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January 1987

  • 12-01-2007 10:55pm
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    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,033 ✭✭✭


    After listening to the "Eagle" saying that this sunday 14th will be spring like, its 20 years since the last real big prolonged freeze up and the second major coldsnap of the 80s.The weather turned very cold on this day,sourced from an easterly direction on the 11th with a developing LP out of the Med and a exported siberian HP parking itself over Scandinavia.

    http://www.wetterzentrale.de/archive/ra/1987/Rrea00119870111.gif

    This was the start of a week long cold wintry spell with bitter easterly winds as the pressure gradient was squeezed over both Ireland and the UK.


    http://www.wetterzentrale.de/archive/ra/1987/Rrea00119870113.gif

    The east of the UK was hit big time with persistent snow showers measuring over two feet flat in some places and drifts of higher.
    We got our fare share here.Below freezing temps day and night and continuous snow showers with a organised belt of snow around the 15th iirc.
    The sleeves of my duffle coat:o(with a big furry hood:D my mother made me wear it) was frozed solid and showers were intense at times with thunder snow.The school boilers had frozed and there was no school for nearly two weeks.I measured 7 inches of snow on the first snowfall and more accumulations during that memorable week.

    Although not as extreme as 1982 it was however a significant event disrupting the country both in travel and infrastructure.It has been the last costly snow event in this country to date and no other snow events has any comparison to what went on in the 80s to date.

    Any of you 20 year plus folk out there remember this event and if so any stories or pics.
    If any pics attach them please as some people are on dial up.:)


Comments

  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,913 ✭✭✭Danno


    I remember it well, over a foot of level lying snow here in Laois. My uncle has a photo of it, will try and get a scan of it.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 404 ✭✭colmranger


    I remember it. On the Sunday the sky was very grey and it was spitting snow all day. At the same time that afternooon Liverpool were live on BBC prior to Sky tv and it was also spitting snow there all throughout the match.

    Then later that evening the snow came from the east and i think it fell heavy for between 24 to 48 hours.

    I was living in Kilcock at the time which is approx. 27 km inland from East Coast. (perhaps bit less as i can see the Pigeon House chimneys from front garden):rolleyes:


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,780 ✭✭✭✭ninebeanrows


    Desperate times aren't they - im talking about the present now :(


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,033 ✭✭✭Snowbie


    I couldnt agree more WC.Even if we got a bit of snow or cold snap at that,there is no comparison to what we use to get in the 80s.I dont think that out atmosphere over here nowadays holds enough of the cold energy to reproduce such events or sustained events anymore.

    But i like to be wrong on that.


  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 16,966 Mod ✭✭✭✭Gonzo


    I dont think its possible to get a winter worse than this one for cold/snow lovers so far. I think ive only seen frost once since November.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,033 ✭✭✭Snowbie


    Winter 88/89 was worse.It was muched talked about as the total opposite of 87.

    At least this Winter i broke the minus barrier and that was a December of all months.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,483 ✭✭✭✭Supercell


    Snowbie wrote:
    Winter 88/89 was worse.It was muched talked about as the total opposite of 87.

    At least this Winter i broke the minus barrier and that was a December of all months.

    Just looked up the stats for that winter on cso.ie and yep, that was a pretty crappy winter as well, forgot about that!
    Unfortunately I think we may beat even then, certainly the max temps have surely been beaten this winter.
    1988M12 1989M01 1989M02
    Casement
    Average Maximum Temperature (Degrees C) 10.1 9.9 9.3
    Average Minimum Temperature (Degrees C) 5.8 4.6 2.7
    Mean Temperature (Degrees C) 8.0 7.3 6.0
    Highest Temperature (Degrees C) 13.3 12.3 13.0
    Lowest Temperature (Degrees C) 0.7 -0.8 -3.0
    Dublin Airport
    Average Maximum Temperature (Degrees C) 10.5 10.5 9.8
    Average Minimum Temperature (Degrees C) 6.2 5.0 3.3
    Mean Temperature (Degrees C) 8.4 7.8 6.6
    Highest Temperature (Degrees C) 13.6 13.1 13.2
    Lowest Temperature (Degrees C) 1.0 0.4 -1.5

    Have a weather station?, why not join the Ireland Weather Network - http://irelandweather.eu/



  • Closed Accounts Posts: 350 ✭✭Ray777


    Despite being only 5-years-old at the time, I remember "The Big Snow of 1987" extremely vividly. In fact, it probably stands out as my very favourite childhood memory.

