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Irish Rail Medical Emmergency

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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,891 ✭✭✭prinzeugen


    ED E wrote: »
    No org will dare move somebody in such a circumstance. Far too open to litigation.

    Not true. Good Samaritan clause covers that provided the person has the right training and there is a further risk to the injured or others.

    London Underground do it and its in the first aid training I have done here also.

    Get the person of the train unless its spinal etc.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,036 ✭✭✭✭Del2005


    prinzeugen wrote: »
    Not true. Good Samaritan clause covers that provided the person has the right training and there is a further risk to the injured or others.

    London Underground do it and its in the first aid training I have done here also.

    Get the person of the train unless its spinal etc.

    A first aider isn't trained to do body checks and even with boby checks you can miss internal injuries, so you can't move someone. The only time you can move someone is when there is a danger to them.


    Does the UK award €60k to people who hit their leg off a table? Because that's the culture companies face when dealing with the public. So dragging a person off a train would be a huge payout.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,795 ✭✭✭Isambard


    Moving someone off a warm dry train on to a cold wet platform sounds somewhat inhumane to me, notwithstanding hundreds of people being held up.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,493 ✭✭✭✭coylemj


    Jamie2k9 wrote: »
    THe point being? There was still a train behind with up to 300 people onboard and all it would have taken is one to left and more to follow.

    That's what railway signalling is for. The train behind was held in Pearse and gradually trains were backed up at each of the stations down the line. There were no trains stuck between stations which would have necessitated a 'mass evacuation' for the simple reason that a train is not allowed to depart one station on that line unless the way is clear all the way to the platform at the next station and the level crossing gates between the two stations are all closed.

    I got stuck at Seapoint at 19:30 so in post #15 I estimated that based on there being a train stuck at each station up the line, the train containing the casualty would have been due at Tara St. at 18:19. Confirmed by poster NewbridgeIR (post #17) who was in Tara St when the train pulled in at 18:20.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 7,907 ✭✭✭Stephen15


    Isambard wrote: »
    Moving someone off a warm dry train on to a cold wet platform sounds somewhat inhumane to me, notwithstanding hundreds of people being held up.

    It wasn't even cold on Friday for start and even if was they could have used the station concourse.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,756 ✭✭✭✭Jamie2k9


    coylemj wrote: »
    That's what railway signalling is for. The train behind was held in Pearse and gradually trains were backed up at each of the stations down the line. There were no trains stuck between stations which would have necessitated a 'mass evacuation' for the simple reason that a train is not allowed to depart one station on that line unless the way is clear all the way to the platform at the next station and the level crossing gates between the two stations are all closed.

    I got stuck at Seapoint at 19:30 so in post #15 I estimated that based on there being a train stuck at each station up the line, the train containing the casualty would have been due at Tara St. at 18:19. Confirmed by poster NewbridgeIR (post #17) who was in Tara St when the train pulled in at 18:20.

    There was a train behind it, you directed me to a post which clearly states that. If it want the case it wouldn’t have been delayed 90 mins.

    Anyway its common for them to havw a train between Tara and Pearse at peak times (as soon as one arrives in Tara the next is sent out and usually gets stopped for a minute until Tara St is cleared) As soon as they become aware of a problem they ensure trains don’t get caught between stations however there are usually one or two that do.

    GCD-Connolly sections usually have trains between stations, if they didnt they couldn’t operate current peak schedules.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,891 ✭✭✭prinzeugen


    Del2005 wrote: »
    A first aider isn't trained to do body checks and even with boby checks you can miss internal injuries, so you can't move someone. The only time you can move someone is when there is a danger to them.

    I was trained to do body checks. And that was a bog standard Occupational First Aid course. (Here in Ireland btw)

    There are of course situations where you should not move someone. Fainting on a train is not one of them.

    The Civil Law (Miscellaneous Provisions) Act 2011 part 3 protects a person with first aid training provided they act in good faith and did not conduct gross negligence or malice.

    Volunteers and people that expect payment are exempt. (Ie people that are paid for being a first aider).


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