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Metallica Superthread -All Metallica discussion goes in here
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Motley Crue wrote: »Forgive me for stirring, but you'll notice who Dave does NOT have his hand around
How's this for ya?:pac:
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lord lucan wrote: »How's this for ya?:pac:
Much better, thanks
P.S. Have you seen the recent announcement of more Australian dates on the way to Japan....still leaving September 4th open and still of course hinting there are a few shows left before touring winds down? I'm thinking if they play anywhere in Europe in September I'm gonna go0 -
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This interview with Mustaine and kerry king makes for some good reading
Revolver - Full interviewRevolver: How did the "Big Four" tour come about?
King: It was something that was trying to be made happen, so it just took everyone signing off on it. I gotta tell you, man, I can't believe, in the 27 years since we put our first record out, that no one's tried to make this happen. Because now that it is happening, it's so cool, it's so important, that every territory in the world wants it. I don't know what took so long.
Mustaine: We had some opportunities to do these festivals, and we had been doing the Carnage dates [with SLAYER], which were of course so popular in the States and Canada. For me, personally, I didn't see it coming… Having dinner with Lars [Ulrich] the other night, he told me that he had talked to SLAYER's tour manager a year and a half ago about whether or not this was gonna happen, and I thought, God, I'm so glad I didn't know about this a year and a half ago, because I would've had to spend every day with that "I've got a big gig coming" brain.
Revolver: For a long time, it seemed like there was bad blood between you guys, specifically between SLAYER and MEGADETH, and MEGADETH and METALLICA. What squashed that beef?
King: Before we did the Australian and Japanese run with MEGADETH, I was reading the Revolver SLAYER issue, and reading this interview we did with Dave. And I just couldn't remember why I wasn't friends with this dude anymore — I could not remember what I was upset about. So we get to the airport, and I saw him coming out of the lounge, and I came up, shook his hand, and said, "Hey, dude, I don't think I've talked to you in about 15 years!" We have a ****load of dates coming up, and honestly, when I've talked to him, I remember the guy I dug 25 years ago.
Mustaine: We've just learned how to step back see what we stand for in the world, the "Big Four," and how each band has contributed to that in its own way. I had a huge turnaround on my whole outlook at life walking into this tour, these dates, with just a brand new relationship. The first person I talked to was [METALLICA guitarist] Kirk [Hammett]. We talked for a while, and then at dinner, I sat next to James [Hetfield] and Lars, and it was cool to look at it — just how much we changed the world… Twenty years ago, this tour probably wouldn't have happened — we were all young, and we weren't dealing with the fame too well.
Revolver: What do SLAYER represent in the "Big Four?"
King: We represent all that is evil in the "Big Four," and historically, I think we've represented thrash the best, but it's funny, just how these four bands from this same movement went off to become different entities.
Revolver: What about MEGADETH?
Mustaine: Our lyrics are a little deeper than some of the others, but we're each different in that way — SLAYER's lyrics are really different from ANTHRAX's. We're really just like a four-paned window, you know — four different vantage points, all getting across that same message.
Revolver: Since METALLICA is headlining these shows, Kerry, should they be worried about getting blown off the stage by one of you?
King: The one thing I'm not happy about — and we didn't know this until we got here — is that it's not always the "Big Four" in a row. Some days, there are bands in between us, and that's kind of a bummer. A night ending with ANTHRAX, MEGADETH, and SLAYER would be brutal. I have nothing against those other bands, but I didn't know about that. But yeah, we open for METALLICA some nights. I've seen METALLICA twice on this tour, and they may not have all the spiel and bells and whistles they had in the States, but they've been killing it. They're pros, man, they'll have no problem. That said, man, our set's brutal, and it ain't there to make friends.
Would have loved to hear what Dave,Kirk,Lars and James spoke about :pac:0 -
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lord lucan wrote: »In truth it doesn't matter who plays bass in Metallica,they'll always be in the shadow of Cliff.
