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21-12-2018, 12:22   #61
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I don't agree with misgendering people who want to be called a certain pronoun; but yes, by definition these people would get to decide what pronoun to use - it's freedom of speech, a central pillar of liberalism, which you appear to be somewhat confused on the definition of.
Disrespect is not a central pillar of liberalism.
No matter how anyone wants to dress it up as "freedom of speech" - by that token we all have a right under "freedom of speech" to refer to anyone in any terms we like regardless of how offensive this might be.
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21-12-2018, 12:25   #62
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‘Wtf? Why dont these supposed liberals agree with my intolerant worldviews! Dont they see their hypocrisy in preaching interdependence while silencing me, someone who espouses tribalism? Im literally being oppressed cause they dont agree with me. HEEEELP’

Why are ‘conservatives’ actually just manchildren with persecution complexes?
I think you've just proved the OP's point.
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21-12-2018, 12:28   #63
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I think you've just proved the OP's point.
Mate no ones beheading conservatives for speaking out their opinions
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Lol, well why are you concerned about my post-break up issues ?

I never would have thought you thought I'd want to talk to you about my post break up "issues"

Thanks for your contradictory support
Got a memo from Lefty HQ that we have to show support.
That's as good as I get.
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Disrespect is not a central pillar of liberalism.
No matter how anyone wants to dress it up as "freedom of speech" - by that token we all have a right under "freedom of speech" to refer to anyone in any terms we like regardless of how offensive this might be.
Yep...that's what freedom of speech is - just because we have the right to be as offensive as we want doesn't require that the right be exercised in that manner.
In fact, it's a good way of separating the arseholes from good people.
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21-12-2018, 12:36   #66
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Mate no ones beheading conservatives for speaking out their opinions
I didn't see the word "beheading" in the OP. What I did see was " intolerant of those who dont share their own world outlook. " to which your follow-up was a dismissive, ad-hominem hand-wave, instead of actually engaging in an actual discussion. Granted, this doesn't do anything to actually interfere with his freedom of speech, but it does fit the lazy habit of mocking, insulting or demonising that has unfortunately become of feature of "contributions" by the hard-of-thinking on both sides of the divide, and consequently leads to posts like the OPs.
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Got a memo from Lefty HQ that we have to show support.
That's as good as I get.
Ahhh hon, I appreciate it...

Tell them all in lefties hq I'm on the dark side still
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21-12-2018, 12:39   #68
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On a serious note, Popper's paradox of tolerance is always worthy of consideration:

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Less well known is the paradox of tolerance: Unlimited tolerance must lead to the disappearance of tolerance. If we extend unlimited tolerance even to those who are intolerant, if we are not prepared to defend a tolerant society against the onslaught of the intolerant, then the tolerant will be destroyed, and tolerance with them.
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21-12-2018, 12:40   #69
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There is no freedom of speech in Ireland.
There is. But people are also free to challenge your views. If what you are saying is broadly accepted, then more will support your argument than are against it.

I'm sick of hearing that the 'liberal media' have an agenda. The media most often seems to be owned by individuals who could hardly be considered as liberals. Rupert Murdoch, Denis O'Brien etc.
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There seems to be a trend of those who claim to be liberal but are completely intolerant of those who dont share their own world outlook. They are liberal as long as you agree with them but if anyone so much as strays from their own group think they are attacked, slandered and censored. Why are so many self proclaimed liberals in favour of tighter censorship laws and clamping down on freedom of speech, which is an essence of a true liberal society. Surely being liberal means supporting free speech whether you agree with it or not. The fact is liberalism is about supporting free speech and expression and opposing censorship which is the exact opposite to what so many who claim to be on the liberal spectrum have proposed. It seems liberalism has been hijacked by SJWs and college students, in favour of identity politics which is anything but liberal. Its time real liberals stood up and defended the true liberal values of freedom of speech and democracy.
I agree, and this came to mind recently when I watched an interview of the extremely conservative and Catholic Jacob Rees-Morg who was grilled about his views of gay marriage and abortion. The seemingly "liberal" interviewers had very little patience for his personal views, eventhough he said he very openly tolerated others having abortions or gay relationships. At the end he made the good point that conservatives tend to be a lot more tolerating of the views of a liberal in parliament than vice versa. He was trying to make the point that his views would never be popular enough to pass laws in his country and that's perfectly fine with him. However they treated him like a dictator who, if elected, would single handedly change laws without consulting the population or their representatives.

I would count myself as a liberal, who believes that anyone should do anything they want so long as there's no negative impact on others. It frustrates me when I see liberals trying to change conservatives instead of accepting their views and the fact they are in a minority.

Note: The irony is not lost on me, and how me and the OP are intolerant of a certain part of society's intolerance towards others.

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I didn't see the word "beheading" in the OP. What I did see was " intolerant of those who dont share their own world outlook. " to which your follow-up was a dismissive, ad-hominem hand-wave, instead of actually engaging in an actual discussion. Granted, this doesn't do anything to actually interfere with his freedom of speech, but it does fit the lazy habit of mocking, insulting or demonising that has unfortunately become of feature of "contributions" by the hard-of-thinking on both sides of the divide, and consequently leads to posts like the OPs.
Liberals in nazi germany: executed
Liberals in saudi: dismembered
Liberals in USSR: disappears

Conservatives in Ireland: gets told to cop on

‘WTF BRO IM SO OPPRESSED’
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There seems to be a trend of those who claim to be liberal but are completely intolerant of those who dont share their own world outlook. They are liberal as long as you agree with them but if anyone so much as strays from their own group think they are attacked, slandered and censored. Why are so many self proclaimed liberals in favour of tighter censorship laws and clamping down on freedom of speech, which is an essence of a true liberal society. Surely being liberal means supporting free speech whether you agree with it or not. The fact is liberalism is about supporting free speech and expression and opposing censorship which is the exact opposite to what so many who claim to be on the liberal spectrum have proposed. It seems liberalism has been hijacked by SJWs and college students, in favour of identity politics which is anything but liberal. Its time real liberals stood up and defended the true liberal values of freedom of speech and democracy.
This translates to "Why won't you tolerate my intolerance?!"
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It wouldn't go well. What does that have to do with having liberal views in Ireland?
Whoosh, the whole point went right over your head.
Correct. That's why I asked the question. Spell it out for me. Nobody else seems inclined to.
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21-12-2018, 13:01   #74
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This translates to "Why won't you tolerate my intolerance?!"
You tell 'em, get back in line, no divergent opinions allowed.
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You tell 'em, get back in line, no divergent opinions allowed.
Mate they are allowed. We’re allowed to tell them to f*ck off too
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