    Late on the Saturday night (well, probably around 10 or 11pm - which is exceptionally late when you're only five), my parents excitedly woke me up to tell me that it was snowing outside. It was only light, but they told me that the place would be white in the morning.

    You can imagine my disappointment when I woke up on the Sunday morning to find not one bit of snow on the ground (it's a feeling which I still experience to this day, as a result of reading the occasional ever-so-slightly optimistic forecast on this forum...). "Don't worry," my parents told me. "There's definitely snow forecast." Then, to add to my excitement, it started lashing hail on the way home from mass (ah, mass... like snow, another distant memory). Alas, It soon stopped, and apart from a couple of stray flakes in the afternoon, that was it for Sunday...

    On the Monday morning, my mother woke me for school and told me to look out the window. The snow had finally arrived. It was like nothing I'd ever seen before or since. There were around two or three inches of snow lying on the ground, amid blizzard conditions. Visability was so bad that I couldn't see beyond the top of the garden. I remember standing in the kitchen with my mother, beside the Superser heater, looking out the back window, both in complete amazement. It snowed for what seemed like hours, and then it was sunny on the Tuesday, but far too cold to for a thaw. And then on either the Wednesday or Thursday, just when I thought it was all coming to an end, we had another huge blizzard.

    All in all, it was an incredible, exciting week. At one point, the snow had drifted so high that the 4ft wall at the front of my garden was completely covered. My neighbour's rusty Datsun was stuck at the top of the road for three days. Even a council gritting truck managed to get stranded. My school was closed for over a week. There were threats of power-cuts, bread shortages, milk shortages, burst pipes. Not being fortunate enough to remember 1982, January 1987 was the starting point of my love-affair with snow. I haven't lost hope that some day, we might see a repeat of that kind of event.

    snowing.jpg


  • Registered Users Posts: 761 ✭✭✭grahamo


    Remember it well. As a teenager I got up and walked to work in Tallaght in snow that was knee deep. In those days jobs were hard to come by and you went to work no matter what. There was blizzards and with wind chill it was down to -14 degrees.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,600 ✭✭✭Cutie18Ireland


    I don't remember it (14th being the day i was born) but been told many stories about it...


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,033 ✭✭✭Snowbie


    I use to make a few bob 82 and 87 shoveling out the snow in neighbours gardens (remember the old green pound notes) and unfortunately 1987 was the last time i took a shovel to snow.20 years ago and its its sad really to think nowadays its far harder to replicate them days weatherwise.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 11,909 ✭✭✭✭Wertz


    This happened on my 13th bday, I lived in Co Monaghan at the time and the local lakes all froze up to the point where you could walk on them (although it NOT recommended).
    I vivdly recall myself and my mother going into town that night to get food from the new chinese restaurant and the car not being able to make it through the snow which was starting to drift at this stage and not a gritter in sight, so we got out and walked and then walked the 2 miles home...by that stage the first blizzard had died and the moon was out, all the fields and roads along the way home were glowing blue in the moonlight.
    No schol for almost two weeks that time :D, best bday preset ever.
    No pics unfortunately although I do have one of me standing beside one huge f*cker of a icicle coming off our flat roof in 82

    I honestly don't think the country could cope these days if we had a prolonged cold snap like that here now....it'sd be fun finding out though lol


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 3,129 ✭✭✭Wild Bill


    Yep - I remember this one - a short but very sweet outbreak of blizzard conditions.

    It lasted about three days, one of which was extraordinary in that the temperature didn't exceed -1C anywhere in Ireland from Valencia to Malin in a very strong NE airflow.

