All Covid-19 measures are permanent, don't be a boiling frog!

aido79 · 20-01-2021 9:23am

ShatterAlan wrote: »

Anyway, back on track.

It appears that a curfew will be introduced in Holland on wednesday.

Can the boards.ie expert virologists explain what this will accomplish?

Will it be permanent? If not then what's the relevance to this thread?

PintOfView · 20-01-2021 10:25am

ShatterAlan wrote: »

It appears that a curfew will be introduced in Holland on wednesday.

Can the boards.ie expert virologists explain what this will accomplish?

I imagine the authorities in Holland will expect a curfew to contribute to bringing down the number of new covid cases.

What do you think it will accomplish? and why do you think they are doing it?

20-01-2021 1:33pm

ShatterAlan wrote: »

And how would you make a crude naphtha on board a plane?

How long does it take to manufacture such a substance?

I never said you could, again your reading comprehension skills are letting you down. My point is that there are any number of liquid chemical combinations which you could easily use, or more importantly: THREATEN to use, to bring a plane down, thereby negating your dismissive approach to someone sneaking bottles of potentially explosive material on-board.

ShatterAlan wrote: »

Anyway, back on track.

It appears that a curfew will be introduced in Holland on wednesday.

Can the boards.ie expert virologists explain what this will accomplish?

Just Holland? What about the rest of the Netherlands?

ShatterAlan · 23-01-2021 11:48pm

aido79 wrote: »

Will it be permanent? If not then what's the relevance to this thread?

Whether it's permanent or not isn't what I asked. My question was what will a 21:00 to 0430 curfew accomplish?

Now you can sound off like a broken record and just say it will do this, that and the other. With bars and clubs and restaurants closed at this time anyway then how is a curfew in some way shape or form supposed to help?

Incidentally, the curfew doesn't apply if you are walking a dog.

A dog walker is immune to covid but a non-dog walker is a public health threat?

I await the justification for that.

GT89 · 24-01-2021 12:45am

Surely it's a bit ridiculous introducing a curfew. A curfew means more people out during the day for shopping and the like meaning less social distancing surely.

aido79 · 24-01-2021 1:46am

ShatterAlan wrote: »

Whether it's permanent or not isn't what I asked. My question was what will a 21:00 to 0430 curfew accomplish?

Now you can sound off like a broken record and just say it will do this, that and the other. With bars and clubs and restaurants closed at this time anyway then how is a curfew in some way shape or form supposed to help?

Incidentally, the curfew doesn't apply if you are walking a dog.

A dog walker is immune to covid but a non-dog walker is a public health threat?

I await the justification for that.

This is a thread about all covid19 measures being permanent. If you don't think this will be permanent why mention it on this thread and not any of the other covid threads?

Dohnjoe · 24-01-2021 2:04am

ShatterAlan wrote: »

Whether it's permanent or not isn't what I asked. My question was what will a 21:00 to 0430 curfew accomplish?

https://www.healthline.com/health-news/yes-curfews-can-help-stop-the-spread-of-covid-19-heres-how#What-are-curfews?

Dohnjoe · 24-01-2021 2:20am

A pattern definitely emerging here

Why..

Masks
Lockdown
Curfews
Photos of hospitals empty
Vaccine
Less flights
Contact tracing
Ventilators
Etc

Then belligerently rejecting answers and explanations. "I don't get it, you can't explain it to me, therefore something is going on I can't be bothered to explain"

GT89 · 25-01-2021 1:32am

Dohnjoe wrote: »

https://www.healthline.com/health-news/yes-curfews-can-help-stop-the-spread-of-covid-19-heres-how#What-are-curfews?

Staying at home is not good for your health. Going for a long walk is probably the best thing you could do you for your mental and physical health in these awful times.

arccosh · 25-01-2021 10:06am

GT89 wrote: »

Staying at home is not good for your health. Going for a long walk is probably the best thing you could do you for your mental and physical health in these awful times.

just going to skirt around the point altogether then, yeah?

