Weekends Boxing 14/8 (Eric Donovan v Zelfa Barrett + Frampton/Conlan BT Card)

BagheeraBlue wrote: »

conlan is worse than feather fisted he will never be elite

Be careful with that talk here....😜

generalgerry wrote: »

I hear what you're saying, no two weight differences are the same, it obviously wasn't as bad as GGG vs Kelly Brook, but I just dont agree with it. It's dangerous. I'd say Eric has a sore head today.

Just saw Dillian Whyte is interviewed by Brian Rose on London Real this week. A bit surprised as he normally does business podcasts and hasn't had many sports stars on before. Will I post a link for you Norman?

He could have had a sorer head had he fought many “smaller” men.

Barret is not a big puncher..Eric simply not able to take a decent shot. Was hurt several times by several decent shots. Add this to his lack of pro survival skills, lack of real stamina, and lack of any power to retaliate and discourage Barret, and this is why he lost..

We’re debating lbs here and there...both men pretty much same size overall...

walshb wrote: »

He got caught and was hurt, tired, unable to defend..that is why he lost.

Not because of a possible couple lbs here and there..

Very similar sized men.

The size wasn’t the issue. He wasn’t being bulled around, roughed up, manhandled...

He simply could not take the shots from Barret, who is not at all that much a hitter...

Like I said, Donovan is a decent sized FW and SFW...he is not at all small at 130 lbs. 35 for chrissake. Not 22/23...126-130 ten years ago..

And he has been 3 lbs above 130 in a fight...

I do think 4 lbs can have a difference, but not in all cases, any when one man is 35, 5 feet 7 and who has fought above the weight class that he fought last night..

There are instances where 4 lbs can look like ten lbs...A small sized man at one weight moves up to fight a big sized man at the higher weight....

Your first sentence is correct, he was tired, he got caught and was hurt. He then didn't have anything to keep Barrett off and prevent him from landing the shots to finish it.

However it was a draining fight. It mightn't have seemed it because they weren't fighting in a phonebooth all night, but there was a huge amount of feinting, quickly darting in and out with the feet and constantly moving while trying to react and counter at speed.
If Donovan's shots had more of an effect on Barrett he could have stopped Barrett's surge (he seemed to make a conscious decision from the 6th onwards to press forwards), and slowed the tempo once he had Barrett backing up.......but he couldn't back him up.

Barrett's no Julian Jackson, but he's not a non puncher, he can crack a bit......and that will have more of an effect on a natural Featherweight like Donovan is not short at 130 lbs, but he's definitely small at the weight, you could see the difference in the thickness of their builds, and Barrett usually looks like a rake compared to his opponent.

Donovan weighed 133 in his 2nd pro fight, he had just turned over. He doesn't struggle that badly to make 126 lbs, and if it was 10 years ago he turned over, I reckon he'd be down at Super-Bantameight.
If Zelfa Barrett is still fighting at Donovan's age, I'd be shocked if he wasn't up at Lightweight (or above).

Anyway, we can argue those points till the cows come home. Donovan has already said he'll be back, but at Featherweight.

Michael Conlan up soon, so plenty of time for you to talk about his lack of power among his other flaws 😅.
I do agree about his power btw....

Big, we’ll see with Eric and what he comes back at...

Not sure why he’d be back..

For what? To take unnecessary punishment? Too old now for this game, as well as clearly lacking the ingredients for it..

The White Feather wrote: »

Does anyone know why Ofori here came out to Irish music? Of course maybe he just likes it

I was wondering that myself, he has the Shamrock on his gloves and all !

walshb wrote: »

Big, we’ll see with Eric and what he comes back at...

Not sure why he’d be back..

For what? To take unnecessary punishment? Too old now for this game, as well as clearly lacking the ingredients for it..

We will of course, but I'd be very surprised if his next fight isn't at least against a Featherweight (if not actually at Featherweight).
Matchroom and Sky seem to have been very impressed by how he's handled himself in and out of the ring this week.
If they take him as a 'home' fighter going forward I can see why there's value in staying on.

His goal when he turned pro was to win the European title.
Down at Featherweight, and with Matchroom backing, I don't see that as being that crazy a goal in the next couple of years before he hangs them up.

walshb wrote: »

Well, matchroom are full a hyped up sh1te, Big...

The way Hearn was waffle last night you’d swear Barrett was the next Roberto fooking Duran!!

Well that's true, however Eddie will have the last laugh with him selling decent crowds in the Manchester Arena once Covid issues are solved.
Regardless of ability he'll probably manoeuver him into winning a World title at some point too.....if he did it for Crolla !

I should have twigged on the Shamrocks/Irish music.
They're really pushing the Irish angle in the states for this card. Even Sharpe had red Shamrocks on his gloves.
So I'm guessing Ofori probably has no Irish link despite the music.

walshb wrote: »

What MC weigh in at?

His expecting to campaign at 122 tells me his team have no real confidence at 126 or higher..

122 for MC now, who is 29 in a few months will be a real tough ask to make..

Ok, MC 126 on the scales...and ripped to shreds looking at the pics

I suppose the big question is how much water did he have to lose to weigh in at that.
If not a huge amount 122 lbs should be fine.
But if he had anything close to his normal cut, 122 lbs is going to be a huge ask, he looks extremely lean at the moment !

Big Ears wrote: »

I suppose the big question is how much water did he have to lose to weigh in at that.
If not a huge amount 122 lbs should be fine.
But if he had anything close to his normal cut, 122 lbs is going to be a huge ask, he looks extremely lean at the moment !

Looks big in the ring tonight..same height as French guy, but looks a weight bigger!

walshb wrote: »

Looks big in the ring tonight..same height as French guy, but looks a weight bigger!

He's big for featherweight without doubt but punches like a bantam. Warrington blew this guy out in 2

Good round from Conlan there.

Is Conlan trying to get DQ?!

walshb wrote: »

Ha...

Nobody is that bad. I just think his accuracy a bit off...

No real malice..just a bit wild...

Making a serious meal ouha this lad..

I mean with the low blows

Higgins5473 wrote: »

Odd comment...any boxer is likely to be ‘tagged and ironed out’...his record and performances to date prove this isn’t likely to happen any time soon, what is it exactly you know?

Easy now, don't you know it's Saturday night and the self-loathing crowd are well oiled and.... they just can't help themselves.

Higgins5473 wrote: »

What what? Who has conlon fought to date that has been a poor opponent??? Your post was pretty obvious in suggestion.

Was it not?

Have you heard of boxrec?

Actually, forget that. Have you watched the opponents?

No disrespect, but are you on a windup?

MC is 3.5 years in now and has fought nobody...very carefully managed..

Not saying he should have been fighting top rated lads from day 1, but to date, not a single opponent r t you could call quality, or even close to it..Yes, pretty weak opposition..the lad tonight was dire...record or not. Old, stale and smaller man who lasted two rds with Josh Warrington..

Frampton looks like he has lead in his boots.

Higgins5473 wrote: »

The few posts of yours that Ive read seem to be entirely about disrespect in one way or another. You also seem to be talking through your hoop and know sweet fa about pro boxing. Night petal x.

Ok, so you were on a windup...

Asking ridiculous questions like who were the weak opponents MC fought?

His whole career to date has been against weak opposition, and even he'd tell you that...

Disrespect because I analyse the fight and give honest and educated assessments on performances and opponents......

Yes, nite nite to you too, sweetheart...

walshb wrote: »

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MC just doesn’t seem to have it. That lad last night was really weak, yet MC couldn’t put any clear type beating on him..It just felt like he had to try so hard to do any damage..

Yes. His lack of power will be his undoing at the highest level.