Hungary Scrap Gender Studies Indoctrination Courses

batgoat · 12-08-2018 8:43pm

DickSwiveller Returns wrote: »

I admire the Hungarians for standing up to do the EU bullies and the NGO professional money grabbers. They have a fine immigration stance, too.

This is a bit like those people who admire Putin for being a hard man and ignore the terrible things that occur under him. You've literally fallen for the propaganda of a pretty dodgy government which will likely go fully authoritarian in the coming years. I'm pretty proud I don't support a xenophobic, anti democratic and corrupt regime cause that's exactly what it is.

Ken. · 12-08-2018 8:43pm

Ulysses Gaze wrote: »

If you are for Free Speech and exchange of ideas, you should be against this ban.

Doesn't matter if you like to content of the courses, you should be defending their right to teach them.

I agree 100% with you. As Evelyn Beatrice Hall said,

"I disapprove of what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it"

DickSwiveller Returns · 12-08-2018 8:45pm

batgoat wrote: »

This is a bit like those people who admire Putin for being a hard man and ignore the terrible things that occur under him. You've literally fallen for the propaganda of a pretty dodgy government which will likely go fully authoritarian in the coming years. I'm pretty proud I don't support a xenophobic, anti democratic and corrupt regime cause that's exactly what it is.

According to you. Terrible things occur in every country. If the Hungarians want Orban's government who are you to talk down to them and tell them they're wrong. Wasn't he democratically elected??

Nermal · 12-08-2018 8:46pm

batgoat wrote: »

Human rights org across the globe provide plenty of examples of the issues in Hungary, you'd have to actively ignore the state of the country. They're regressing under a very dodgy government. So shouting 'globalist rag' doesn't change the reality.

The reality is that the Hungarian government prioritises the rights of its citizens over illegal immigrants and doesn't want to spend taxpayer's money on indoctrination into a post-modern cult. It's not 'dodgy', frankly it's a beacon.

DickSwiveller Returns · 12-08-2018 8:47pm

meeeeh wrote: »

Taytoland wrote: »

meeeeh wrote: »

Did he stop funding them too?

I bet you they are more politically acceptable. And deeply scientific stuff that is theology keeps being funded...

Theology/bible studies etc are established, rich academic fields. Gender studies was created to cater for feminists who couldn't get a job with their English Lit. degree.

Grayson · 12-08-2018 8:50pm

meeeeh wrote: »

Oh so now we are supposed to admire a Central European wannabe dictator. For what exactly? To give morons something to cheer about? I'm sure you can solve whole pile of economic problems just by not financing gender studies.

Cynic in me would think it is not about the subject but because it's usually taught by left leaning lecturers and you don't want to have them on state wage list. They might encourage the students to protest against the government. But that would be just me...

Not just that. It panders to his supporters. The kind of people that go on rants about feminism.

It's damn hypocritical to claim to support free speech and support a government that removed funds from social sciences it doesn't like.

Ken. · 12-08-2018 8:50pm

Taytoland wrote: »

If you believe it should be taught and funded then you should think similar for creationism right?

I think it should be allowed. But you have to remember,just because there is a course on a subject doesn't mean it's right. Sure theirs courses on astrology and we all know that that is horsesh!t.

meeeeh · 12-08-2018 8:52pm

DickSwiveller Returns wrote: »

Theology/bible studies etc are established, rich academic fields. Gender studies was created to cater for feminists who couldn't get a job with their English Lit. degree.

Bwahahaha. Oh ok.

So how well did you study both to come up with this educated opinion?

batgoat · 12-08-2018 8:53pm

DickSwiveller Returns wrote: »

According to you. Terrible things occur in every country. If the Hungarians want Orban's government who are you to talk down to them and tell them they're wrong. Wasn't he democratically elected??

Nermal wrote: »

The reality is that the Hungarian government prioritises the rights of its citizens over illegal immigrants and doesn't want to spend taxpayer's money on indoctrination into a post-modern cult. It's not 'dodgy', frankly it's a beacon.

You two are genuinely reading like people who would have been praising Hitler in his fight against the 'globalist agenda'. The rhetoric, the behaviour of the regime etc aren't dissimilar. Dick, it's not according to me, it's according to numerous human rights orgs across the globe. It's simply that you two are so anti immigrant and right wing in your viewpoints, you're incapable of seeing how bad things are getting over there.

DickSwiveller Returns · 12-08-2018 8:55pm

meeeeh wrote: »

DickSwiveller Returns wrote: »

meeeeh wrote: »

Bwahahaha. Oh ok.

