Being a short man

steddyeddy · 24-05-2015 1:12am

One eyed Jack wrote: »

I know what eddy was saying alright, I just think he's hearing what he wants to hear though is all.

The OP described his lack of success with the ladies as being due to his height. One poster replied "grow up". Can you imagine a fat girl posting about her weight putting off men receiving the same response?

catallus · 24-05-2015 1:13am

Little people are funny.

RayM · 24-05-2015 1:14am

catallus wrote: »

Little people are funny.

Brendan O'Carroll is quite short. Are you prepared to revise that opinion?

pq0n1ct4ve8zf5 · 24-05-2015 1:15am

steddyeddy wrote: »

The OP described his lack of success with the ladies as being due to his height. One poster replied "grow up". Can you imagine a fat girl posting about her weight putting off men receiving the same response?

Grow up wouldn't work in that context....

Also hell yeah I can imagine that.

24-05-2015 1:16am

Height is definitely less of an issue for girls.

At 4'11, I am overrun by guys with an absolute fetish for petite girls. Makes them feel more manly I suppose, being with the literal 'little woman'. I'd still like a few more inches

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I get called cute a lot, but on one memorable occasion I was called a lesbian dwarf bitch because I didn't fall into the arms of a guy with crotch stains and vomit breath.

catallus · 24-05-2015 1:17am

RayM wrote: »

Brendan O'Carroll is quite short. Are you prepared to revise that opinion?

The man is a comedic genius.

Mrs. Brown's Boys, anyone?

pq0n1ct4ve8zf5 · 24-05-2015 1:18am

I actually have a bit of a gra for short lads, that's definitely a minority opinion though.

steddyeddy · 24-05-2015 1:19am

MightyMandarin wrote: »

Yeah but 5'11 1/2 is pretty much 6'; a 5'7 lad against a 6'2 guy stands little chance unless he's good at MMA, boxing, karate etc.

Well why? What build is the six two guy? Is he fast, is he strong and is he co-ordinated? There are too many variables and the outcome isn't dependent on just height. I would be stronger than most guys taller than me.

steddyeddy · 24-05-2015 1:20am

Steven Massive Scum wrote: »

Grow up wouldn't work in that context....

Also hell yeah I can imagine that.

Again with the double standard. It doesn't work in either context.

pq0n1ct4ve8zf5 · 24-05-2015 1:21am

steddyeddy wrote: »

Again with the double standard. It doesn't work in either context.

You know it was a play on words, right?

One eyed Jack · 24-05-2015 1:24am

steddyeddy wrote: »

The man was standing up for himself. The only perpetuation of the short angry man stereotype is when people label any many who's angry as having a short man complex. Some people made fun of him, he dealt with them and I don't see what his height has to do with anything.

They were making fun of the disparity between his and his girlfriends' height, and the guy "dealt with them" by decking them. That's considerably perpetuating the "angry little man" syndrome.

steddyeddy wrote: »

The OP described his lack of success with the ladies as being due to his height. One poster replied "grow up". Can you imagine a fat girl posting about her weight putting off men receiving the same response?

Yes? There's practically a fat girls thread every week in AH. You probably missed the one last night about "vulnerable" ugly fat girls and the kind of guys that find them attractive? That's not to mention how often threads are started about obesity eventually descend into a discussion of the minute of the female anatomy. In fact, there's a thread over in the AMA forum right now where a female fitness model is answering questions, and one of the very first questions put to her was how many of the women have fake breasts!

(found it rather crass myself, but that's just my standards, can you imagine a male fitness model being asked how small are his balls?)

steddyeddy · 24-05-2015 1:26am

I've mentioned this on other threads but this is an issue close to my heart as my mate is about 5 foot 5. He pulls really nice birds but he has serious issues about his height. Some girls have told him they wouldn't go out with him because of his height or they would like him if he were taller. He works with me and a girl in the lab keeps making jokes about her height. She wouldn't stop even when asked politely so the only thing that worked was when my friend pointed out her weight problem. She complained to the administration that some guy was making fun of her weight and bullying her. He didn't get in trouble or anything but it just shows the absolute double standard she had.

steddyeddy · 24-05-2015 1:27am

Steven Massive Scum wrote: »

You know it was a play on words, right?

Yes I do but still unacceptable IMO.

