve to be banned from social media platforms and thereafter should be prosecuted effectively and given ‘harsh’ prison sentences.

I can’t stand Zuckerberg and Facebook generally speaking but he’s absolutely right here. There’s nothing to be debated here. It’s their platform and if they see fit to do the right thing, that should be applauded. You have no right to free speech via a corporates technology platform.

OP, if you believe otherwise and think the Holocaust deniers have an argument to be made, they’ll have to make it in person and in public. We’ll see how long it takes for the law or actions of the public to show them the consequences of exercising their ‘right’ to free speech.

I disagree, let them speak and their bull**** be torn apart by debate and reason.

Banning them gives them some sort of cult status.

And prison ? for an opinion ? - a nasty one at that, but you are going down a dangerous road when you want to imprison people for opinions - good or bad.

Should we imprison flat-earthers and creationists ?

daheff · 13-10-2020 3:28pm

Hector Savage wrote: »

I
Should we imprison flat-earthers

YES

Hector Savage · 13-10-2020 3:29pm

Tacitus Kilgore wrote: »

"Holocaust doubter" :rolleyes:

Go **** yourself.

If you don't like facebook, maybe join twitter, and follow this page for a while with your "doubts"

https://twitter.com/AuschwitzMuseum

This is a good point, now if boards had taken the Zuckerberg option and banned the OP and closed the thread, he wouldn't see this, this could change his mind,
or it may not (probably won't)

BUT people reading the thread can see the proof of him being proved wrong, people need to be proved wrong.

Hector Savage · 13-10-2020 3:30pm

daheff wrote: »

YES

I hope you're joking...

daheff · 13-10-2020 3:32pm

Hector Savage wrote: »

I hope you're joking...

I hope you're joking!

drogon. · 13-10-2020 3:33pm

Facebook is not a public forum. It is owned by shareholders, they have every right to impose rules to curb nonsense from people who don’t believe the holocaust ever happened or whatever the extent you claim it didn’t happen to.

If you strongly believe it, fair enough. Just start your own site and post away!

Don’t use Facebook, google or Twitter and don’t whinge your rights are being taken away, they own the site and can dictate what content can be posted on it.

ArthurG · 13-10-2020 3:35pm

Based on some of the OPs more colourful posts, I suggest resisting the temptation to further respond.....

excludedbin · 13-10-2020 3:38pm

Hector Savage wrote: »

I disagree, let them speak and their bull**** be torn apart by debate and reason.

But, as this site so well demonstrates, no amount of reason will sway the true believers and the gullible. Especially when it comes to conspiracy theories, their nature precludes their believers ever accepting evidence that contradicts them. Allowing these people to spread their ****e is what perpetuates it because, as the old saying goes, "it's easier to fool a man than convince him he's been fooled".

There is literally nothing to be gained by "debating" the factual existence of one of the most well documented events in history. And the law in Germany concerning holocaust denial is both a recognition of that and the dangers in allowing people to deny the horror and brutality that really was meted out.

Hector Savage · 13-10-2020 3:45pm

daheff wrote: »

I hope you're joking!

I hope you're joking that you think I'm joking!

quokula · 13-10-2020 3:46pm

I can understand how people fall for a lot of conspiracy theories. There's usually financial motivation somewhere, for example fossil fuel companies paying to spread doubt about climate change because they profit from that ignorance. Or people inventing issues so they can sell their snake oil or profit in some way, like Andrew Wakefield who took money in order to fabricate a link between vaccines and autism to help a litigation case, which then got lapped up by people who just don't understand science. Or sometimes it's just people wanting to believe simple, comforting lies over complex, harsh truths, like Covid denialism.

But I don't understand why people choose to deny the holocaust. Why? What is the purpose of choosing to ignore all the evidence? Who benefits from this? What other historical events do people choose to deny in this way?

Libski · 13-10-2020 3:50pm

Count Down wrote: »

Mark Zuckerberg has banned all posts on Facebook which deny that the Holocaust ever took place.
This action is tantamount to saying "Shut up, your opinion doesn't count, we're not going to listen to you, or give you the chance to express an opinion, you bigoted scum. The Holocaust happened, as the Official History states, so believe it."
Holocaust deniers/doubters have been a thorn in the side of Holocaust believers for a while now. Just what does Zuckerberg and his kind fear from these people? That they might find an uncomfortable truth?

What's wrong with banning posts that are lies?

Hector Savage · 13-10-2020 3:50pm

excludedbin wrote: »

But, as this site so well demonstrates, no amount of reason will sway the true believers and the gullible. Especially when it comes to conspiracy theories, their nature precludes their believers ever accepting evidence that contradicts them. Allowing these people to spread their ****e is what perpetuates it because, as the old saying goes, "it's easier to fool a man than convince him he's been fooled".

There is literally nothing to be gained by "debating" the factual existence of one of the most well documented events in history. And the law in Germany concerning holocaust denial is both a recognition of that and the dangers in allowing people to deny the horror and brutality that really was meted out.

Well then you could use that argument against flat earthers ! - they will never be convinced , who will be convinced however will be people on the fence - and before you say there's not much people on the fence on this, think of some kid in school, if someone tells him that this is exaggerated it's not his fault if he believes him, seeing the above tho should convince him straight, as well as history books/lessons etc..

Libski · 13-10-2020 3:51pm

Count Down wrote: »

Not a denier, more of a doubter.
I believe that the Holocaust happened, but not to the extent of 6000,000 deaths.
Facebook shouldn't have had to take this drastic action.

6 million you wally.

Libski · 13-10-2020 3:53pm

Count Down wrote: »

The point I'm making is that Zuckerberg banning Holocaust denial makes him look like a petulant dictator.

He doesn't govern a country - he owns a private company that is free to do as they wish.

Libski · 13-10-2020 3:55pm

Count Down wrote: »

ancapailldorcha wrote: »

What evidence do you have?[/QUOTE

Without getting too technical and going too off-topic, the logistics of exterminating 6000,000 Jews and disposing of their bodies without trace is difficult to explain logically. In my opinion the figure is about half that total, or even less.

You can't understand how something happened therefore it didn't happen - got it.

13-10-2020 3:58pm

This has to be a troll thread right?

Why someone would want to troll about the Holocaust I don't know but it's pretty disgusting.

Libski · 13-10-2020 4:00pm

Kailani Thankful Tomahawk wrote: »

This has to be a troll thread right?

Why someone would want to troll about the Holocaust I don't know but it's pretty disgusting.

Agreed.

Mullaghteelin · 13-10-2020 4:07pm

Facebook, Youtube and Twitter have been censoring anything about Covid that doesn't fit the WHO narrative. Even elected officials and medical scientists have been silenced if anything they say contradicts the WHO.
Surely this is more worthy of discussion than denying holocaust deniers a voice.

Libski · 13-10-2020 4:21pm

Mullaghteelin wrote: »

Facebook, Youtube and Twitter have been censoring anything about Covid that doesn't fit the WHO narrative. Even elected officials and medical scientists have been silenced if anything they say contradicts the WHO.
Surely this is more worthy of discussion than denying holocaust deniers a voice.

Do you have examples?

silvervixen84 · 13-10-2020 6:27pm

Mod: Infractions given. Threads like this are not welcome here.

Thread closed.

Facebook Bans Free Speech

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