I want to agree with you, but I wonder, do newer Metallica fans (in both age and musical taste) maybe not associate Cliff with the band as much as veteran fans do. I mean, they made no videos with Cliff, despite his incredible musical input and vision. And, as fate would have it, there also exist's not a single professionally shot Metallica concert featuring Cliff in the line up. So asides from a few scattered interviews...in which Cliff hardly says anything next to a spotty Hetfield....there really isn't anything of Cliff around.
And since he is dead, may he RIP, he isn't performing in another group and so new fans haven't seen him perform at all since 1986 - unlike Big Jim Martin ex-FNM or Slash ex-GNR for example
And, of course, it's not absurd to assume that a casual Metallica fan who doesn't check the Internet on the subject (and there are plenty of them around the globe) might simply assume Metallica's old bassist was Jason Newsted
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lord lucan wrote: »Funnily enough,Trujillo has only 1 album under his belt but officially has more writing credits than Jason who played on 4 studio albums.
True. I remember the interview Hetfield gave where he said that Trujillo had already contributed more in an album then Newsted did in several years...and I kept thinking, but surely that's because you didn't let him?
I also remember hearing that Hetfield asked for Newsted to be fired from the band about 6 months after he joined. He didn't like the fact that Newsted wanted to be so involved in the promotional and decision making so he told Ulrich he had to go. Ulrich and the label, to their credit, stood up for Newsted and said "no, you made your decision, he stays"
Although I'm not sure how 100% accurate that is, but something similar did happen with Hetfield and Newsted...and come to think about it, I remember reading Jason got married around 1990 and then got divorced in a couple of months...it having something to do with his life on the road....
In fairness, Newsted contributed almost as much to Sepultura as he did to Metallica lol
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I really liked Jason as a bassist. As lord lucan and nyarlothothep have said, he put a lot of feeling into his playing and he was great on stage (backing vocals were great).
I'm not a fan of Trujillo really. Just don't think he fits in or something... In the Rock Hall of Fame video where they're both on stage I can't help but think of how Jason looks like he belongs up there much more than Trujillo.
Edit: He's also put more time into the band than any other bassist so I think there'll always be a special place for him.0 -
Motley Crue wrote: »True. I remember the interview Hetfield gave where he said that Trujillo had already contributed more in an album then Newsted did in several years...and I kept thinking, but surely that's because you didn't let him?
I also remember hearing that Hetfield asked for Newsted to be fired from the band about 6 months after he joined. He didn't like the fact that Newsted wanted to be so involved in the promotional and decision making so he told Ulrich he had to go. Ulrich and the label, to their credit, stood up for Newsted and said "no, you made your decision, he stays"
Although I'm not sure how 100% accurate that is, but something similar did happen with Hetfield and Newsted...and come to think about it, I remember reading Jason got married around 1990 and then got divorced in a couple of months...it having something to do with his life on the road....
In fairness, Newsted contributed almost as much to Sepultura as he did to Metallica lol
It's all a bit of a flawed discussion again though, it's not comparing like for like, it's fine to discuss the Bassists on their technical ability and feel, but not really their impact on Metallica - as there are completely different circumstances surrounding their times in the band - of course Cliff will be remembered with having had a huge influence on the band and how they developed, he was involved in them breaking initially, and who knows what may have happened had that tragic accident not happened.......
But to compare Jason to Cliff in the realms of Metallica just is neither fair nor relevant as he was never really a part of the band in that way, from the start he seemed to be treated as a session player brought in to do a job and not have much input......with all that's been said since do you really think that his ideas were going to be taken into account when recording with the animosity the lads seemed to hold towards him for no reason.......he was a member of Metallica for a significant period of time and played on the albums that took Metallica as an entity to a completely different entity - but any creativity wasn't going to be used was it ????