Trigger · 25-01-2021 1:09pm

GT89 wrote: »

Staying at home is not good for your health. Going for a long walk is probably the best thing you could do you for your mental and physical health in these awful times.

And you would have plenty of time to do so before the curfew hours kick in

ShatterAlan · 25-01-2021 4:03pm

Fighting Tao wrote: »

Yeah because the TSA run world airline security. It has been explained to you and either you can’t absorb reality, or you are a WUM. Which is it?

A what?

runawaybishop · 25-01-2021 7:33pm

ShatterAlan wrote: »

A what?

It's someone that can't use internet search engines. Your heart would bleed for them.

All that fandango · 25-01-2021 7:39pm

Why are fines for travelling over 5km all over the news the last couple of weeks? Never came across any mention of how many were fined back in the previous two lockdowns, despite traffic being very heavy.

Fighting Tao · 25-01-2021 8:18pm

All that fandango wrote: »

Why are fines for travelling over 5km all over the news the last couple of weeks? Never came across any mention of how many were fined back in the previous two lockdowns, despite traffic being very heavy.

Slow news day.

The Raging Bile Duct · 25-01-2021 9:23pm

All that fandango wrote: »

Why are fines for travelling over 5km all over the news the last couple of weeks? Never came across any mention of how many were fined back in the previous two lockdowns, despite traffic being very heavy.

Because nobody was fined in the previous two lockdowns for traveling beyond 5km.

GT89 · 25-01-2021 10:16pm

Trigger wrote: »

And you would have plenty of time to do so before the curfew hours kick in

What if your at work during the day and don't have time should doctors and nurses who are apparently under huge stress atm not be allowed go for a walk after they come home from work? I went for a walk last night and can count on my fingers the amount of other pedestrians I encountered so hardly a hotbed for spreading covid.

Have only ever heard of or encountered Gardai stopping people in cars never heard of them stopping people on foot, public transport or push bikes. Heard bus drivers saying their buses have never been to check by Gardai to see if passengers were making essential travel or not. I'd say a curfew would be similar.

Fighting Tao · 25-01-2021 10:21pm

GT89 wrote: »

What if your at work during the day and don't have time should doctors and nurses who are apparently under huge stress atm not be allowed go for a walk after they come home from work? I went for a walk last night and can count on my fingers the amount of other pedestrians I encountered so hardly a hotbed for spreading covid.

Have only ever heard of or encountered Gardai stopping people in cars never heard of them stopping people on foot, public transport or push bikes. Heard bus drivers saying their buses have never been to check by Gardai to see if passengers were making essential travel or not. I'd say a curfew would be similar.

I suppose it depends where you are walking. Loads of people walking the quays in Dublin at night. Guards have stopped me when cycling a number of times about covid rules. Just because you don’t see it, doesn’t mean it doesn’t happen. If there is a curfew, they will just stop everyone.

GT89 · 25-01-2021 10:32pm

Fighting Tao wrote: »

I suppose it depends where you are walking. Loads of people walking the quays in Dublin at night. Guards have stopped me when cycling a number of times about covid rules. Just because you don’t see it, doesn’t mean it doesn’t happen. If there is a curfew, they will just stop everyone.

Maybe in the city centre but out in the suburbs I haven't seen any. When it was a 2km travel restriction I never complied when going for a walk and never came across any checks.

EyesClosed · 25-01-2021 10:34pm

GT89 wrote: »

What if your at work during the day and don't have time should doctors and nurses who are apparently under huge stress atm not be allowed go for a walk after they come home from work? I went for a walk last night and can count on my fingers the amount of other pedestrians I encountered so hardly a hotbed for spreading covid.

Have only ever heard of or encountered Gardai stopping people in cars never heard of them stopping people on foot, public transport or push bikes. Heard bus drivers saying their buses have never been to check by Gardai to see if passengers were making essential travel or not. I'd say a curfew would be similar.