    In Dublin the accumulated depth was about 10" on the coast.

    A very severe but very fleeting episode.


  • Registered Users Posts: 769 ✭✭✭davidsr20


    Wild Bill wrote: »
    Yep - I remember this one - a short but very sweet outbreak of blizzard conditions.

    It lasted about three days, one of which was extraordinary in that the temperature didn't exceed -1C anywhere in Ireland from Valencia to Malin in a very strong NE airflow.

    In Dublin the accumulated depth was about 10" on the coast.

    A very severe but very fleeting episode.

    U do know this tread is 5 years old :o


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 3,129 ✭✭✭Wild Bill


    davidsr20 wrote: »
    U do know this tread is 5 years old :o

    Of course - is there a time limit?

    Does history expire at some sell-by date? :)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,201 ✭✭✭ongarboy


    It was interesting just now to read about folks reminisce about winters gone by and almost resign to the fact we'd never experience them again, little did they know they were about to encounter winters 09/10 and Dec 10 which would eclipse the 80s winters for longevity and temps (if not snow depths). Whatever happened to Snowbie btw? He was the first boards expert I used to rely on for predictions (albeit during snow drought winters!). He seemed to disappear when the white stuff returned to Ireland!

    fyi, I think Boards frowns upon dragging up zombie threads as it discourages new topics/up to date discussions etc. (eg responding to or arguing a point someone made 5 years ago would be considered rather pointless etc). I think they have something about it in the Boards code of conduct.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 3,129 ✭✭✭Wild Bill


    ongarboy wrote: »
    I think they have something about it in the Boards code of conduct.

    Ooops!

    I thought they closed redundant threads :o

    Must get around to reading that code.............


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,279 ✭✭✭Su Campu


    There's nothing wrong with bringing up an old thread, as long as what you're posting is relevant! January 1982 was a memorable event, and as there was already a thread on it, Wild Bill did the right thing in having a search first before starting another thread on it. It is duplicate threading that is discouraged.

    Some threads are started on a particular event - eg. the snow forecast discussion thread two weeks ago, and that thread was closed after the event as there was nothing more to add.

    Re January 1982, I remember it well. As a 6-year old living in north Co. Dublin, at 140 m, I can still remember climbing up the drifts along the ditches and not being far from touching the telegraph wires. My sister went out to the village for supplies but got disorientated in the whiteout and was lost for several hours. I remember they had to helicopter in supplies to nearby Oldtown. I wish my parents had taken some photos at the time.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 469 ✭✭blackius


    'fraid I remember both too.
    In jan '87 the avoca river was frozen in arklow with snow lying on it.
    Even the dec 10 spell didn't do that!

    As for 82-2 weeks off school and drifts up to the upstairs windows.
    No electricity either.The snow actually stuck to the wires and was a couple of inches thick on them so a lot of lines just snapped and those that didn't had tree's on them.
    The tractor here and car disappeared under the snow.

    Ah yes memories.

    For context though,in my lifetime for the longevity and severity of the spell and the depth at times,November/December 10 is actually number one for me even without 10ft high drifts.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,134 ✭✭✭✭maquiladora


    I only have some vague memories of the 1987 snow, a snowman being built etc. Nothing really sticks out so maybe it wasn't that bad where I grew up or maybe I've just forgotten.
    I think 1982 was a lot more snowy there but I was only a bambino then so no chance of any memories. :pac:


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,201 ✭✭✭ongarboy


    Su Campu wrote: »
    There's nothing wrong with bringing up an old thread, as long as what you're posting is relevant! January 1982 was a memorable event, and as there was already a thread on it, Wild Bill did the right thing in having a search first before starting another thread on it. It is duplicate threading that is discouraged.

    Some threads are started on a particular event - eg. the snow forecast discussion thread two weeks ago, and that thread was closed after the event as there was nothing more to add.

    QUOTE]

    Oops, my mistake then. I think I've seen on other forums where Mods sternly lock threads when someone posts on ones that have been idle for a year or more.

