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Mortgage - low fee for breaking fixed rate

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,153 ✭✭✭dinneenp


    I'm in same boat. C1, better rate for B3 or better. Phoned one BER company and they said 'technology has changed and they might be able to get a better rating'.......so it'd be €270 (or thereabouts) to see IF the rating improves.

    Would be well worth it IF it changes but if it doesn't, would feel like a mug.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,679 ✭✭✭Cape Clear


    At €270 it's probably worth a punt in my view. Was in a similar position myself and went for it a few months back. If you have paperwork relating to improvements it's worth showing them to the accessor or if you have builders drawing showing what insulation was put in first day otherwise I believe minimum figures are used in the calculations.

    Have a look at Bonkers.ie to see ho much would the change of rate save you over the 5 year fixed term.

    Post edited by Cape Clear on


  • Moderators, Business & Finance Moderators Posts: 6,543 Mod ✭✭✭✭Sheep Shagger




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,819 ✭✭✭mp3ireland2


    Is there anything you can do easily? Check all the bulbs were LED? Could you install a smart heating controller? See if any easy things to change on last BER recomendations.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,171 ✭✭✭Neamhshuntasach


    I got a break fee of 0 from BOI today based on current interbank rates.

    If i was to begin the switching process today to another lender, could it be a case of:

    the break fee increasing to a few thousand, fixed interest rates on offer today increase before completing the switch, and still being on the hook for solicitor fees? if I decided it's not worth it when about to draw down because of a break fee and interest rate increase.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 564 ✭✭✭Q&A


    Technically yes, interbank rates could move against you and your break fee could rise but is is extremely unlikely. Sentiment would have to change dramatically. Markets would have to change their minds about the expected future ECB rate increases. Given the ECB focus is on trying to bring down inflation it's extremely unlikely

    You can always break and go variable with BOI if really concerned.

    The bigger risk is your potential new lender ups their rates before you complete the switch.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,297 ✭✭✭walterking


    Assuming your fixed rate with BOI started before January this year, then there's is no chance of it being anything other than zero as there is no chance of market rates dropping considerably or even a smidgen in the next few months.

    You'd need the war to end and everyone shaking hands with Putin and becoming best mates with him and all within 2 months.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,171 ✭✭✭Neamhshuntasach


    Cheers lads. That's one fear alieved a bit. Just hope I can avoid any interest rate increases to the product I'm applying for.

    Started applying via AIB online tool on Monday morning and have since managed to to get AIP and all required info uploaded. Some has even been verified already. I think I was still filling in forms with my broker at this stage when applying to BOI last time.

    My broker actually recommended me to use the tool over him as it should be quicker. He's a mate and probably doesn't tell that to all his clients. So if anyone is debating between a broker and doing it themselves, at least with AIB, it might be quicker to apply directly. He has also stopped recommending Haven due to how much of a mess applying is. Was telling me that most his clients have everything done with AIB before Haven even begin reviewing things.



  • Registered Users Posts: 359 ✭✭vinniem


    If you are switching to a new bank, as above its like applying for new mortgage. It's a right pain, don't mind when people say it's easy because it's not!! But it is worth it for sure 👍



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 51,289 ✭✭✭✭bazz26


    ECB raising interest rates by 0.75%:

    Cannot see the banks not passing that on to customers. Glad I broke out of my old fixed rate last month that still had 12 months to run, refixed for 5 years with no breakage fee. New rate is slightly higher than before but if I was to wait a year until the old rate finished god knows what the fixed rates will be like then.

    If your on a tracker rate or don't have long to run on your current fixed rate I'd recommend looking at breaking out of those. I think we are in for a sustaned term of interest rate hikes.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,107 ✭✭✭✭loyatemu


    I broke a 3 year fix and went to 5 years at the same rate. Hopefully in 5 years time things will have settled down a bit; or they'll have gotten so much worse that interest rates will be the last thing on our minds 😬



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 837 ✭✭✭CFC007


    Has anyone had issues with getting the Deeds from BOI. Seems to be very slow which is holding up the switch. They have been pinged twice now.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,060 ✭✭✭chases0102


    Is it a case that until actual drawdown occurs, the rate you've agreed with your bank could go up? As in, even if you've AIP, just waiting for deeds or loan offer....until it's a done deal you might not get the rate you've applied for?

    Began process at end of June and this is where we're at, worried we'll be screwed



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 51,289 ✭✭✭✭bazz26


    It depends on the bank and how far along the process you are at. If you at an advanced stage where they have already made the mortgage offer to you then they more than likely will honour the rate you agreed at. They might put a hard stop date on the morgage offer drawdown in order to keep the old rate. I think on average it's 6 months from when the mortgage offer is made to you, but there can be exceptions to extend it a bit depending on the circumstances. Best talk to your mortgage lender.