24-05-2015 1:27am

steddyeddy wrote: »

The man was standing up for himself. The only perpetuation of the short angry man stereotype is when people label any many who's angry as having a short man complex. Some people made fun of him, he dealt with them and I don't see what his height has to do with anything.

If someone says something rude to you, it's unpleasant. To react by punching them is criminal.

It's completely disproportionate and I'd never condone violence as a way of dealing with hurt feelings. Of course he's going to look like an angry short man for reacting with his fists.

derfderf · 24-05-2015 1:27am

MightyMandarin wrote: »

I think that poster was more alluding to the fact that when women tell others they don't find a lad attractive, nobody bats an eyelid, but if a lad says he doesn't like a girl because she's fat, some people lose the head.

Some women actually have minimum height 185cm etc on their profile page. Imagine a guy putting max weight 12 stone or anything like that.

Edit: and the fact one is completely controlable makes it all the more annoying.

tomwaterford · 24-05-2015 1:28am

Is it not all personals perception as at 5ft10....I'm by a long way the shortest male in my family of all the male cousins etc....and do get mocked over it

fryup · 24-05-2015 1:29am

just tell them you got a big mickey and you'll be fine

steddyeddy · 24-05-2015 1:29am

One eyed Jack wrote: »

They were making fun of the disparity between his and his girlfriends' height, and the guy "dealt with them" by decking them. That's considerably perpetuating the "angry little man" syndrome.

But what's his height have to do with it? He shouldn't defend himself because he's short for fear of being labelled?

Yes? There's practically a fat girls thread every week in AH. You probably missed the one last night about "vulnerable" ugly fat girls and the kind of guys that find them attractive? That's not to mention how often threads are started about obesity eventually descend into a discussion of the minute of the female anatomy. In fact, there's a thread over in the AMA forum right now where a female fitness model is answering questions, and one of the very first questions put to her was how many of the women have fake breasts!

(found it rather crass myself, but that's just my standards, can you imagine a male fitness model being asked how small are his balls?)

Well that's particularly scummy IMO. I despise all forms of ridicule based on one's physical appearance. I think the height issue needs to be taken seriously though.

steddyeddy · 24-05-2015 1:30am

Candie wrote: »

If someone says something rude to you, it's unpleasant. To react by punching them is criminal.

It's completely disproportionate and I'd never condone violence as a way of dealing with hurt feelings. Of course he's going to look like an angry short man for reacting with his fists.

Yes we've established he is short but plenty of people resort to using violence and their height isn't brought into it.

Cold War Kid · 24-05-2015 1:30am

I'm under 5ft 5, about 5ft 7 in heels as I never wear very high ones.

Therefore a guy who is 5ft 7 or over is grand and tall to me. I don't get this "5ft 8 is small for men" thing.

Definitely a good weeding-out facility though. A woman would have to be a bit vapid IMO to be turned off just by a man not being 5ft 10 minimum.

One eyed Jack · 24-05-2015 1:31am

steddyeddy wrote: »

I've mentioned this on other threads but this is an issue close to my heart as my mate is about 5 foot 5. He pulls really nice birds but he has serious issues about his height. Some girls have told him they wouldn't go out with him because of his height or they would like him if he were taller. He works with me and a girl in the lab keeps making jokes about her height. She wouldn't stop even when asked politely so the only thing that worked was when my friend pointed out her weight problem. She complained to the administration that some guy was making fun of her weight and bullying her. He didn't get in trouble or anything but it just shows the absolute double standard she had.

I presume you mean she made jokes about his height?

Well why didn't he make a complaint to administration then in that case instead of lowering himself to her level? She was perfectly entitled to make a complaint, as was he. There's no double standard there.

24-05-2015 1:33am

steddyeddy wrote: »

Yes we've established he is short but plenty of people resort to using violence and their height isn't brought into it.

I just don't get why you're condoning him punching people by saying he was just defending himself.

You don't get to hurt people physically because you've been slagged. The reason I said he perpetuated the stereotype is because he acted way out of proportion by getting physical, thus confirming the bias held by many.

steddyeddy · 24-05-2015 1:33am

One eyed Jack wrote: »

I presume you mean she made jokes about his height?

Well why didn't he make a complaint to administration then in that case instead of lowering himself to her level? She was perfectly entitled to make a complaint, as was he. There's no double standard there.