    I was 12 in 1987 and lived in Kerry so can't really recall any particular snowy event only that I know there was more snow during those years than the 90s.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 3,129 ✭✭✭Wild Bill


    ongarboy wrote: »

    Oops, my mistake then. I think I've seen on other forums where Mods sternly lock threads when someone posts on ones that have been idle for a year or more.

    No prob. :)

    Actually this thread is about 1987 - there is a separate one about 1982 which seems to attract more traffic.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,279 ✭✭✭Su Campu


    Wild Bill wrote: »
    No prob. :)

    Actually this thread is about 1987 - there is a separate one about 1982 which seems to attract more traffic.

    Jayz why did I read 1982 in the title??!! :rolleyes:


  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 5,221 Mod ✭✭✭✭slowburner


    Su Campu wrote: »
    Jayz why did I read 1982 in the title??!! :rolleyes:
    Wishful thinking. You wished you were a 6 year old in 1987:D
    It's been fascinating reading this thread - it's almost been historical, especially the posts about the lack of work in the '80's, as if it could never happen after 2007.

    I remember the snow of 1987 in Dundrum, very well. I can remember being woken up by thunder and the intense orange glow being reflected from the city streetlights. The sky was unbelievably low and as the snow fell, the increasing whitening of the ground reflected even more of the orange light. It was a weird atmosphere.

    The snow flakes were unlike anything that fell in the past few years - dirty great big wet flakes - so wet, that you'd think they wouldn't stick at all but they fell so heavily that there was a foot of snow on the ground by morning.

    Or was that 1982......


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 3,129 ✭✭✭Wild Bill


    slowburner wrote: »
    Wishful thinking. You wished you were a 6 year old in 1987:D


    I'd take being 6 in 1982 any day! :cool:

    I can remember the snow in 1962/63 and being in a car that got stuck in Main St, Blessington.

    I guess I could start a thread about Personal Memories of Winter 62/63 and have it all to meself ;)


  • Registered Users Posts: 836 ✭✭✭derekon


    Wild Bill wrote: »
    I'd take being 6 in 1982 any day! :cool:

    I can remember the snow in 1962/63 and being in a car that got stuck in Main St, Blessington.

    I guess I could start a thread about Personal Memories of Winter 62/63 and have it all to meself ;)

    Wow, that is amazing you can remember winter 62/63!

    Would you regard this as the worst winter (or best, depending on your perspective!) that you have ever lived through?

    D


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 3,129 ✭✭✭Wild Bill


    derekon wrote: »
    Wow, that is amazing you can remember winter 62/63!

    Would you regard this as the worst winter (or best, depending on your perspective!) that you have ever lived through?

    D

    Speaking only for the general GDA - for a single month nothing in my memory comes close to December last year - so you've seen the best of it! (I wasn't around in '47):)

    78/79 was a good one; repeated snowy episodes from Dec to, yes, May! (Well, a few showers in May)

    Then there was the school strike of February 1969 - three weeks off school that coincided with several days of snowfall followed by a big freeze.

    Several more good periods in the 70s; the 80s we have tapped here - the 1990s and 2000s were seriously meh in terms of any prolonged cold.

    Let's hope we are not back to meh again; I'd take the average winters of 75 to 87 over the next ten years and be thankful. :D


  • Registered Users Posts: 836 ✭✭✭derekon


    Wild Bill wrote: »
    Speaking only for the general GDA - for a single month nothing in my memory comes close to December last year - so you've seen the best of it! (I wasn't around in '47):)

    78/79 was a good one; repeated snowy episodes from Dec to, yes, May! (Well, a few showers in May)

    Then there was the school strike of February 1969 - three weeks off school that coincided with several days of snowfall followed by a big freeze.

    Several more good periods in the 70s; the 80s we have tapped here - the 1990s and 2000s were seriously meh in terms of any prolonged cold.

    Let's hope we are not back to meh again; I'd take the average winters of 75 to 87 over the next ten years and be thankful. :D

    Thanks for the trip down memory lane. Hopefully, we will be adding January and February 2012 to the list of Big Freezes! :D

    D


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,184 ✭✭✭Elmer Blooker


    January 1987 was actually a disappointment unlike 1982. A brilliant snowfall started to thaw immediately so it wasn't on the ground for long.
    This looks like a great chart but all it gave was anticyclonic gloom with temperatures above freezing even at night and the result was a lot of slush!

