VW ID.3

Rusky rusky · 19-09-2020 4:26pm

PaulRyan97 wrote: »

Spotter this today in Cork. Have to say the moonstone grey colour looks fantastic in the flesh.

My car is a celebrity now:)

TitianGerm · 19-09-2020 4:28pm

Rusky rusky wrote: »

My car is a celebrity now:)

How close was that abandoned trolley to hitting the car?

Rusky rusky · 19-09-2020 4:39pm

Took it for a drive to inniscarra and coachford today on rural cork roads. The car drives well, though bobbs a bit on small bumps like a bus. Reminded me xsara Picasso I had 6 years ago. I found that the best driving mode for driving on country roads was in sports mode in D as it gives stronger regen than in comfort D but less than comfort B. In town i drive in comfort b but its very easy to toggle between the modes. Had to turn off the lane assist as it was plain annoying. Predictive acc is great on the n roads not so much no smaller roads. It slows down to the speed limit but It did freak out on the bandon rb bypass towards the tunnel as it thought the speed limit was 80 and dropped the anchors, though the speed was 100. Probably a software glitch. Acceleration is great, though my wife doesn't like it as much - gives it a headache apparently. GOM behaves really strange, jumping up and down when stationary. Maybe another glitch. Overall consumption is ab 15kwh/100km of very mixed driving:) sounds ok to me.

Rusky rusky · 19-09-2020 4:40pm

TitianGerm wrote: »

How close was that abandoned trolley to hitting the car?

It was there when I parked although my wife told me to move it:) I didn't but next time I won't park next to a loose trolley. Just in a case.

TitianGerm · 19-09-2020 4:40pm

Rusky rusky wrote: »

Took it for a drive to inniscara today on rural cork roads. The car drives well, though bobbs a bit on small bumps, I bit like a bus. Reminded me xsara Picasso a bit. I found that the best driving mode for driving on country roads was in sports mode in D as it gives stronger regen than in comfort D but less than comfort B. In town i drive in comfort b but its very easy to toggle between the modes. Had to turn off the lane assist as it was plain annoying. Predictive acc is great on the n roads not so much no smaller roads. It slows down to the speed limit but It did freak out on the bandon rb bypass towards the tunnel as it thought the speed limit was 80 and dropped the anchors, though the speed was 100. Probably a software glitch. Acceleration is great, though my wife doesn't like it as much - gives it a headache apparently. GOM behaves really strange, jumping up and down when stationary. Maybe another glitch. Overall consumption is ab 15kwh/100 of very mixed driving:) sounds ok to me.

The main question is if you're enjoying the new car though?

Rusky rusky · 19-09-2020 4:42pm

L-M wrote: »

Proper order. Especially the way the car next to it is parked

My golf has a back up camera and park assist which id3 doesn't have so I'm having temporarily issues with parallel parking. I had to back out every time to see the lines:)

Rusky rusky · 19-09-2020 4:42pm

TitianGerm wrote: »

I would have found a new space, over the far side with nothing around!! There's a chance someone would cut the corner there and clip the front driver side.

The moment you'll park away from everyone some bellend will park next to you:)

Rusky rusky · 19-09-2020 4:47pm

TitianGerm wrote: »

The main question is if you're enjoying the new car though?

Absolutely;)

TitianGerm · 19-09-2020 4:50pm

Rusky rusky wrote: »

Absolutely;)

Great news

you getting anyone coming over for a look or asking about the car?

Rusky rusky · 19-09-2020 5:42pm

TitianGerm wrote: »

Great news you getting anyone coming over for a look or asking about the car?

No but people do stare and VESS does attract attention:) I also think irish people to are too shy, plus the virus. Though I did see a women in ioniq almost breaking her neck starring at the car when I passed her on a narrow street in blackrock.

PaulRyan97 · 19-09-2020 6:20pm

Rusky rusky wrote: »

No but people do stare and VESS does attract attention:) I also think irish people to are too shy, plus the virus. Though I did see a women in ioniq almost breaking her neck starring at the car when I passed her on a narrow street in blackrock.

I did do a double take when I saw your car alright, saw the owner getting into it about a minute after I took the picture and assumed he'd thought I was up to no good.

Well wear though, cars looks fantastic. Must book my Golf in for a service to Blackwater Motors soon, might take one for a test drive, though I think I hear the new Golf GTE calling my name.

ddarcy · 19-09-2020 7:25pm

I know a lot of people are picking them up.

Are you getting the option of the 3 months first payments covered / 1000 for the charger? My dealer doesn’t seem to know about this, but I’ve actually read it in official press releases. So trying to get more proof on it anyways.

