Manchester United Teamtalk/Transfer Rumours/Gossip 2020/21- Mod Notes OP [17/10/20]

Weepsie wrote: »

Ehm beckham was turfed out, Keane eventually too, and they were all dropped at points too. Lee Sharpe sent in his way, Yorke and stam. Not all for footballing reasons.


Every single one of them are/were significantly better players too, and all with the exception of maybe Evra more important to the team than Maguire is and will be.

Club came first. Without exception..only Rooney towards the end seemed to get some sort of leeway as I think Ferguson thought he could protect him or something the way people said he would have Gascoigne

That was in a time when we could afford to turf out quality players and still be successful. We aren’t good enough to offload maguire because there are already plenty of issues that need to be fixed.

Keane was well past his best to be fair. SAF regretted selling Stam. Becks, I think we still won a league or two after he left.

I suppose I think we are in a situation where we need Maguire more then he needs us. There aren’t a lot of top quality CBs these days, we are struggling to even find him a decent partner.

Weepsie wrote: »

Stam left and we finished third (worst league finish in 12 yrs)and we were gash in Europe. We won the following year fair enough. Then Beckham left and we didn't win anything for 3 years outside an fa cup.

The pace thing is b0llox too. They didn't decide after 1 game to sell him. If they were so worried about it, he wouldn't have been replaced by Laurent Blanc. A personal disagreement happened, which is not the only time it happened with Ferguson. Get on his wrong side, and he was not afraid to move on from you.


Getting rid of stam was a stupid mistake. Getting rid of Beckham was a gamble. We were worse off short term, better off mid-long term.


Maguire is to me more readily replaceable than any of these players were though. Our defence is back to the level it was 2 seasons ago, pre Maguire.

Who do we replace Maguire with? And who else do we sign to partner Maguires replacement? I think selling Maguire to take some sort of moral stance is cutting off your nose to spite your face. There is no benefit to offloading him unless he’s a problem in the dressingroom or on the pitch.

Your Airbag wrote: »

Fair enough if you want to drop it but I disagree that its not a big deal. Sure there a far bigger problems in the world but its the Utd thread and in the Utd world this is big news.

This guy is our captain, his character and influence is very important as he has been put in a leadership/role model position.

He's gone on holiday got himself arrested and has piled some wild accusations on top of what was originally said. He was in a bar spending 60k on booze and drawing all lot of attention to himself and for whatever reasons its gone t*ts up and the police were called, they didn't just happen by the place, they were called for a reason.

He has now just gone to BBC news, not sky news, not a statement through his agent but he's gone to one of the worlds biggest national televised media organizations and given an interview where he can barley look the interviewer in the eye when giving his side of story, his eyes are firmly planted on the floor everytime he gives his side of the story, im no language expert but this is a give away sign of one thing.

He also turns up for the interview in shorts with blemish free legs and talks about how when they arrived at the police station, how he dropped to his knees with his hands in the air and the police start assaulting him specifically targeting his legs, did the only attack him above the shorts line? Crazy stuff along with fearing for his life and the fear of being kidnapped.

As our captain I'm surprised at how weak he has seemed throughout and the complete lack of common sense he has showed during this whole story. Its very immature and imo the captaincy would be better off for the whole team with a more strong willed individual regardless of Maguires innocence.

If Maguire has given that interview without ok'ing it with the club first then I would be livid if I was Ole. If the club ok'ed it they need better PR consultation. Someone needs to take Harrys aside and say no more interviews or stories about what happened, just stay quite and concentrate on kicking and heading the ball as best you can, interaction with the media is not your thing.

I’ve had my run in with the police in the past when I was younger. I don’t have a criminal record (was more I was just a bit of a wild child) but I could easily of had certain things that could of tarnished me for life had I come up against Gardaí who were determined to brand me a criminal or “teach me a lesson”.

When I read Maguires story of events , I can see how events may unfold exactly how he says in his eyes. Particularly if plain clothed police stopped their bus in the middle of nowhere, that’s just nuts, why not at least wait until he gets back to his digs?

When I see how quickly everybody is to judge him and some even brand him a criminal, I just reject the insinuation that he’s some irredeemable person that now needs to be beaten down (sold, career ruined) even if it was one drunken mistake. I think the response to what’s happened is disproportionate to what has allegedly happened. I don’t think one incident like this should he used to define a persons character or career.

Assault of an officer and bribery are a extremely surprising charges to be thrown at a person in their mid 20s who has no previous convictions or issues with the law. It really doesn’t stack up and I’d say is at worst it’s mostly down to a panicked person not really understanding what was going on when police arresting them. Should A players career be defined because of that? Is that a person that should be branded a person who bribes and assaults police?

My family has also personally been on the wrong side of law in terms of it protecting the criminals on technicality that left my dad struggling financially until he died. So I don’t see the law and convictions as black and white as some people try to paint them. The truth is I don’t know what happened on his holidays but I can see how his story can stack up without some mad conspiracy.

In terms of his character, some of the hardest people in sport are quite shy outside of a pitch. Some are also very fragile individuals. I remember watching a documentary called gladiators about the hatchet men in ice hockey whose only job was to come on and start fights. One of the hardest admitted he was constantly afraid. I myself had a name for being a very aggressive and tough player on field. I can admit I’d start fights and didn’t want to fight. So I suppose what I’m saying is that I don’t place too much weight on these sort of interviews or how people look or say. More on their actions over a longer period of time. How their team mates see them is more important then me or any other fan.

I’m not saying this cause I’m proving I’m right, I’m saying it just to explain why I have taken a certain stance on this. I don’t see this as big a deal as some are trying to build it up to be.

Time will tell if that interview was a negative. Maybe it will work agaisnt him. Or maybe Ole will use it to galvanise the squad around him and use it like Jose used to do to create an “us v them” dressingroom. If Maguire is popular it actually might end up being great for team bonding.

I think a major issue is trial you media. There’s so much more witch-hunting these days through not just papers but online platforms. I’ve fallen into the trap myself By getting annoyed for example at Pogbas online stuff (that I actually only hear about when somebody posts in here!).

I don’t think Maguire deserves the abuse he’s getting. That said, If he comes out guilty at the ferris then he will of brought it on himself.