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Iranian B742 damaged in Doha

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    Stovepipe
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    this will be fixed in a few days and it's temporary absence won't make the slightest difference to arms shipments around the Middle east.


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    billy few mates
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    Stovepipe wrote: »
    this will be fixed in a few days and it's temporary absence won't make the slightest difference to arms shipments around the Middle east.
    It won't, at the very least they will have to replace the MLG...


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    Stovepipe
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    You'd be surprised; bulkhead checked, tailcone checked, tail striker checked. If they have to change the body gears, then that would take a couple of days per, using two crews on two shifts. The hard part of the operation is getting it down without further damage.


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    rivegauche
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    Stovepipe wrote: »
    You'd be surprised; bulkhead checked, tailcone checked, tail striker checked. If they have to change the body gears, then that would take a couple of days per, using two crews on two shifts. The hard part of the operation is getting it down without further damage.
    and who exactly who wishes to do trade internationally is going to provide spares or crew to an Iranian Airline for an old american plane? They can only canibalise one plane which has the adjacent registration code. Every inconvenience to the Islamic Guard translates to saved lives.


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    smurfjed
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    and who exactly who wishes to do trade internationally is going to provide spares or crew to an Iranian Airline for an old american plane?
    The same people who have kept them flying for the last 20 odd years.

    So are you saying that Qatar are shipping arms? or accepting them?


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    rivegauche
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    This isn't an economics or politics sub-forum so I can understand why the implications of Trump's withdrawal from the Iran Nuclear deal last year aren't understood; any business engaging in trade of any type with Iran risks having their money being confiscated by the U.S. if it passes through a U.S. controlled financial institution even if that money in that account has nothing to do with the transactions done with Iran. Once they've canibalised their old planes and no more parts are available their remaining planes are grounded too.


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    smurfjed
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    Once they've canibalised their old planes and no more parts are available their remaining planes are grounded too.

    After spending time in Iran, I have to disagree with you. They managed to keep the F14’s flying, so the 747’s should be easy, all they have to do is look to South Africa who managed to keep their fleets flying during apartheid.


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    banie01
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    smurfjed wrote: »
    Once they've canibalised their old planes and no more parts are available their remaining planes are grounded too.

    After spending time in Iran, I have to disagree with you. They managed to keep the F14’s flying, so the 747’s should be easy, all they have to do is look to South Africa who managed to keep their fleets flying during apartheid.

    South Africa had the advantage of fairly considerable Israeli and French weapons and technical support.
    And as they were fighting a proxy war with Cuba for quite a period of their "embargo" even US tacit support that meant that the British supplied Blackburn Buccaneer strike aircraft were kept operating fairly successfully during the Arpatheid Embargo. Similarly the Mirage F1s were surprisingly available during the period.

    Iran on the other hand are being stymied by the Americans in their attempts to source spares for their legacy fleet and are reliant on reverse engineering or Russia for their hardware.


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    BZ
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    banie01 wrote: »
    South Africa had the advantage of fairly considerable Israeli and French weapons and technical support.
    And as they were fighting a proxy war with Cuba for quite a period of their "embargo" even US tacit support that meant that the British supplied Blackburn Buccaneer strike aircraft were kept operating fairly successfully during the Arpatheid Embargo. Similarly the Mirage F1s were surprisingly available during the period.

    Iran on the other hand are being stymied by the Americans in their attempts to source spares for their legacy fleet and are reliant on reverse engineering or Russia for their hardware.

    In the last few months the Iranian Air Force has brought 3 747-200s that have been stored since 1999 and 2000 back into full operation. Its a credit to Iranian engineers what they can do with the limited resources.
    This 747 will be back in the sky before we know it.


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