So how well did you study both to come up with this educated opinion?

Bwahahaha I don't have to study linguistics or philosophy to know they're established academic subjects.

DickSwiveller Returns · 12-08-2018 8:55pm

Putinbot wrote: »

I think it should be allowed. But you have to remember,just because there is a course on a subject doesn't mean it's right. Sure theirs courses on astrology and we all know that that is horsesh!t.

It is allowed. The State isn't paying for it because it's worthless.

Grayson · 12-08-2018 8:56pm

batgoat wrote: »

You two are genuinely reading like people who would have been praising Hitler in his fight against the 'globalist agenda'. The rhetoric, the behaviour of the regime etc aren't dissimilar. Dick, it's not according to me, it's according to numerous human rights orgs across the globe. It's simply that you two are so anti immigrant and right wing in your viewpoints, you're incapable of seeing how bad things are getting over there.

They know how bad it is but they don't care. They like it when these minorities are oppressed. They like it when the government shuts down media that disagrees with it. They like it when the government brings it's politics onto a campus. They know full well what Orban is like and they love him for it. They wish every country was like it.

DickSwiveller Returns · 12-08-2018 8:57pm

batgoat wrote: »

You two are genuinely reading like people who would have been praising Hitler in his fight against the 'globalist agenda'. The rhetoric, the behaviour of the regime etc aren't dissimilar. Dick, it's not according to me, it's according to numerous human rights orgs across the globe. It's simply that you two are so anti immigrant and right wing in your viewpoints, you're incapable of seeing how bad things are getting over there.

Ah I see you're coming from the the everyone who disagrees with me is Hitler school of political thought. I thought you would be in favour of democracy. Or is it only when you like it?

DickSwiveller Returns · 12-08-2018 8:57pm

Grayson wrote: »

They know how bad it is but they don't care. They like it when these minorities are oppressed. They like it when the government shuts down media that disagrees with it. They like it when the government brings it's politics onto a campus. They know full well what Orban is like and they love him for it. They wish every country was like it.

Ah we have a professional mind reader.

leonffrench · 12-08-2018 8:58pm

PlaneSpeeking wrote:

Gender Studies Degree ? 20 grand in debt at 22 with a piece of paper not worth a cent.

PlaneSpeeking wrote:

Great news - perhaps students can now get back to actual learning and not this rubbish.

Hey that's not true.... they recently opened a huge gender studies factory in Hungary and are crying out for workers with that qualification

Hotblack Desiato · 12-08-2018 9:00pm

DickSwiveller Returns wrote: »

It is allowed. The State isn't paying for it because it's worthless.

Yet our state pays for religious education, which is worthless, and theology degrees...

12-08-2018 9:00pm

leonffrench wrote: »

Hey that's not true.... they recently opened a huge gender studies factory in Hungary and are crying out for workers with that qualification

And Subway are always looking for staff

Grayson · 12-08-2018 9:02pm

DickSwiveller Returns wrote: »

Ah we have a professional mind reader.

I was right though. You'd love it if the government shut down every single college course that has any kind of left leaning curriculum.

Jurgen Klopp · 12-08-2018 9:03pm

Isn't this the same "dictator" that had laid out these promises such as forcing NGOs to show where every penny they got before his election and was re-elected in a landslide by the Hungarian people?

Imagine that, a people electing a politician who promised to not let them be overrun with illegal chancers or let the EU force quotas on then again the people's will, a people who were given a vote a year or two ago on whether they wanted any migrants taken in and clearly said no. A people that want all NGOs and Charities to lay out all their funding in case of foreign organisations or individuals pumping in cash to meddle in domestic affairs

It's almost like the people are guilty of thinking the wrong way, that could never be it surely?

batgoat · 12-08-2018 9:04pm

DickSwiveller Returns wrote: »

Ah I see you're coming from the the everyone who disagrees with me is Hitler school of political thought. I thought you would be in favour of democracy. Or is it only when you like it?

No, it's based on how much outright propaganda his government uses. Ireland is a lot more democratic than Hungary is presently. You clearly don't give a damn about democracy and like the fact that the views you hold in are reflected in a government, the means that they use don't matter to you. Human rights violations don't matter to you. There's a reason why Hungary is being viewed more and more as authoritarian.

Here's a piece on press freedom in Hungary. You'll likely view it as a stand against the globalist agenda.
http://www.spiegel.de/international/europe/hungary-sinks-ever-lower-on-press-freedoms-a-1206094.html

meeeeh · 12-08-2018 9:07pm

DickSwiveller Returns wrote: »

meeeeh wrote: »

DickSwiveller Returns wrote: »

meeeeh wrote: »

Bwahahaha. Oh ok.