    Rrea00119870116.gif


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,589 ✭✭✭✭M.T. Cranium


    Here's an encouraging factoid -- temperatures were above 10 deg on 30 Dec 1986 just about twelve days before the eipic if short-lived cold and snow events of Jan 1987 erupted "out of the blue" -- check the charts for that date and see if you would be predicting such a turn from the pattern, realizing that there was no 10-16 day GFS in those days (I think, don't quote me on that, I'm sure there was no guidance past about 6 days in 1982).

    I was looking back at daily CET data for various cold winters (cold Januaries to be more specific) and that was encouraging too. In some cases, of course, the severe cold had arrived by Christmas (of the previous year), for example before 1795, the coldest January on record, and at Christmas 1962 before the coldest modern January. But in several other cases there were days as warm as we're seeing this year (just passed and in the near future) in this same time frame. December 1819 stands out as the best example, before a January that ranks in the coldest ten, there were several days with readings in the 8-12 C range as we're seeing in this current pattern. The winter of 1837-38 has been running similar to date on both sides of the Atlantic and then continues to do so compared to my LRFs in each case.

    The conclusion is that the current (seven-day rather than today) level of warmth is by no means a negative indicator for cold in January, although not a positive indicator either. The winter of 1986-87 in eastern North America started out rather mild and bland (similar to this winter, not quite as mild) and began to chill with a more active east coast storm track around the time of the European cold wave. I don't recall if there was a stratwarm in that interval or even what year they started to measure stratospheric warmings, would imagine the concept developed through the 1970s but don't remember the details. Another recent winter that showed a marked temperature drop in early to mid January was 1991 after a similar +AO event in Dec 1990.

    So be encouraged by all of the above, if you want snow and cold.


  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 5,221 Mod ✭✭✭✭slowburner


    Wild Bill wrote: »
    I'd take being 6 in 1982 any day! :cool:

    I can remember the snow in 1962/63 and being in a car that got stuck in Main St, Blessington.

    I guess I could start a thread about Personal Memories of Winter 62/63 and have it all to meself ;)
    Well why don't you? It would be fascinating.
    The only stories I heard from the horse's mouth, as it were, was of drifts of snow reaching the first floor windows of houses in Glencullen. And a girl I met who was born after her mother was transported by helicopter to hospital.
    I'm sure there are loads of stories to be told.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 3,129 ✭✭✭Wild Bill


    slowburner wrote: »
    Well why don't you? It would be fascinating.

    I might - but I was very young and would need the assistance of even older folk!

    I was in West Wicklow for Christmas and have but three clear memories; waking up on a Sunday morning to see the ground covered in deep snow and associated snowball fights; the drive to the Church in Grange Con, 4 miles away - with a tractor leading a car in tow that slipped and slid - and the journey home to Dublin (next day, a week later? -can't tell) that was abandoned in heavy snow in Blessington!

    And that's it :)

    Well, not quite - I remember going back down at Easter (April?) and noting the Wicklow Hills were covered with snow.


  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 5,221 Mod ✭✭✭✭slowburner


    Even though I am not nearly as ancient as you :D, I remember writing an essay for school. I wrote that the Wicklow mountains are nearly always covered in snow. At least they certainly seemed to be, for at least six months of the year.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 3,129 ✭✭✭Wild Bill


    Anyways....back to 1987 :rolleyes:


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,810 ✭✭✭Calibos


    Interesting factoid. Bray got triple the amount of snow during the 87 event as in the whole 1 month period last year. Did the isle of man not have a shadow in those days :D


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  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 3,129 ✭✭✭Wild Bill


    Calibos wrote: »
    Interesting factoid. Bray got triple the amount of snow during the 87 event as in the whole 1 month period last year. Did the isle of man not have a shadow in those days :D

    Yep. I lived in Bray in '87 and it was snowy!