Firstly there is no curfew here... Second.. What does any of this have to do with all covid regulations becoming permanent?

bunnyboxer · 25-01-2021 10:42pm

The virus was created by the NWO to wean out the sick and vulnerable, partially creating a master race. They also want to see how we respond to the lockdowns and plan on making insane changes in the next five years.

Once heard immunity kicks in, we can kick on and keeps governments catalyst for more control of the people.

Dont kid yourself with the vacinnes, the only way this is going away is when herd immunity hits and a record number of people die

silliussoddius · 25-01-2021 10:44pm

Solidarity, brother

Dohnjoe · 25-01-2021 11:47pm

bunnyboxer wrote: »

The virus was created by the NWO to wean out the sick and vulnerable, partially creating a master race.

So all these old white guys of the "NWO" are targeting themselves?

bunnyboxer · 26-01-2021 12:01am

Dohnjoe wrote: »

So all these old white guys of the "NWO" are targeting themselves?

They had a vacinne even before it started.

ShatterAlan · 26-01-2021 12:31am

Trigger wrote: »

Mod:Back to the topic at hand please which is Covid 19 measures, feel free to continue the discussion above in the 9/11 forum

Less of the condensending posts, discuss amicably or find somewhere else, that goes for everyone else too

My post had nothing to do with 9/11 so why should it be discussed in the 9/11 forum?

I was just pointing out that temporary measure brought into place after 9/11 have become de facto permanent and the same is likely to happen after this covid thing. But if you don't want mention of 9/11 then fair enough, I'll acquiesce.

Dohnjoe · 26-01-2021 12:34am

bunnyboxer wrote: »

They had a vacinne even before it started.

So at least we know Macron isn't part of the NWO

runawaybishop · 26-01-2021 12:37am

Dohnjoe wrote: »

So the virus isn't fake then? for example, Irish hospitals are genuinely under strain at the moment right?

Open your eyes, man. If we stop people over 80 from breeding then we will soon have a master race.

I think he is claiming the elites have a vaccine already. Which is why none of them got sick or died of course.

mcgragger · 26-01-2021 12:42am

bunnyboxer wrote: »

The virus was created by the NWO to wean out the sick and vulnerable, partially creating a master race. They also want to see how we respond to the lockdowns and plan on making insane changes in the next five years.

Once heard immunity kicks in, we can kick on and keeps governments catalyst for more control of the people.

Dont kid yourself with the vacinnes, the only way this is going away is when herd immunity hits and a record number of people die

Who is in the NWO?
What changes are they planning?
What is a partial master race ?
How does herd immunity from a virus provide a catalyst for control of people?

Dohnjoe · 26-01-2021 12:42am

runawaybishop wrote: »

Open your eyes, man. If we stop people over 80 from breeding then we will soon have a master race.

Haha I genuinely missed that..

"Sir we have decreased the national average age by 2.3 months"

"Excellent, the master race is almost complete.."

mcgragger · 26-01-2021 12:44am

Dohnjoe wrote: »

Haha I genuinely missed that..

"Sir we have decreased the national average age by 2.3 months"

"Excellent, the master race is almost complete.."

Well we only need a partial master race innit

Dohnjoe · 26-01-2021 12:45am

mcgragger wrote: »

Who is in the NWO?
What changes are they planning?
What is a partial master race ?
How does herd immunity from a virus provide a catalyst for control of people?

I've spent too much time here, allow me..

1. Soros, Gates, Biden, various rich and powerful people (but not Trump)
2. To control us
3. Less old people, so the NWO doesn't have to pay pensions
4. The lockdown measures are a trial run for the "real thing"

mcgragger · 26-01-2021 12:49am

Dohnjoe wrote: »

I've spent too much time here, allow me..