Of course there was a double standard. She thought jokes about his physical appearance were acceptable while jokes about hers was not. Even today some people think he was the bad guy in all this and her jokes were harmless fun.

empacher · 24-05-2015 1:34am

Candie wrote: »

If someone says something rude to you, it's unpleasant. To react by punching them is criminal.

It's completely disproportionate and I'd never condone violence as a way of dealing with hurt feelings. Of course he's going to look like an angry short man for reacting with his fists.

i'll clarify it a little, i dont walk up to them and sucker punch them. But if i respond to them, telling them to piss off and they square up to me, or get right up into my face. Thats when I'll use my fists.

At that stage if was to turn around to walk away I'm as likely to get a punch into the back of the head and a kicking on the ground.

steddyeddy · 24-05-2015 1:34am

Candie wrote: »

I just don't get why you're condoning him punching people by saying he was just defending himself.

You don't get to hurt people physically because you've been slagged.

I'm not condoning it. I'm just saying the fact that he is short is irrelevant. If they were getting violent with him then violence is justified.

tomwaterford · 24-05-2015 1:35am

steddyeddy wrote: »

Of course there was a double standard. She thought jokes about his physical appearance were acceptable while jokes about hers was not. Even today some people think he was the bad guy in all this and her jokes were harmless fun.

Why did he not report it....instead of escalating the situation???

DoYouEvenLift · 24-05-2015 1:35am

I'm 6'2 (genuinely confirmed by nurse + doc) and I always defend against any kunts who openly mock and try to hurt other guys for being small. It's unbelievable how ignorant some women are about this and the double standard they fuel. I remember seeing a guy on another forum post screenshots of a tinder convo where the girl messaged first with just "what height are you?", he told her 6'0 to which she responded positively but then he followed up by asking her "what weight are you?" and surprise surprise she got offended and started telling him he was a 'shallow' asshole and that it's really rude to ask women their weight. I really cannot get past how dumb someone must be to not catch that obvious double standard.

One can choose to change one's weight but one has absolutely no choice in their height as it is entirely genetic and cannot be helped yet men are just expected to "get over it" when some women treat them like subhumans because of their height but as soon as any man even mentions a woman's weight she is just a poor victim and the man is a scumbag.

I've no problem with anyone having preferences but look at kunts like these, stuff like this seems to have become so popular to say openly as well...

http://i.imgur.com/exLBS.png

steddyeddy · 24-05-2015 1:36am

tomwaterford wrote: »

Why did he not report it....instead of escalating the situation???

Actually I reported it for him but nothing was done. They thought I was taking the piss. He was wrong not reporting it himself but it was a huge source of embarrassment to him.

ChunkyLover54 · 24-05-2015 1:37am

empacher wrote: »

i'll clarify it a little, i dont walk up to them and sucker punch them. But if i respond to them, telling them to piss off and they square up to me, or get right up into my face. Thats when I'll use my fists.

And you're right to. Long be the days when differences were nobly settled by dueling or by a clash of fences on the Champ du Mars. Nowadays its all mouth and no trousers.

24-05-2015 1:38am

steddyeddy wrote: »

I'm not condoning it. I'm just saying the fact that he is short is irrelevant. If they were getting violent with him then violence is justified.

You kind of are when you dismiss it as

The man was standing up for himself

You can stand up for yourself without assaulting someone, and if you do you can be rightly described as angry, and if you're small then you can be described as short and angry.

Some people made fun of him, he dealt with them and I don't see what his height has to do with anything

The thread is about short men, and perceptions of them and how they're perpetuated. That's what it has to do with it.

steddyeddy · 24-05-2015 1:39am

DoYouEvenLift wrote: »

I'm 6'2 (genuinely confirmed by nurse + doc) and I always defend against any kunts who openly mock and try hurt other guys for being small. It's unbelievable how ignorant some women are about this and the double standard they fuel. I remember seeing a guy on another forum post screenshots of a tinder convo where the girl messaged first with just "what height are you?", he told her 6'0 to which she responded positively but then he followed up by asking her "what weight are you?" and surprise surprise she got offended and started telling him he was a 'shallow' asshole and that it's really rude to ask women their weight. I really cannot get past how dumb someone must be to not catch that obvious double standard.

One can choose to change one's weight but one has absolutely no choice in their height as it is entirely genetic and cannot be helped yet men are just expected to "get over it" when some women treat them like subhumans because of their height but as soon as any man even mentions a woman's weight she is just a poor victim and the man is a scumbag.