    As good as '82 - but only a three day wonder, with no Big Freeze afterwards; in fact the final day started with a prolonged blizzard till mid afternoon (:D) then the temp went above zero and a thaw was well under way by evening (:().


  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 5,221 Mod ✭✭✭✭slowburner


    Wild Bill wrote: »
    Anyways....back to 1987 :rolleyes:
    :confused:


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 3,129 ✭✭✭Wild Bill


    Following the thread....:)

    We have toured several different winters!

    (I'm practicing to become a moderator :D)


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,693 ✭✭✭Redsunset


    Here's an encouraging factoid -- temperatures were above 10 deg on 30 Dec 1986 just about twelve days before the eipic if short-lived cold and snow events of Jan 1987 erupted "out of the blue" -- check the charts for that date and see if you would be predicting such a turn from the pattern, realizing that there was no 10-16 day GFS in those days (I think, don't quote me on that, I'm sure there was no guidance past about 6 days in 1982).

    I was looking back at daily CET data for various cold winters (cold Januaries to be more specific) and that was encouraging too. In some cases, of course, the severe cold had arrived by Christmas (of the previous year), for example before 1795, the coldest January on record, and at Christmas 1962 before the coldest modern January. But in several other cases there were days as warm as we're seeing this year (just passed and in the near future) in this same time frame. December 1819 stands out as the best example, before a January that ranks in the coldest ten, there were several days with readings in the 8-12 C range as we're seeing in this current pattern. The winter of 1837-38 has been running similar to date on both sides of the Atlantic and then continues to do so compared to my LRFs in each case.

    The conclusion is that the current (seven-day rather than today) level of warmth is by no means a negative indicator for cold in January, although not a positive indicator either. The winter of 1986-87 in eastern North America started out rather mild and bland (similar to this winter, not quite as mild) and began to chill with a more active east coast storm track around the time of the European cold wave. I don't recall if there was a stratwarm in that interval or even what year they started to measure stratospheric warmings, would imagine the concept developed through the 1970s but don't remember the details. Another recent winter that showed a marked temperature drop in early to mid January was 1991 after a similar +AO event in Dec 1990.

    So be encouraged by all of the above, if you want snow and cold.
    Winter of 1837/38
    This severe winter was called "Murphy's winter"; Patrick Murphy won fame and a small fortune from the sale of an almanac in which he predicted the severe frost of January 1838 (a 2 month frosty period set in with a light SE wind & fine day with hoar frost on the 7th (or 8th) January). 20th January 1838: Lowest temperatures (known / accepted) of the 19th century in London; -16degC reported at Greenwich about sunrise (close to minimum time), -20degC at Blackheath, -26degC at Beckenham (Kent). The temperature in Greenwich was -11degC at midday. The Thames at Greenwich was completely covered with ice at high water on the 27th January 1838 & elsewhere, ice floes were reported in the Thames or the Estuary.Considerable snowfall across Scotland. However a late start to the winter, with as late as the 6th January, the weather being reported as mild with farmers well on with the work. After the 8th, hard frosts & snow then became a feature of the winter/early spring, with further notes of disrupted mails, hardship for people and livestock. In some parts of northern Scotland, snow was noted to fall on most days between January 8th & May 3rd. snow was also noted in upland areas of NE Scotland in June.A cold winter across England & Wales. (Easton, in CHMW/Lamb): Using the CET record, the average across December / January / February was 1.4degC, or nearly 21/2C below the all-series mean. December was not particularly extreme, but January, with a value of -1.5degC, was in the 'top-10' of coldest Januarys, whilst February, with a mean value of 0.4degC, lay just outside the top-10 coldest such-named months in the same record.
    Well i would not mind a repeat of that,and now to your other question,

    Yes there was a Major Midwinter Stratospheric Warming in the winter of 86/87.