1. Soros, Gates, Biden, various rich and powerful people (but not Trump)
2. To control us
3. Less old people, so the NWO doesn't have to pay pensions
4. The lockdown measures are a trial run for the "real thing"

Is our little president in the gang ?
Or maybe its George Hook

ShatterAlan · 26-01-2021 12:51am

Trigger wrote: »

And you would have plenty of time to do so before the curfew hours kick in

That's not the point. Some people have to work AT home inside all day. They can't leave the computer. When they log off at maybe 6pm maybe then they have to cook dinner for the kids and help them with a bit of homework. Maybe then they might want to unwind and watch their favourite tv program. Come 9pm you're not allowed out. Some people might like to go for a nightly stroll when it's quiet. There's some justification for a curfew during war time but even that is questionable.

What is the purpose of a night time curfew other than to impose control over people. Can you not just step back and think about it for a minute instead of just blindly agreeing with every single restriction that is put in place?

There is talk in the Netherlands of a ban being put in place to prevent non-residents, i.e. tourists, from buying cannabis. That has absolutely nothing to do with Covid. It's being sneaked in on the back of the alcohol curfew (8pm) and the physical curfew (9pm). The lunatic mayor of Amsterdam has an agenda. She wants to abolish recreational tourism and sex tourism. She wants to eradicate people coming for the weekends and smoking weed and visiting the RLD. Not out of some kind of altruistic moral crusade. Oh, no. She's happy for the money that's brought into the city. But she wants to convert the RLD into swanky canal apartments for her filthy rich vulture fund buddies and she wants a more well-heeled tourist element like billionaire oligarchs splashing their cash around instead of riff-raff like the rest of us coming for a weekend to party.

Dohnjoe · 26-01-2021 1:11am

ShatterAlan wrote: »

What is the purpose of a night time curfew other than to impose control over people.

To reduce people mixing and socialising and spreading the virus. I feel this has already been explained to you and links provided.

bunnyboxer · 26-01-2021 1:23am

Dohnjoe wrote: »

I've spent too much time here, allow me..

1. Soros, Gates, Biden, various rich and powerful people (but not Trump)
2. To control us
3. Less old people, so the NWO doesn't have to pay pensions
4. The lockdown measures are a trial run for the "real thing"

Couldn't of wording it better myself. The perfect virus to wean out the old and not affect young people. No pensions, No long term hospital care. Also people with underlying illnesses they want rid of.

This is only the start of it.

Dohnjoe · 26-01-2021 1:26am

bunnyboxer wrote: »

Couldn't of wording it better myself. The perfect virus to wean out the old and not affect young people. No pensions, No long term hospital care. Also people with underlying illnesses they want rid of.

This is only the start of it.

Like I've said, I've been here too long.

mcgragger · 26-01-2021 1:35am

Right so Mehole and Leo are part of a secret society that are sneaking in rules on the back of a virus response so that they can control us.

Is it going to far to ask why they want to control us at mass levels?

ShatterAlan · 26-01-2021 1:37am

Dohnjoe wrote: »

To reduce people mixing and socialising and spreading the virus. I feel this has already been explained to you and links provided.

If the government declared that in the interests of public safety all first born sons need to be euthanized you would find some justification for that. You will do anything to agree with government diktats and pillory anyone who might raise questions.

How is a night time curfew to have any effect on the transmission of this virus when people can mix during the day? These measures don't make a shred of sense but you will jump through hoops to toe the party line rather than to do a bit of thinking.

Does this virus spread more aggressively from a guy going for a midnight stroll all on his own with his headphones on but miraculously the same guy walking at midday is no risk?

You state that the objective is to reduce people mixing. Why then can you pack out a SuperValu but two guys can't walk 30 feet apart out in the open on a golf course?

Are people with dogs immune to the virus? Because the curfew doesn't apply to them. Instead of masks and a vaccine shouldn't we all just get a dog?

Why are flights from the UK and South Africa banned? Why can't the flight go ahead if the passengers have all tested negative?

Tea drinker · 26-01-2021 1:40am

bunnyboxer wrote: »

Couldn't of wording it better myself. The perfect virus to wean out the old and not affect young people. No pensions, No long term hospital care. Also people with underlying illnesses they want rid of.