I just don’t want to be shortchanged when I pick up mine.

seant5215 · 19-09-2020 8:02pm

Ddarcy

This was what I received from the Volkswagen Ireland id team, direct your dealer to them and you'll be sorted out.

If you have ordered your ID.3 1st and register it before the end of October, you will be eligible for the 1st Mover’s Club. If you choose to pay by cash you can avail of either:
a) Up to €1,000 (incl. VAT) contribution towards your ID. Charger & Installation
OR
b) A 3 Year Service & Maintenance Plan
Your Volkswagen retailer will be able to organise and assist on whichever option you opt for.

Rusky rusky · 19-09-2020 8:29pm

ddarcy wrote: »

I know a lot of people are picking them up.

Are you getting the option of the 3 months first payments covered / 1000 for the charger? My dealer doesn’t seem to know about this, but I’ve actually read it in official press releases. So trying to get more proof on it anyways.

I just don’t want to be shortchanged when I pick up mine.

For pcp/Id plan - 3 months worth of payments should be transferred to your account 3 weeks after signing the contacts. We will see:)

PickYourName · 19-09-2020 9:02pm

Rusky rusky wrote: »

GOM behaves really strange, jumping up and down when stationary. Maybe another glitch.

What on earth is "GOM"?

Irishjg · 19-09-2020 9:03pm

PickYourName wrote: »

What on earth is "GOM"?

Guessometer

Irishjg · 19-09-2020 9:05pm

That’s interesting because both Chris from Battery Life and Bjorn have both seen the same behaviour on the GOM. I’m sure the upcoming software update will resolve this.

kris_2021 · 19-09-2020 9:06pm

Rusky rusky wrote: »

For pcp/Id plan - 3 months worth of payments should be transferred to your account 3 weeks after signing the contacts. We will see:)

I have it done differently. First payment in Jan 2021.

KCross · 19-09-2020 9:09pm

Rusky rusky wrote: »

GOM behaves really strange, jumping up and down when stationary. Maybe another glitch....

Battery life YouTube channel also reported odd behaviour there too... dash and infotainment showing different values and it dropping 2% without notice.

Clearly software algorithms not tied down yet.

Mr Q · 19-09-2020 9:13pm

kris_2021 wrote: »

I have it done differently. First payment in Jan 2021.

Same here. 33 payments starting in January

PickYourName · 19-09-2020 9:30pm

Irishjg wrote: »

Guessometer

Ah, thanks!

I thought you sounded a bit relaxed about something that was jumping up and down: it sounded very alarming to me!

Rusky rusky · 19-09-2020 10:01pm

Mr Q wrote: »

Same here. 33 payments starting in January

I guess we will see:)

Greenbin · 19-09-2020 10:46pm

seant5215 wrote: »

Ddarcy

This was what I received from the Volkswagen Ireland id team, direct your dealer to them and you'll be sorted out.

If you have ordered your ID.3 1st and register it before the end of October, you will be eligible for the 1st Mover’s Club. If you choose to pay by cash you can avail of either:
a) Up to €1,000 (incl. VAT) contribution towards your ID. Charger & Installation
OR
b) A 3 Year Service & Maintenance Plan
Your Volkswagen retailer will be able to organise and assist on whichever option you opt for.

Does anyone know what the service costs are like? Haven’t got to discuss that with dealer yet. Not doing pcp so it’s either €1000 towards charger or the service plan. Wondering where the best value is? Hoping to pick mine up next week.

Mr Q · 20-09-2020 12:53am

Greenbin wrote: »

Does anyone know what the service costs are like? Haven’t got to discuss that with dealer yet. Not doing pcp so it’s either €1,000 towards charger or the service plan. Wondering where the best value is? Hoping to pick mine up next week.

In the menu on the car screen it states "Inspection in 697 days" so it is hard to see how you would get anywhere near €1,000 value from the servicing. Unless this changes as your mileage does rather than a set period.

I think there is also a service plan which includes tyres so if it is this plan that changes things. The 20s are at least €650 a set currently and the 18s €450 without fitting.

VW would need to clarify the details of the service plan.

Cyrus · 20-09-2020 7:11am

Mr Q wrote: »

In the menu on the car screen it states "Inspection in 697 days" so it is hard to see how you would get anywhere near €1,000 value from the servicing. Unless this changes as your mileage does rather than a set period.

I think there is also a service plan which includes tyres so if it is this plan that changes things. The 20s are at least €650 a set currently and the 18s €450 without fitting.