So how well did you study both to come up with this educated opinion?

Bwahahaha I don't have to study linguistics or philosophy to know they're established academic subjects.

And sociology is not?

2 Scoops · 12-08-2018 9:10pm

"Ideology rather than science" is their stance which I believe has a lot of truth to it. Students are betting off taking courses that will help them in the labour market and get them ready for the real world.

DickSwiveller Returns · 12-08-2018 9:15pm

Hotblack Desiato wrote: »

Yet our state pays for religious education, which is worthless, and theology degrees...

Do you ever think about anything. You're far more obsessed with religion than my granny who's devout. I've already responded to that point.

cdeb · 12-08-2018 9:16pm

Jurgen Klopp wrote: »

Isn't this the same "dictator" that had laid out these promises such as forcing NGOs to show where every penny they got before his election and was re-elected in a landslide by the Hungarian people?

And whose immigration policies were put to a referendum which passed with a 95%+ majority. The naysayers boycotted it, which is a really immature way to treat a referendum, but still a greater percentage of the country voted in favour of the immigration policies than voted in favour of same-sex marriage here.

It does appear that some people are slightly intolerant of views other than their own.

Anyone got a course synopsis of what gender studies actually entails btw?

DickSwiveller Returns · 12-08-2018 9:18pm

batgoat wrote: »

No, it's based on how much outright propaganda his government uses. Ireland is a lot more democratic than Hungary is presently. You clearly don't give a damn about democracy and like the fact that the views you hold in are reflected in a government, the means that they use don't matter to you. Human rights violations don't matter to you. There's a reason why Hungary is being viewed more and more as authoritarian.

Here's a piece on press freedom in Hungary. You'll likely view it as a stand against the globalist agenda.
http://www.spiegel.de/international/europe/hungary-sinks-ever-lower-on-press-freedoms-a-1206094.html

I'm not a huge fan of democracy, no. Democracy gives us useless, spineless politicians, endless quangos, corruption, mass immigration, a terrible health service, no houses etc. etc.

You're the one who doesn't like so-called democracy and thinks every country should be bullied by allegedly benign NGO who most definitely are completely impartial (sarcasm). As for there being a "reason Hungary is being viewed more and more as authoritarian" why don't you think for yourself instead of believing what everyone else says.

DickSwiveller Returns · 12-08-2018 9:19pm

Grayson wrote: »

I was right though. You'd love it if the government shut down every single college course that has any kind of left leaning curriculum.

When did you discover this incredible mind reading ability? It's astounding.

meeeeh · 12-08-2018 9:21pm

I presume you equally admire Maduro? They are both made from the same stock.

Grayson · 12-08-2018 9:31pm

2 Scoops wrote: »

"Ideology rather than science" is their stance which I believe has a lot of truth to it. Students are betting off taking courses that will help them in the labour market and get them ready for the real world.

I shouldn't have done those philosophy degrees. They really hurt my chances of getting a job. :rolleyes:

Grayson · 12-08-2018 9:31pm

DickSwiveller Returns wrote: »

When did you discover this incredible mind reading ability? It's astounding.

Still not denying it are you?

12-08-2018 9:35pm

"Fake academic paper published in liberal journal hilariously exposes the absurdity of gender studies" (2017).

Nicolas Guéguen URL="https://arstechnica.com/science/2017/11/researchers-find-oddities-in-high-profile-gender-studies/"]Well worth reading the whole article[/URL
"Once a paper has been published in a peer-reviewed journal, there are a few options for raising questions about its contents. The journal editors can be contacted to request the correction or retraction of a paper. Or, if multiple papers across different journals are involved, a professional association or university can be asked to jump in. But if a researcher doesn’t cooperate, it can be an achingly slow and fruitless process."

And I could get a crapton more of the above. Simply google it yourselves... Gender Studies "research" is littered with examples of where "researchers"/authors have made up, 'misinterpreted', or pushed their research to support their own agenda(s).

Donald Trump · 12-08-2018 9:38pm

The thing I don't understand is this:

You have all these lesbians. Most likely licking each other out constantly. Yet, despite all that licking, it's never enough to remove all the sand from their collective gees.

Are they just doing it wrong or what?

Ulysses Gaze · 12-08-2018 9:45pm

DickSwiveller Returns wrote: »

I'm not a huge fan of democracy, no. Democracy gives us useless, spineless politicians, endless quangos, corruption, mass immigration, a terrible health service, no houses etc. etc.