This is only the start of it.

Virus needs to hit young women before they start the breedings if you want real change. Old people are manufactured every year, if you break a womans childbearing years then it's a differing story.

You guys brought up breeding and age so don't blame me!!!!!!!

Dohnjoe · 26-01-2021 1:57am

ShatterAlan wrote: »

If the government declared that in the interests of public safety all first born sons need to be euthanized you would find some justification for that. You will do anything to agree with government diktats and pillory anyone who might raise questions.

Nope I don't. That's yet another (completely) false position you've attributed to me.

How is a night time curfew to have any effect on the transmission of this virus when people can mix during the day? These measures don't make a shred of sense but you will jump through hoops to toe the party line rather than to do a bit of thinking.

It's simply to reduce the number of people mixing and socialising, e.g. groups of teenagers.

Your bizarre explanation is that it's actually a scheme by governments to "control" people, but you never explain why or what the scheme is exactly..

Why are flights from the UK and South Africa banned? Why can't the flight go ahead if the passengers have all tested negative?

Dunno, possibly because those people can catch the virus in the period after a negative test. With more virulent foreign strains coming from abroad, apparently governments want to take stronger measures to mitigate that

What is your explanation as to why those flights are banned?

bunnyboxer · 26-01-2021 2:02am

mcgragger wrote: »

Right so Mehole and Leo are part of a secret society that are sneaking in rules on the back of a virus response so that they can control us.

Is it going to far to ask why they want to control us at mass levels?

Nope there not but head guys in E.U are.

ShatterAlan · 26-01-2021 2:25am

Dohnjoe wrote: »

Nope I don't. That's yet another (completely) false position you've attributed to me.

It's simply to reduce the number of people mixing and socialising, e.g. groups of teenagers.

Your bizarre explanation is that it's actually a scheme by governments to "control" people, but you never explain why or what the scheme is exactly..

Dunno, possibly because those people can catch the virus in the period after a negative test. With more virulent foreign strains coming from abroad, apparently governments want to take stronger measures to mitigate that

What is your explanation as to why those flights are banned?

Can't anybody who tests negative to the virus from ANY country contract it immediately after the test?

And can't groups of teenagers mix all day long before the 9pm curfew?

Dohnjoe · 26-01-2021 2:35am

ShatterAlan wrote: »

Can't anybody who tests negative to the virus from ANY country contract it immediately after the test?

Yes, but it's to do with likelihood. If you test negative that should probably be okay, but under extreme circumstances (e.g. the UK at the moment) that might not be a good enough.

And can't groups of teenagers mix all day long before the 9pm curfew?

Yes because it's not feasible to have an all-day curfew in most countries. Although that could be the next stage for some if the virus gets worse (it's already the case in Lebanon)

I notice you haven't bothered to address a single question I've asked.

ShatterAlan · 26-01-2021 2:44am

Dohnjoe wrote: »

Yes, but it's to do with likelihood. If you test negative that should probably be okay, but under extreme circumstances (e.g. the UK at the moment) that might not be a good enough.

Yes because it's not feasible to have an all-day curfew in most countries. Although that could be the next stage for some if the virus gets worse (it's already the case in Lebanon)

I notice you haven't bothered to address a single question I've asked.

I don't have to answer your "gotcha" questions. I ask a question about the validity and efficacy of curfews or I allude to contradictions and your knee-jerk reaction is to try and paint me into a corner forcing me to answer your questions like "what's the conspiracy? what's the alternative? ANSWER the question!" No thanks, It's debating in bad faith.

ShatterAlan · 26-01-2021 3:56am

So in the Netherlands there is a 9pm curfew supposedly to slow the spread of the virus. But it's ok to be out during the day from 4am to 9pm. The nightly curfew doesn't apply to people walking a dog. Explain that one.

If social distancing is recommended during the day how come it is ineffective at night?