VW would need to clarify the details of the service plan.

Presume it’s the same but the audi service pack with the etron is 1k and includes a set of tyres

Lumen · 20-09-2020 8:30am

Bjorn did 1000km in 10:48.

That's about midway between Model 3 LR and Kona, and only 18 minutes slower than an SR+.

Pretty good!

Little bit thirsty though, he predicts 250Wh/km in winter at 120kph.

Link to spreadsheet, not updated yet

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1V6ucyFGKWuSQzvI8lMzvvWJHrBS82echMVJH37kwgjE/edit?usp=drivesdk

McHonda · 20-09-2020 8:44am

Rusky rusky wrote: »

I guess we will see:)

My dealer explained that the first base has 33 payments but the first plus customers have 36 with a refund for 3 months later.

Mr Q · 20-09-2020 8:49am

McHonda wrote: »

My dealer explained that the first base had 33 payments but the first plus customers has 36 with a refund for 3 months later.

That would make sense as different people seem to have been told different things. Mine is 33 payments and a standard 1st.

Strange from VW though

ddarcy · 20-09-2020 9:58am

Mr Q wrote: »

In the menu on the car screen it states "Inspection in 697 days" so it is hard to see how you would get anywhere near €1,000 value from the servicing. Unless this changes as your mileage does rather than a set period.

I think there is also a service plan which includes tyres so if it is this plan that changes things. The 20s are at least €650 a set currently and the 18s €450 without fitting.

VW would need to clarify the details of the service plan.

[url] https://www.volkswagen.ie/en/offers-and-products/new-car-offers/id-finance-and-care.html[/url]

I’d say it’s the most spec’d out offer, so would include tyres. So the “L” plan. I would probably skip that unless the id.3 eats through tyres...

Irishjg · 20-09-2020 10:04am

Lumen wrote: »

Bjorn did 1000km in 10:48.

Little bit thirsty though, he predicts 250Wh/km in winter at 120kph.

Link to spreadsheet, not updated yet

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1V6ucyFGKWuSQzvI8lMzvvWJHrBS82echMVJH37kwgjE/edit?usp=drivesdk

Could work out at at 230km Motorway winter range and add in another 180km from a 45 minute top up. That’s good enough for most people’s needs.

Black_Knight · 20-09-2020 10:20am

Irishjg wrote: »

Could work out at at 230km Motorway winter range and add in another 180km from a 45 minute top up. That’s good enough for most people’s needs.

Throw in a buffer so you don't arrive at a broken charge point with zero range. Somewhere North of 200km motorway range in that case. 250km if your trip doesn't require a top up on route. Decent, but given its battery size and it's an EV from the ground up, it's a little disappointing when compared to the ioniq.

Irishjg · 20-09-2020 10:28am

Black_Knight wrote: »

Throw in a buffer so you don't arrive at a broken charge point with zero range. Somewhere North of 200km motorway range in that case. 250km if your trip doesn't require a top up on route. Decent, but given its battery size and it's an EV from the ground up, it's a little disappointing when compared to the ioniq.

The original Ioniq is a super car to be fair, great bit of kit considering it’s battery size. I would say however the Ioniq 2.0 is disappointing when compared to the 28kWh.

drunkmonkey · 20-09-2020 10:53am

I'm not getting inspired with much confidence here, thought I'd complete one of my regular runs without having to stop in a garage for a charge. I usually have minutes to spare to pick up the kids, definitely don't have an hour buffer. Broken charge point or waiting to use one would scupper me.

L-M · 20-09-2020 11:11am

drunkmonkey wrote: »

I'm not getting inspired with much confidence here, thought I'd complete one of my regular runs without having to stop in a garage for a charge. I usually have minutes to spare to pick up the kids, definitely don't have an hour buffer. Broken charge point or waiting to use one would scupper me.

Not trying to be smart but why would you buy an EV is a 200km/250 motorway speed range isn’t enough with only having “minutes to spare”?

20-09-2020 11:11am

ddarcy wrote: »

[url] https://www.volkswagen.ie/en/offers-and-products/new-car-offers/id-finance-and-care.html[/url]

I’d say it’s the most spec’d out offer, so would include tyres. So the “L” plan. I would probably skip that unless the id.3 eats through tyres...

Yes you can be sure the id.3 will eat tyres, all that torque form 0 and if People are having fun in it it will be a tyre shredded, well worth it though!

Thierry12 · 20-09-2020 11:27am

Black_Knight wrote: »

Throw in a buffer so you don't arrive at a broken charge point with zero range. Somewhere North of 200km motorway range in that case. 250km if your trip doesn't require a top up on route. Decent, but given its battery size and it's an EV from the ground up, it's a little disappointing when compared to the ioniq.