You're the one who doesn't like so-called democracy and thinks every country should be bullied by allegedly benign NGO who most definitely are completely impartial (sarcasm). As for there being a "reason Hungary is being viewed more and more as authoritarian" why don't you think for yourself instead of believing what everyone else says.

What's your alternative?

Authoritarianism never works out well, as history has shown.

Taytoland · 12-08-2018 9:46pm

Putinbot wrote: »

Taytoland wrote: »

If you believe it should be taught and funded then you should think similar for creationism right?

I think it should be allowed. But you have to remember,just because there is a course on a subject doesn't mean it's right. Sure theirs courses on astrology and we all know that that is horsesh!t.

So the state should support such courses? With this argument you will have education on so many loony ideas such as gender studies.

I have seen some saying Hungary is becoming a dictatorship. Hungary had an election recently and the party in government and it's leader won by an absolute mile. Maybe, just maybe the Hungarian people agree with that parties policies on mass uncontrolled immigration and don't want it. Why can't middle class people in this part of the world see that?

Grayson · 12-08-2018 9:49pm

Deleted User wrote: »

"Fake academic paper published in liberal journal hilariously exposes the absurdity of gender studies" (2017).

Nicolas Guéguen URL="https://arstechnica.com/science/2017/11/researchers-find-oddities-in-high-profile-gender-studies/"]Well worth reading the whole article[/URL
"Once a paper has been published in a peer-reviewed journal, there are a few options for raising questions about its contents. The journal editors can be contacted to request the correction or retraction of a paper. Or, if multiple papers across different journals are involved, a professional association or university can be asked to jump in. But if a researcher doesn’t cooperate, it can be an achingly slow and fruitless process."

And I could get a crapton more of the above. Simply google it yourselves... Gender Studies "research" is littered with examples of where "researchers"/authors have made up, 'misinterpreted', or pushed their research to support their own agenda(s).

There's a completely different story to the one you're telling. That paper was published by cogent. Cogent are a subsidiary of informa and are what's known as a predatory journal.

There's a great article about them here.

https://www.theguardian.com/science/2017/jun/27/profitable-business-scientific-publishing-bad-for-science

The fact is that no-one actually cited that work. No-one actually believed it. What the writers exposed wasn't that gender studies is bad but rather that the academic publishing company is dodgy.

And the writers of the article even believe that. The point was to show how dodgy the academic journal was.
https://www.insidehighered.com/news/2017/05/25/publisher-explains-how-article-about-viewing-male-organ-conceptual-got-published
https://www.chronicle.com/blogs/ticker/hoax-article-in-social-science-journal-gets-a-rise-out-of-some-scholars/118526

the complex problem of pay-to-publish journals with lax standards that cash in on the ultra-competitive publish-or-perish academic environment.

The article you linked to decided to go down a completely different route, ignore the dodgy peer review and focus on the subject matter of the paper instead. They ignored that the writers actually paid someone to get the article in the journal.

DickSwiveller Returns · 12-08-2018 9:52pm

Ulysses Gaze wrote: »

What's your alternative?

Authoritarianism never works out well, as history has shown.

I haven't figured out an alternative but one thing I can't stand is this constant gushing over 'democracy', whatever it is. As if being given the right to vote for the same useless parties every few years is a fantastic gift we are given.

Keepaneye · 12-08-2018 9:54pm

meeeeh wrote: »

Ahhh bless another one who thinks it's about the subject of tge studies and not about making sure political critics are silenced.

This type of childlike naivety is quite endearing among 10 year-olds.

I wouldn't keep tabs on what type of childlike naivety you like to keep abreast of but listen, your little movement is being treated for what it is and it's great to see

.

DickSwiveller Returns · 12-08-2018 10:09pm

meeeeh wrote: »

I presume you equally admire Maduro? They are both made from the same stock.

Why is up to you, a sneering liberal in a prosperous country, to tell the people of Hungary or the Philippines who they should elect? You have a colonial mindset it seems.

12-08-2018 10:15pm

DickSwiveller Returns wrote: »

One of the Gender studies lecturers in UCD has taken the news well.

https://twitter.com/MaryMcAuliffe4/status/1027934366180286465

Pissing myself laughing at that idiots comments. Of course its another dent in the bullshít industry that leeches like her make their living on.

Sal Butamol · 12-08-2018 10:16pm

I don't think they should be banned.

I just wish that universities would stop pandering to these departments at every opportunity.

Only today I read an article about how white male professors in the UK will now be assigned younger black women as "mentors" to teach them about unconscious bias under a new government-funded scheme

This is the kind of ****e that gets pushed non-stop by these lunatics. This kind of nonsense is already endemic in universities here and is only going to get worse.