You can't buy beer now after 8pm. Again I have no clue as to the logic of this. With the 9pm curfew and the 8pm beer cutoff people are descending on supermarkets in greater numbers at the same time. People are still having house parties it's just that they are starting them earlier, bulk buying the booze and people are staying over.

It's required to wear a mask in indoor public spaces including shops yet there's no plan about how to enforce this. The shop staff say that it isn't their job to ensure people wear masks and let them in even if they are not wearing a mask. Oh and this mask requirement doesn't apply to people in churches, temples and mosques. Maybe the virus is some kind of anti-christ bug and won't go near places of worship like Damien Thorn in The Omen.

Dohnjoe · 26-01-2021 5:12am

ShatterAlan wrote: »

So in the Netherlands there is a 9pm curfew supposedly to slow the spread of the virus. But it's ok to be out during the day from 4am to 9pm. The nightly curfew doesn't apply to people walking a dog. Explain that one.

An all-day curfew would be even more effective in reducing the spread of the virus, but it's not feasible to have all-day curfews in most countries (yet). So there are evening curfews.

If social distancing is recommended during the day how come it is ineffective at night?

It's not ineffective at night

It's required to wear a mask in indoor public spaces including shops yet there's no plan about how to enforce this.

People wear masks in shops. In certain countries people are required to wear masks in town and city centers. There aren't any major issues with this.

Again, another long list of stuff you "don't understand, therefore something is going on", without ever explaining what that something is. A hamster wheel of bad logic.

arccosh · 26-01-2021 9:33am

runawaybishop wrote: »

If we stop people over 80 from breeding...

just wanted to highlight this again....

Biology or English, (not sure which, not too sure I want to know either :-D)

you didn't do great in school did you?

runawaybishop · 26-01-2021 10:00am

arccosh wrote: »

just wanted to highlight this again....

Biology or English, (not sure which, not too sure I want to know either :-D)

you didn't do great in school did you?

ShatterAlan · 26-01-2021 10:30am

Dohnjoe wrote: »

An all-day curfew would be even more effective in reducing the spread of the virus, but it's not feasible to have all-day curfews in most countries (yet). So there are evening curfews.

It's not ineffective at night

People wear masks in shops. In certain countries people are required to wear masks in town and city centers. There aren't any major issues with this.

Again, another long list of stuff you "don't understand, therefore something is going on", without ever explaining what that something is. A hamster wheel of bad logic.

You're the one who doesn't understand. IF social distancing is effective at night then why not have people social distance at night instead of imposing a curfew on them which according to your expert knowledge of pandemics is to stop them mixing and socialising.
All you do is make excuse after excuse for nonsensical restrictions because you don't ever want to question the glorious government.

And you cherry pick the points I bring up. You do this time and again in every thread. It's mandatory to wear a mask in a shop but not in a church or temple. Where's the logic in that? And don't try to sidestep the question by demanding to know if I think it's a massive lizard-people style invasion of the body-snatchers hoax just to feel good about yourself or to ridicule the question because you can't answer it or you can't answer it with any semblence of sense.

EyesClosed · 26-01-2021 10:41am

ShatterAlan wrote: »

You're the one who doesn't understand. IF social distancing is effective at night then why not have people social distance at night instead of imposing a curfew on them which according to your expert knowledge of pandemics is to stop them mixing and socialising.
All you do is make excuse after excuse for nonsensical restrictions because you don't ever want to question the glorious government.

And you cherry pick the points I bring up. You do this time and again in every thread. It's mandatory to wear a mask in a shop but not in a church or temple. Where's the logic in that? And don't try to sidestep the question by demanding to know if I think it's a massive lizard-people style invasion of the body-snatchers hoax just to feel good about yourself or to ridicule the question because you can't answer it or you can't answer it with any semblence of sense.

OK... Firstly there is no curfew in Ireland... Secondly.. How does any of this relate to these restrictions being permanent?

All Covid-19 measures are permanent, don't be a boiling frog!

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