100kWh will be needed for family car's

Been saying that for years

Having to stop for a Dublin to Cork, Dublin to Limerick trip in Winter from an EV built from the ground up by best engineers in the world in a 60kWh EV in 2020 is embarrassing tbh

ID3 is Leaf thirsty at motorway speeds :pac:

VW gave Bjorn the ID3 last for a reason lol

the_amazing_raisin · 20-09-2020 11:28am

Has anyone had any luck getting the online owners manual? I tried putting my mum's vin into the uk site (can't find the Irish one) and the general vw site but it keeps saying vin not found

Thierry12 · 20-09-2020 11:33am

L-M wrote: »

Not trying to be smart but why would you buy an EV is a 200km/250 motorway speed range isn’t enough with only having “minutes to spare”?

Maybe because you'd expect closer to 300km from a modern 60kWh EV at motorway speeds, not 200/250km

We had nearly 200km from Ioniq years ago

drunkmonkey · 20-09-2020 11:33am

L-M wrote: »

Not trying to be smart but why would you buy an EV is a 200km/250 motorway speed range isn’t enough with only having “minutes to spare”?

It's advertised as 425km, was expecting maybe 250km motorway range with about 75km for normal roads. I wasn't expecting to have to cut the claimed range in half.
I thought that was a reasonable expectation.

20-09-2020 11:36am

Check out the link below for a very good look into VW's MEB platform and shows that the battery is both heated and cooled which may or may not be good news for cold battery charging. I expect that charging at 50Kw stations won't see a huge decrease in charging power but expecting 100 Kw with a cold battery is just wishful thinking. However if cold enough charging at 50 Kw could see much less so, the question is, what are the prerequisites for battery heating ?

Is there an option to preheat the battery on the way to a fast charger like the model 3 ? if preheating from the mains does it also heat the battery and if it does does it heat it to allow maximum charging power ?

For example, the BMW i3 heats to 10 Deg C Max and it's only purpose is to allow max acceleration and regen power, fast charging wasn't even in the minds of BMW engineers and if the i3 battery is cold enough charging power can be as little as 22 Kw shown at the DC charger itself which is a long way off the 53 Kw max when it's around 21 Deg C. But in the i3 if you start off on a cold frosty morning on a long trip with a pre-heated battery by the time you need to charge it will have warmed up enough to allow max charging power however, if stopped over night and need a fast charger the next morning charging can be very slow as battery temp drops over night.

So, will the id.3 be the same, heat only for max acceleration and regen ?

What the i3 does have is one of the best if not the best cooling systems out there because it's cooled directly by AC, no water involved and it's a very simple and light system.

In the article in the link below it shows the coolant pipes for the battery so there's no reason the coolant heater can't heat the battery and it also uses motor heat for cabin heat saving electric heating, what is confusing is that it mentions optional heat pump, I thought heat pump was standard in the id.3 ?

https://jalopnik.com/the-fascinating-engineering-behind-vws-electric-car-pla-1829257860

20-09-2020 11:39am

Irishjg wrote: »

The original Ioniq is a super car to be fair, great bit of kit considering it’s battery size. I would say however the Ioniq 2.0 is disappointing when compared to the 28kWh.

It's charging speed is but it must have much longer range which would mean less fast charging ?

Thierry12 · 20-09-2020 11:45am

Lumen wrote: »

Bjorn did 1000km in 10:48.

That's about midway between Model 3 LR and Kona, and only 18 minutes slower than an SR+.

Pretty good!

Little bit thirsty though, he predicts 250Wh/km in winter at 120kph.

Link to spreadsheet, not updated yet

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1V6ucyFGKWuSQzvI8lMzvvWJHrBS82echMVJH37kwgjE/edit?usp=drivesdk

Charging curve looks great, still pulling 50kW at 80%, 75kW at 50%, 100kW at 30%

Think that makes up for poor range

20-09-2020 11:46am

Black_Knight wrote: »

Throw in a buffer so you don't arrive at a broken charge point with zero range. Somewhere North of 200km motorway range in that case. 250km if your trip doesn't require a top up on route. Decent, but given its battery size and it's an EV from the ground up, it's a little disappointing when compared to the ioniq.

Except the id.3 is a lot more fun, a lot more power and rear wheel drive, though admittedly the ioniq hasn't the power for front wheel drive traction to be much of an issue.