  • Registered Users Posts: 655 ✭✭✭marvsins


    Was due to finish 5 year fixed at 3% with EBS next June. Rang on Friday about breaking and offer. No break fee and I'm fixing at 2.75% for another 5 years.

    Regarding comments on EBS breaking fees. We had a small top-up two years after original mortgage. It is a separate loan account. Paid off that loan of 22k about two years ago and there was a charge of about 250euro.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 135 ✭✭DeKing


    Currently have 3 years left on a fixed rate @ 2.8% with Finance Ireland. Got a letter after enquiring with them as to what my options are,

    3 years @ 3.50%

    5 years @ 3.55%

    10 years @ 3.15%

    15 years @ 3.15%

    20 years @ 3.25%

    Kinda inclined to stay on the 2.8% with 3 years left and hopefully rates will be something similar when the 3 years is up.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,297 ✭✭✭walterking


    I'd probably take 10years at 3.15%

    The peace of mind it will bring for a small bit extra would be worth it.

    Rates will stabilise and then start dropping back in 2024, but probably only drop back to 2% which is the ECBs long term aim



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,922 ✭✭✭Soarer


    Same as.

    10 years @ 3.15% is a decent offer in this day and age.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,679 ✭✭✭Cape Clear


    Have the ECB stated that a 2% interest rate is their long term aim? Don't recall seeing that before or are you confusing it with their aim regarding inflation?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,574 ✭✭✭Padraig Mor


    ECB's stated long term policy is for a 'neutral' interest rate (neither stimulating nor restricting the economy) of 1.5 - 2% (generally trending towards the latter) and it is generally *expected* that rates will settle there after rising higher for a period. One point to note is that - as far as I know, but open to correction - this neutral rate refers to the ECB's deposit rate which is different than the main refinancing rate which is what influences mortgages (if you have a tracker, this is what it's pegged to). While it varies somewhat, for most of the last couple of decades this main rate has been 0.5 - 0.75% higher than the deposit rate indicating a *possible* 'neutral' main rate could be in the region of 2.0 - 2.75%.....and then add your bank's margin on top of that!


    Of course, no one knows what's going to happen over the next year or two, least of all economists! 'The morkets' however have already priced in increases in the deposit rate to at least 2.75% (= main refinance rate of 3.25%) by next summer....and how long we stay up there is anyone's guess!


    Personally, I dumped my ECB + 0.95% tracker a few weeks ago in favour of a five year fixed at 2.35%. Considered a ten year fixed at 2.8% (11 years left on mortgage) but went with the shorter term in the end - may pay off, may not! (If you're an Ulster Bank tracker customer, these rates are still available....but not for long I'd imagine so time to make a call).



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,297 ✭✭✭walterking


    I couldn't have replied more comprehensively myself,😁 - ECB is on record with their "neutral to inflation" target and inflation target of 2%

    What people forget is that 0% was an emergency measure that went on far longer than anyone expected.

    Unless there's a catastrophe, 0% will not be seen again.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,679 ✭✭✭Cape Clear


    Thanks for the informed reply much different to a previous posters simplistic view of things.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,963 ✭✭✭Chris_5339762


    +1 on that as well. Take the 10 year fixed at 3.15%.

    Any savings you have at the end of that 10 years, dump into the mortgage too.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,904 ✭✭✭DeadSkin


    I'm in a similar position, dropped the tracker and went with the 10 year fixed, will have 4 years left on the mortgage at the end of it.

    Stupid question time, what happens at the end of the 10 years fixed rate, if you're lucky to be in a position to possibly pay off the mortgage do they just offer the latest interest rates at that time?



  • Registered Users Posts: 450 ✭✭StonedRaider


    You'll be offered the latest rate at the time once your fixed comes to an end.

    What I did at the end of my fixed with EBS was go variable for a month, pay off a chunk and fix again. In my case 7yrs @1.95% with the option of a 10% overpayment per year. Which I fully intend to do. We aim for a 17yr mortgage to be fully paid off in under 10yrs just because returns on investments have really slowed down



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,628 ✭✭✭barry181091


    Can someone answer this about fixed rate mortgages and new houses. There are new houses going up around m and now is the time to reserve and sign contracts. The thing is the houses will not be available until August at the earliest. Does that mean that you are at the mercy of the banks fixed rate at the time of draw down? Is there a way to lock in the rate now?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 553 ✭✭✭stdidit


    You can't lock it in. It's the rate available when you drawdown.



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