As for the idea that Cliff wasn't in video's or pro shot concerts - lets be honest for a band like Metallica videos were of little importance at the beginning, it wasn't a time that bands in that genre were making videos - so it's no surprise, things changed around the time of Justice and the band embraced it, so of course Jason is in a lot of videos and that may indeed give a more vivid rememberance of him over Cliff, and as more recent developments have happend there's more and more video and DVD's available, and in peoples conciousness Rob will be seen more now than either Jason or Cliff.......it's just natural.........
But Rob has been welcomed into the band more readily than Jason and the band seems to be allowing him to put his ideas in to the mix and actaully listen to them......
Sometimes people don't get a fair ride with bands and I honestly don't think Jason got that.......so without knowing that he may have tried to add to the band you can't really judge his contribution.....that's my two cents anyway
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I'm not a fan of Trujillo really. Just don't think he fits in or something... In the Rock Hall of Fame video where they're both on stage I can't help but think of how Jason looks like he belongs up there much more than Trujillo.
just lookin at this did metallica not catch wind of when 'Jasonic' dissed em having joined a 'real band' a few years ago, albeit a post-1992 Voivod?
i reckon he's more suited too. Trujillo don't fit - slap-bass is what he does best with the tone turned up he is restricted here. and in most metal groups where bass just provides depth0 -
Star Bingo wrote: »Trujillo don't fit - slap-bass is what he does best with the tone turned up he is restricted here. and in most metal groups where bass just provides depth
I felt with Ozzy Osbourne and Suicidal Tendencies he was more at home to what he does best
Also, I made the connection the minute Trujillo joined Metallica that he had played for Jerry Cantrell before, in the latter's video for 'Anger Rising'
It's disappointing to think, but if Hetfield was recommended by Cantrell, he probably just picked Trujillo based on that as opposed to anything else....we all know about Hetfield's unquestionable admiration and loyalty to Alice In Chains
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Motley Crue wrote: »I felt with Ozzy Osbourne and Suicidal Tendencies he was more at home to what he does best
yep.. n of course here - same deal i guess
of course we know why metallikur brought him in, his binding spirit when they're in complete disarray. someone to lean on! aww.. good thing he's built like a tree trunk - i've seen Some Kind of Monster u know! very revealing. very amusing
however it backfired somewhat.. his womanizing grates on em. when he turns up with a different teenage girl prior to a show, there ain't half some sour faces
edit: to dispel any controversy, trujillo is of course married w/ kids! shocking 0 -
Am I Evil? wrote: »This interview with Mustaine and kerry king makes for some good reading
Revolver - Full interview
Would have loved to hear what Dave,Kirk,Lars and James spoke about :pac:
"METALLICA, SLAYER, MEGADETH and ANTHRAX — the so-called "Big Four" of 1980s thrash metal — played together for the first time in history this past Wednesday night (June 16) in front of 81,000 fans at the Sonisphere festival at Bemowo Airport in Warsaw, Poland.
A video interview with METALLICA bassist Robert Trujillo conducted by NME TV prior to the band taking the stage in Warsaw can be viewed below.
"[I asked the other guys] When's the last time METALLICA shared the stage with SLAYER, MEGADETH and ANTHRAX?' Robert said. "And they were, like, we've actually never played the same gig together. And, obviously, [METALLICA] has done shows with each of these bands separately on different occasions.
"Time went on, and it was brought up again, I guess, around the completion of [METALLICA's 2008 album] 'Death Magnetic'. And then James [Hetfield, METALLICA guitarist/vocalist] kind of took the torch and ran with it and started planting the seed with some of the people from management and Lars [Ulrich, METALLICA drummer]...
"Once Lars gets his head wrapped around it, then the wheels start moving.
"All the bands were well into it, the timing seemed right, everyone's got new releases, and the momentum is strong... strong, actually, for metal in general.
"This is the right time. Who knows?! Maybe a year or two from now, it wouldn't mean as much. Maybe it wouldn't have meant as much a couple of years back.