What is even worse is that if you dare question or ridicule them, you get targeted straight away for being "problematic".

Some of the worst bully tactics and censorship comes from sociology departments, it is high time that they go put in their place, in the corner with the other cranks.

Keepaneye · 12-08-2018 10:18pm

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Pissing myself laughing at that idiots comments. Of course its another dent in the bullshít industry that leeches like her make their living on.

Remember when being a Doctor meant something...?

12-08-2018 10:18pm

Ulysses Gaze wrote: »

If you are for Free Speech and exchange of ideas, you should be against this ban.

Doesn't matter if you like to content of the courses, you should be defending their right to teach them.

Well you see the thing is that these courses are actually absolutely useless and lead to at most if you are lucky a job in Mcdonalds flipping burgers after three years of brainwashing. These courses are scrapped because they offer nothing. the idea of college is to upskill people for the workforce

batgoat · 12-08-2018 10:18pm

DickSwiveller Returns wrote: »

Why is up to you, a sneering liberal in a prosperous country, to tell the people of Hungary or the Philippines who they should elect? You have a colonial mindset it seems.

Where do you stand on Hitler? Genuinely seems like you would admire him based on the crap you've posted in this thread...

DickSwiveller Returns · 12-08-2018 10:19pm

batgoat wrote: »

Where do you stand on Hitler? Genuinely seems like you would admire him based on the crap you've posted in this thread...

Here you go again. Not everyone who disagrees with you admires Hitler. Get out in to the world and talk to people with different opinions.

12-08-2018 10:22pm

batgoat wrote: »

Where do you stand on Hitler? Genuinely seems like you would admire him based on the crap you've posted in this thread...

Ah yes the old 'if you dont agree with nonsense leftist views you are obviously a Hitler fan'. :rolleyes:

batgoat · 12-08-2018 10:23pm

DickSwiveller Returns wrote: »

Here you go again. Not everyone who disagrees with you admires Hitler. Get out in to the world and talk to people with different opinions.

You have listed some countries with huge human rights violations and the likes of Philippines have government run death squads. The leaders you seem to veer towards are the ones who tend to have lots in common with Stalin and Hitler. Cults of personality, lots of propaganda and warnings of globalist plots. So seems reasonable to think you would have a level of admiration for Hitler too...

GreeBo · 12-08-2018 10:24pm

Ulysses Gaze wrote: »

If you are for Free Speech and exchange of ideas, you should be against this ban.

Doesn't matter if you like to content of the courses, you should be defending their right to teach them.

Do you feel the same away about creationism or flat earthers?

12-08-2018 10:31pm

Sal Butamol wrote: »

I don't think they should be banned.

I just wish that universities would stop pandering to these departments at every opportunity.

Only today I read an article about how white male professors in the UK will now be assigned younger black women as "mentors" to teach them about unconscious bias under a new government-funded scheme

This is the kind of ****e that gets pushed non-stop by these lunatics. This kind of nonsense is already endemic in universities here and is only going to get worse.

What is even worse is that if you dare question or ridicule them, you get targeted straight away for being "problematic".

Some of the worst bully tactics and censorship comes from sociology departments, it is high time that they go put in their place, in the corner with the other cranks.

To be honest they are not being banned but they are surplus to requirements because they are worthless in the real world

meeeeh · 12-08-2018 10:31pm

DickSwiveller Returns wrote: »

meeeeh wrote: »

I presume you equally admire Maduro? They are both made from the same stock.

Why is up to you, a sneering liberal in a prosperous country, to tell the people of Hungary or the Philippines who they should elect? You have a colonial mindset it seems.

My colonial mindset at least distinguishes between Venezuela and Philippines. They are not all the same you know.

Sweetemotion · 12-08-2018 10:36pm

batgoat wrote: »

Where do you stand on Hitler? Genuinely seems like you would admire him based on the crap you've posted in this thread...

dr.fuzzenstein · 12-08-2018 10:38pm

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Well you see the thing is that these courses are actually absolutely useless and lead to at most if you are lucky a job in Mcdonalds flipping burgers after three years of brainwashing. These courses are scrapped because they offer nothing. the idea of college is to upskill people for the workforce

In your own words, can you tell us exactly why these courses are useless? What is inferior about the information given in these courses?
Can you supply stats what % of graduates from these courses go on to start careers in fast food establishments?
Or are you just spouting sh*te because you're the cool and edgy dude?

Hungary Scrap Gender Studies Indoctrination Courses

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