I've no problem with anyone having preferences but look at kunts like these, stuff like this seems to have become so popular to say openly as well...

Bingo. It's willful ignorance that people don't see the double standard. My mate has been torn apart by women because of his height and very few people (Apart from me) come to his defence. It's seen that he should "get over it".

Cold War Kid · 24-05-2015 1:40am

DoYouEvenLift wrote: »

I'm 6'2 (genuinely confirmed by nurse + doc) and I always defend against any kunts who openly mock and try hurt other guys for being small. It's unbelievable how ignorant some women are about this and the double standard they fuel. I remember seeing a guy on another forum post screenshots of a tinder convo where the girl messaged first with just "what height are you?", he told her 6'0 to which she responded positively but then he followed up by asking her "what weight are you?" and surprise surprise she got offended and started telling him he was a 'shallow' asshole and that it's really rude to ask women their weight. I really cannot get past how dumb someone must be to not catch that obvious double standard.

One can choose to change one's weight but one has absolutely no choice in their height as it is entirely genetic and cannot be helped yet men are just expected to "get over it" when some women treat them like subhumans because of their height but as soon as any man even mentions a woman's weight she is just a poor victim and the man is a scumbag.

I've no problem with anyone having preferences but look at kunts like these, stuff like this seems to have become so popular to say openly as well...

http://i.imgur.com/exLBS.png

It is NOT just women who have a go at short guys for being short. The "small man syndrome" is gleefully harped on about by some men.

I agree though that women who like what they see of a guy on his profile and then suddenly get turned off him due to a number rather than considering the whole package, seem like idiots, and the guys are better off without them.

Those people in the screenshots are vile.

I agree also about the weight double standard thing. This is stuff that puts women in a bad light in the dating website context, but I won't apologise for it either though, as I'm certainly not a proponent of it.

tomwaterford · 24-05-2015 1:43am

steddyeddy wrote: »

Actually I reported it for him but nothing was done. They thought I was taking the piss. He was wrong not reporting it himself but it was a huge source of embarrassment to him.

So you reported it for someone else and nothing was done on it....she reported another complainet and nothing was done about it either???

steddyeddy · 24-05-2015 1:43am

Candie wrote: »

You kind of are when you dismiss it as You can stand up for yourself without assaulting someone, and if you do you can be rightly described as angry, and if you're small then you can be described as short and angry.

The thread is about short men, and perceptions of them and how they're perpetuated. That's what it has to do with it.

No you mentioned the angry short man stereotype. I maintain that people who use that phrase are perpetuating the stereotype by bringing a man's height into it.

You see stereotypes are offensive and the person labelled with the stereotype isn't the one at fault just because he/she fits some criteria in the stereotype.

steddyeddy · 24-05-2015 1:45am

tomwaterford wrote: »

So you reported it for someone else and nothing was done on it....she reported another complainet and nothing was done about it either???

Nothing was done about it no they were both told to just stop by their respective supervisors. What has happened is that some people in the lab have labelled him as cruel for mentioning her weight :rolleyes:

24-05-2015 1:45am

steddyeddy wrote: »

No you mentioned the angry short man stereotype. I maintain that people who use that phrase are perpetuating the stereotype by bringing a man's height into it.

You see stereotypes are offensive and the person labelled with the stereotype isn't the one at fault just because he/she fits some criteria in the stereotype.

The point I was making that his over the top reaction to an insult perpetuated the stereotype. If he had reacted calmly or not at all, he wouldn't. It's quite obvious.

pq0n1ct4ve8zf5 · 24-05-2015 1:47am

steddyeddy wrote: »

Nothing was done about it no they were both told to just stop by their respective supervisors. What has happened is that some people in the lab have labelled him as cruel for mentioning her weight :rolleyes:

Not entirely a gendered double standard though, really. If some girl had a go at a fat guy over his weight after he'd been calling her a shortarse, it'd be the same upshot

steddyeddy · 24-05-2015 1:47am

Candie wrote: »

The point I was making that his over the top reaction to an insult perpetuated the stereotype. If he had reacted calmly or not at all, he wouldn't. It's quite obvious.