    In fact Nov and Dec had very cold Strat conditions like we're experiencing now,here is the data,
    Now -76c Dec -78c Jan -60* QBO -East
    * indicates the occurrence of a Major Mid-Winter Warming; C stands for a cold monthly mean, CW stands for Canadian Warming, FW stands for Final Warming
    104026.JPG
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    500mb Geopotential Heights for Nov and Dec 1986 show low heights to our north like now.
    186216.JPG

    500mb Geopotential Heights for much of Jan 87

    186215.JPG

    archives-1987-1-13-0-0.png

    archives-1987-1-13-0-1.png

    Not saying something like this will happen again but those that are so smug now saying winter is over, because its mild now and models not showing anything are not seeing past their nose. Sure, it could stay mild for the whole winter,but to say things are practically done and dusted is laughable to be honest. Yes I'm a big coldie fan and don't hide it and if it does indeed turn out to be mild then so be it roll on the next winter. Just pointing out that the weather can and will change at the drop of a hat, We don't know,only try to match similar situations that happened in the past.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,693 ✭✭✭Redsunset


    Record Cold Spell of 1987: How It All Started

    It is well accepted that the most severe spell of weather in southern England since the 'Little Ice Age' occurred in the unlikely year of 1987 in an otherwise 'average' winter.

    So what brought about such a severe spell and why did it end as quickly as it started.

    The story begins in the first few days of January 1987, looking at the surface chart a cold spell seemed miles away as a strong High of 1032mb sat over Spain with the U.K. and Western Europe in a strong Westerly flow, temperatures through most of Europe were above normal, however in Scandinavia and Northwest Russia it was intensely cold.

    The first change occurred quickly on the 2nd as the Iberian High shifted Westwards and low pressure transferred into the North Sea, a brief Northerly swept south across the U.K. but it was hardly cold.

    By Sunday 4th High pressure was back over France with the U.K. in another mild flow, however by now the models thought something was up and on the Countryfile forecast on the 4th the forecast was for a short but very cold Northeasterly outbreak mid week as low pressure crossed Holland. The models however predicted that the Arctic outbreak would be short and that milder westerly winds would take over again by the weekend.

    The short cold spell was in fact a non-event as rising pressure over Ireland killed off the Arctic Airflow and by the 7th High pressure was centered over the Irish Sea and the weather cool and quiet.

    By the 7th the models still couldn’t decide which way things were going to go and the Met. Office remained silent about prospects for the weekend.

    Things then moved very quickly, a deepening low moved south across Norway on the 8th and into Germany by the 9th and behind this low there was a massive rise in pressure over Scandinavia. At the same time a large pool of intensely cold air had swept out of Western Russia and was crossing Poland and East Germany, at last the models could see what was going to happen and early on the 9th the message went out: 'Very Cold later in the weekend'.

    Meanwhile pressure continued to rise over Scandy reaching 1040mb over Finland by the 10th. Sub freezing air reached Eastern England on the afternoon of the 10th and this very cold air reached all areas by dawn on the 11th.

    The Countryfile Forecast on the 11th was a 'classic' John Kettley saying "The only bright thing on this forecast is my tie!" He rightly predicted freezing temperatures and blizzards all week although even now the depth of the cold was being under estimated.

    During the day temperatures kept on falling as snow showers became more intense, Monday 12th was probably one of the most remarkable days of the 20th Century as temperatures stayed below -5c throughout England and below -8c in several places in the home Counties.

    The Weather Log for Jan. 1987 describes the 12th-14th as the coldest spell of weather in southern England since January 1740.

    Over the next few days the U.K. was swept by blizzards and freezing temperatures as an upper cold pool crossed England.

    The models showed no sign of a break in the weather and on the Countryfile Forecast on January 18th the forecast was for a very cold but drier week, however within 24 hours this forecast went wrong.

    During the 19th a warm front crossed the U.K. cutting off the continental feed and high pressure then formed in the warm sector.

    By the 20th temperatures of 4c-6c were recorded over most parts and a steady thaw began. The next 10 days were dull and sunless the severe spell becoming a distant memory.

    The interesting thing about the cold spell is the poor performance of the forecast models even up to +72 hours, O.K. computers are better now but I still think they would struggle with a similar chain of events.


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