Dublin - BusConnects

BonnieSituation wrote: »

Am I missing something in your post?

Here's Heuston as part of the Lucan Road proposals:

Have a look at where queen st meets the quays the designs don't match

I note that the media is distracted with corona. Whether that's a good thing or a bad thing is up to you. The media usually do hatchet jobs on pt infrastructure. And write from the point of view of low iq skoda drivers who only read headlines.

That Luas platform at Heuston Station is normally 3 platforms. The NTA must be cutting off the extra platform in the middle there with that CBC proposal with the Liffey cycle route. Are there no trams that terminate at Heuston anymore? I'm thinking that it is Connolly - Red Cow for short journeys rather than Connolly - Heuston.

The 2 way traffic with the bus shelters outside Heuston is confusing to note as well. One of the proposed bus stops located right outside Heuston is near a road marking which goes onto the Heuston car park. It will be a disaster if buses terminate there like the Airlink & will have the potential to hold up traffic behind them unless it was for buses only? I don't get why there is a right turn available at the lights as soon the Luas leaves for/arrives from St James Hospital. And there is no left turn available coming in from the N7. Why is that? It seems very pointless having that no left turn restriction there. If a bus comes down from the Ballyfermot or N7 direction it will have to continue to drive straight ahead when it gets to the next stops on the quays.

Last Stop wrote: »

Ahhhh I see the cycle lane now.
All I can say is wow!!
So what they are actually doing is removing the platform nearest the station (the one currently used to travel to the city centre) to accommodate a cycle lane.
They seriously expect that the massive crowds who use that platform every morning are now going to have to cross the cycle lane and the Luas track to board.

That’s an accident waiting to happen!! I mean there is often security on that platform due to the amount of people. Add in the fact that there is no ticketing machines on the island and it’s just idiotic.

There still is a service between Heuston and Connolly every morning too using the middle platform.

Yep. I can see it. That is a really awful design. It is way too thin, going from the map drawings, to have the cycle lane pass the Luas in that section of the line.

Realign does not mean remove.

It's just a line, probably from another layer in their drawing software which should have been turned off. It is not supposed to be a cycle lane.

MJohnston wrote: »

You really just can't hold your hands up and admit you got it wrong?

people need to make more use of Boards' "ignore" function.

Pete_Cavan wrote: »

I see that they are proposing to shift the Scherzer bridges either side and put a new full width road bridge in between.

they show a 2-way cycle lane all the way down to the Beckett bridge, but there's no way there's space for a cycle lane and footpath where the Dublin Docklands office building is.

Pete_Cavan wrote: »

That building is to be demolished to make way for the white water rafting course building which I assume will be a bit narrower. The road also looks like it will be a bit narrower.

The rafting centre is in Georges Dock, the Docklands office building is on the river side of the quays here: https://goo.gl/maps/a6LuCjLaN4c1s6id8

I haven't heard of any plans to demolish it though as the DDDA is long gone, I'm not sure what it's now used for (extra offices for the council I guess, and somewhere for kids to jump off into the river).

Spanish Eyes wrote: »

I've been reading the maps and the info and am a bit confused about the Oval junction, wonder if you know more.

Seems to me that there will a right turn bus only from R148 to the Old Lucan Road serving Stewarts and Palmerstown Village. There are currently no buses serving the village apart from the 18 which does not use R148 anyway. But I guess they are going to get maybe the local no.26 to serve the village or something.

It's not clear, but I am thinking the the current North side of the Oval/Applegreen/R148 junction will have buses turning left inbound onto the Chapelizod by pass.

I presume this means that car traffic will no longer be able to use the Northside of the junction if it is to be bus only. Can see Kennelsfort Junction rammed as a result, but hey ho.

This is the Lucan route 06.

At the R148 signalised junction with the Old Lucan Road/the Oval a new westbound, bus only, right turn lane is provided on the R148 to facilitate bus services serving Palmerstown Village. An additional strip of land acquisition will be required from the western edge of the petrol filling station at this location to accommodate this new bus movement which was not included in the EPR. In addition, new bus stops are provided on the Old Lucan Road to serve Mill Lane/Stewarts Hospital

Here's an image of the plan for the Oval junction:
No indication as to what bus will use the Village now but as you say, it would make sense for the 26 to now use this section of Mill Lane and continue through the village and turn left up the Kennelsfort Road (If it is to continue its current routing).

Always remember that the lands at the Kennelsfort junction exist as they do as a freeflow junction was accommodated for in its original construction.

spacetweek wrote: »

You could remove the trees.

still wouldn't be enough space but as others have pointed out that building is due to be replaced by a (presumably) narrower one.

William Legrande wrote: »

The new plans for Shankill don't look as vandalistic as before, at least at first sight.

they've basically given up on any bus or cycle priority in Shankill Village. On street parking remains though.

tom1ie wrote: »

One question I have about these orbitals:
Will there be continuous bus lanes/ bus priority on these routes and if so how long before this infrastructure is in place to service the new orbitals.
Thanks.

Apologies only seen the mid note after I posted.
Off to the bus connects forum with me!!

To answer this question posted in the Metrolink thread, at the moment the only infrastructure planned is on the radial routes to/from the city centre.

Any infrastructure on the orbital routes will follow after the radial routes are completed.

To be fair some of the roads served by the planned outer orbital routes do already have some bus priority measures in place, but on many of the inner routes, the notion of continuous bus lanes is fanciful to say the least given the lack of available space.

While the delivery of the additional orbital routes is long overdue, I’d have serious concerns about how effective the likes of the O, S2 and S4 can be if they’re likely to be snarled up in the diverted traffic from the radial corridors, given that those routes are significantly down the pecking order for bus priority infrastructure.