"Last night [Tuesday, June 15], we had dinner with the other three bands [in Warsaw, Poland], and it was great. Only bandmembers. It was kind of a setup to where we were in a smaller environment, it was a smaller restaurant. The tables were even smaller — maybe four per table. [Laughs] So we really had to kind of unite and bond.
"I hadn't seen Tom [Araya, SLAYER bassist/vocalist] in, it seems like, eight years. Dave Lombardo [SLAYER drummer] I've seen recently, Kerry [King, SLAYER guitarist] I've seen. [Dave] Mustaine [MEGADETH frontman and former METALLICA guitarist], I hadn't seen him in, it feels like, 12 years. Maybe it was 10 years. But I know more than anything, for Lars and James, to reconnect with Dave Mustaine was a really big deal — it was important to them.
"Once you get into it, there's just no shortage of conversation. The difficult part is kind of making your way to the next guy. There's always something great to talk about."
Several more "Big Four" shows will take place across Europe, with a June 22 concert in Bulgaria to be beamed to U.S. movie theatres. There are still no plans for a U.S. run."
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Star Bingo wrote: »however it backfired somewhat.. his womanizing grates on em. when he turns up with a different teenage girl prior to a show, there ain't half some sour faces
This is Rob turning up with these teenage girls?
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Hate away, that doesn't mean they are dismissable as also-rans. If all you know of them is that their lead singer was a drug addict then I highly recommend checking out their album Dirt.Star Bingo wrote: »were a junkie-fronted rock group, all i know. no time for thespians fuelled by smack. you name em/ i hate em. the list is long
To use a Metallica-based analogy, just because Lars Ulrich comes across as a twat doesn't mean that albums like Ride the Lightning and Master of Puppets should be dismissed. Appreciate and judge the music, not the musician.0 -
Star Bingo wrote: »were a junkie-fronted rock group, all i know. no time for thespians fuelled by smack. you name em/ i hate em. the list is long
You're words are just misguided, I'm sorry, you have a right to your opinion but in this case you are choosing a dangerously unpopular position.
I said before, this is a Metallica superthread, and it's got nothing to do with an argument for or against drug use among musicians...Alice In Chain's drug use, or that of their lead vocalist, may have had them kicked off a Metallica tour in 1994 but that is as far as it goes. I was just making the point that Hetfield's "slagging" of Alice In Chains was nothing more then in good fun and not vindictive because of the relationship Hetfield shares with Alice In Chains.
And I stand by believing that Trujilo's former work with Jerry Cantrell was a feather in the cap for Hetfield's personal decision that this was the guy they wanted. Trujilo may have worked with others, but the fact he worked with Cantrell, really moved in his favour
He had to be better then Bob Rock lol
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Metallica plan their Raiders comeback gig, with Bob Rock on bass
Notice how Rock suggests they use Robert Trujilo to play bass during this gig, but they're reluctant to do so, because he hasn't been "officially" selected but they all know he's going to be the new bassist0 -
I was hoping for an O2 show this time around but if they come to Marlay Park, Tickets There will be...ehm, there
They were incredible at the Big Four show in Poland, only Irish review I've seen so far posted now,
http://ticketsthere.com/2010/06/19/metallica-slayer-megadeth-anthrax-–-warsaw-poland-sonisphere-june-14th-–-live-review/
The idea that Megadeth won't support them is now out the window but I very much doubt they'll do it in September if Metallica come over, maybe next year on this so called 'massive' tour Met are planning \,,/0 -
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Motley Crue wrote: »
Metallica plan their Raiders comeback gig, with Bob Rock on bass
Notice how Rock suggests they use Robert Trujilo to play bass during this gig, but they're reluctant to do so, because he hasn't been "officially" selected but they all know he's going to be the new bassist
they really hazed Rock0 -
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lord lucan wrote: »
Well, it looks like we've nothing to complain about anymore, they're all friends....oh well
Maybe this will lead to them making some great music together. An album featuring all the skills and writing of the Big Four on one disc.....0 -
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