If I had to make a choice I would take the id.3 over an Ioniq any day, why ? because it's much faster, more fun and it would meet most of my driving needs and charges fast enough for the odd time I need it, though we still don't know how winter will effect charging speed at a 150 Kw charger.

+ the id.3 has 11 Kw charging at Public AC points which might not sound like a lot over an ioniq but it it good when you need it.

Black_Knight · 20-09-2020 11:51am

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Except the id.3 is a lot more fun, a lot more power and rear wheel drive, though admittedly the ioniq hasn't the power for front wheel drive traction to be much of an issue.

If I had to make a choice I would take the id.3 over an Ioniq any day, why ? because it's much faster, more fun and it would meet most of my driving needs and charges fast enough for the odd time I need it, though we still don't know how winter will effect charging speed at a 150 Kw charger.

+ the id.3 has 11 Kw charging at Public AC points which might not sound like a lot over an ioniq but it it good when you need it.

Not saying the id3 isn't the better car, but the range of it from a 50kWh battery is disappointing compared to the range in the ioniq with its 28kWh battery.

20-09-2020 11:52am

Thierry12 wrote: »

Charging curve looks great, still pulling 50kW at 80%, 75kW at 50%, 100kW at 30%

Think that makes up for poor range

Warm battery speeds though, but yeah still impressive, nothing like the Etron sadly but few cars have a charging curve like the etron if any.

That's what I said in my previous post, the id.3 would meet all my normal driving on a single charge + faster driving on the motorway to and from work and if I have 250 kms from 100% a 30 min fast charge has the potential to get me another 180-200 kms that's not bad.

On a good day it tool me 30 mins to get from 20-85% in my old 24 Kwh leaf to replace maybe 13 Kwh, in the id.3 you can replace 30 Kwh in 20 mins, not bad. A cold battery and that could have taken 50 mins in the leaf.

Sadly the id.3 doesn't have traffic assist, but hopefully it will be an option later on and I wouldn't pay more than a model 3 sr+ to get the max.

Black_Knight · 20-09-2020 11:55am

Thierry12 wrote: »

100kWh will be needed for family car's

Been saying that for years
l

I get your sentiment, but I'd change it slightly to say 300km winter range will be needed for family cars. At least that's my benchmark. Doesn't need to be a massive 100kWh battery to do it, just more efficient than these lot. Tesla proved that with the S years ago.

Thierry12 · 20-09-2020 11:59am

Black_Knight wrote: »

I get your sentiment, but I'd change it slightly to say 300km winter range will be needed for family cars. At least that's my benchmark. Doesn't need to be a massive 100kWh battery to do it, just more efficient than these lot. Tesla proved that with the S years ago.

True doesn't need to be 100kWh

Ioniq would do it with ID3 battery

Thierry12 · 20-09-2020 12:06pm

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Except the id.3 is a lot more fun, a lot more power and rear wheel drive, though admittedly the ioniq hasn't the power for front wheel drive traction to be much of an issue.

If I had to make a choice I would take the id.3 over an Ioniq any day, why ? because it's much faster, more fun.

Seen as you've drive them all

Faster than Kona or slower to 100km/h?

Bjorns results will be up soon

I dont think its quicker than Kona, that thing moved when it hooked, Leaf 62kWh felt quicker too

20-09-2020 12:35pm

Thierry12 wrote: »

Seen as you've drive them all

Faster than Kona or slower to 100km/h?

Bjorns results will be up soon

I dont think its quicker than Kona, that thing moved when it hooked, Leaf 62kWh felt quicker too

I didn't test them via gps app on the phone so I can't say 100% but the id.3 did feel faster than the Kona, E-Soul + here's the really important factor, the traction on the id.3 is many times better than the Kona and E-Soul even in the dry and I'm sure in the wet, this traction loss in the Kona and E-soul has a dramatic effect to 0-100, it's not much of an issue in the ioniq because it doesn't have the power, I don't know why Hyundai gave the ioniq such little power.

+ the id.3 felt more powerful above 100 Km/hr.

The id.3 is a hell of a lot quieter than the Kona. It really is a quiet car even at 120 km/hr where as the Kona would almost require ear protectors.

I haven't driven the leaf 62 but again, traction is the real limitation.

eagerv · 20-09-2020 1:30pm

Well, I am happy so far with all the figures I have seen.

Driven normally on the roads (Non Motorway) that I frequent, expecting good range. Just a pity there is no Ionity on the southern corridor (Wexford to Cork).

Looking forward to collecting my 1st tomorrow at 4pm, was told to bring Cr card so he can sort out App and charging card for me. Dealer sent me a teaser..:).

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