I know what you're saying but it's the fault lies in people who label people as "short angry man" and not the person themselves.

steddyeddy · 24-05-2015 1:48am

Steven Massive Scum wrote: »

Not entirely a gendered double standard though, really. If some girl had a go at a fat guy over his weight after he'd been calling her a shortarse, it'd be the same upshot

Oh yes of course.

MightyMandarin · 24-05-2015 1:48am

Cold War Kid wrote: »

It is NOT just women who have a go at short guys for being short. The "small man syndrome" is gleefully harped on about by some men.

This. I'm 5'7, and happened to be in a year with dozens of 6ft+ lads. I got slagged and jeered about my height for years, and while it bothered me at first, I learned to stop giving a sh*te about being short and just accept it.

Lifting also helped me get through this a lot, as being short means you can look a lot bigger than tall guys without having to put on much muscle.

There are lots of advantages being smaller than others, you just have to find one and use it to your advantage.

JacquesDeLad · 24-05-2015 1:49am

Short people are more aggressive because the blood circulates quicker.

..and they don't live as long.

Larger means longer in biological terms.

steddyeddy · 24-05-2015 1:51am

MightyMandarin wrote: »

This. I'm 5'7, and happened to be in a year with dozens of 6ft+ lads. I got slagged and jeered about my height for years, and while it bothered me at first, I learned to stop giving a sh*te about being short and just accept it.

Lifting also helped me get through this a lot, as being short means you can look a lot bigger than tall guys without having to put on much muscle.

There are lots of advantages being smaller than others, you just have to find one and use it to your advantage.

Shorter people are generally stronger. I trained in the same gym as Peter Stringer and he lifted heavier than the bulk of the taller guys in there.

_Whimsical_ · 24-05-2015 1:54am

MightyMandarin wrote: »

This. I'm 5'7, and happened to be in a year with dozens of 6ft+ lads. I got slagged and jeered about my height for years, and while it bothered me at first, I learned to stop giving a sh*te about being short and just accept it.

Really sorry you've gone through that, it's totally wrong and disgusting.
I can't help thinking today, when we are all celebrating everyone's right to equality and happiness that I really hope that bonhomie filters into the way we treat people in general in this country, that we drop the judging, labeling and insensitivity to all classes of people. Hopefully our eyes be more open to all sorts of prejudice and we start saying "feck that" and standing against it more, even stuff like people being nasty about weight or height. How much easier all our lives would be without that crap.
That would be a fantastic legacy for a great day.

MightyMandarin · 24-05-2015 1:55am

steddyeddy wrote: »

Shorter people are generally stronger. I trained in the same gym as Peter Stringer and he lifted heavier than the bulk of the taller guys in there.

The greatest Powerlifter of all time was Ed Coan, who was 5'6. 'Nuff said.

Tigger · 24-05-2015 1:57am

steddyeddy wrote: »

Shorter people are generally stronger. I trained in the same gym as Peter Stringer and he lifted heavier than the bulk of the taller guys in there.

yeah but he only has to lift it a liddle bit

also he's an elite athlete

Tigger · 24-05-2015 1:59am

MightyMandarin wrote: »

The greatest Powerlifter of all time was Ed Coan, who was 5'6. 'Nuff said.

strong strongmen are big really big
powerlifting however has advantages for certain lever arrangements common to the shortilly gifted

steddyeddy · 24-05-2015 2:00am

MightyMandarin wrote: »

The greatest Powerlifter of all time was Ed Coan, who was 5'6. 'Nuff said.

Franco Columbo was five foot three and could deadlift 900 pounds and was also a boxing champion and bodybuilder.

pq0n1ct4ve8zf5 · 24-05-2015 2:00am

Is 5'6" even that short for a guy? The last time a thread slagging short guys came up (started by a guy) I looked up the average height of men in Ireland, wiki said 5'10" but it was self reported, I'd call serious shenanigans on that.

Though young lads do seem to be awful tall these days. Darned kids and their boomboxes and their bebos and their height.

catallus · 24-05-2015 2:07am

JacquesDeLad wrote: »

Short people are more aggressive because the blood circulates quicker.

..and they don't live as long.

Larger means longer in biological terms.

It is funny when they get angry, their little arms flailing in impotent rage

Tigger · 24-05-2015 2:10am

catallus wrote: »

It is funny when they get angry, their little arms flailing in impotent rage

its no good we can't get a rise outa them

Being a short man

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