This weeks Classic Irish bargains that I'm not buying

Duke O Smiley · 02-11-2019 9:49pm

kaizersoze wrote: »

I think the only way to know it's roadworthy is a test.

But the road worthiness test only proves that the car is actually road worthy at the actual time of the test. They’ll tell you themselves, an NCT does not guarantee that the car will still be road worthy 2 miles down the road.

The only way to know is by going to view it

kaizersoze · 02-11-2019 10:32pm

Duke O Smiley wrote: »

But the road worthiness test only proves that the car is actually road worthy at the actual time of the test. They’ll tell you themselves, an NCT does not guarantee that the car will still be road worthy 2 miles down the road.

The only way to know is by going to view it

That's true and I know they can only test what they see for the most part but when spending a ball of money on a car I'd rather have one than not. Preferrably a fairly fresh one. Mechanical stuff can be sorted for the most part but rust/rot, and just plain ****boxes will be weeded out. Rot doesn't happen overnight or even months.
I wouldn't be too fussed on cheap cars.
I'm not saying not to view either but unless you have decent mechanical know how and get it up on a lift there's a lot of stuff that can be missed in a viewing.

26000 Elephants · 02-11-2019 11:12pm

The NCT is your best guide for deciding to view or not - it saves a lot of wasted time. While it's no guarantee of *absolute perfection*, it's a great generic leveller of all cars. If it has an NCT, it meets a minimum standard so while you may still need body, paint or interior work, you probably wont need a shovel to collect it.

Since an NCT can add huge value to a classic, it's a no brainer for sellers to make sure it's up to date. If it's not, then you can be certain that the work needed is going to cost more than the value added. There are exceptions (some people just get sick of a car and want rid) but it's a good rule to bear in mind.

Paying a grand extra for a car with a recent NCT could be the biggest bargain you'll get.

unkel · 02-11-2019 11:22pm

26000 Elephants wrote: »

Since an NCT can add huge value to a classic, it's a no brainer for sellers to make sure it's up to date.

Seems not to be the case in Ireland though? The majority of 80s cars for sale one the likes of DoneDeal do not have an NCT. Yet in most cases the asking prices are the same as if the car had a current test. And I presume these cars do sell anyway as most of the ads disappear after a while? Bought by new owners who will also not NCT their car?

Maybe I'm wrong but it feels to me like a big wink wink situation. Be grand, no need for an NCT. And obviously there is almost zero enforcement of NCT

For once very different from the UK. Your car would have very little value over there without a current MOT

26000 Elephants · 03-11-2019 12:04am

unkel wrote: »

Seems not to be the case in Ireland though? The majority of 80s cars for sale one the likes of DoneDeal do not have an NCT. Yet in most cases the asking prices are the same as if the car had a current test. And I presume these cars do sell anyway as most of the ads disappear after a while? Bought by new owners who will also not NCT their car?

Maybe I'm wrong but it feels to me like a big wink wink situation. Be grand, no need for an NCT. And obviously there is almost zero enforcement of NCT

For once very different from the UK. Your car would have very little value over there without a current MOT

I take your point, but I mean it from a value point of view - what the car is worth. There are plenty of eejits out there who dont care about tests or tax, and maybe they pay over the odd, but I doubt it. But there isnt much you can do about that.

Look at that 7er up above, never had an nct and looking for €9k. That's mad, Ted.

It will probably sell, but for nothing like that. But we wont know..... By someone who probably wont nct it either!

unkel · 03-11-2019 12:09am

26000 Elephants wrote: »

It will probably sell, but for nothing like that. But we wont know..... By someone who probably wont nct it either!

Aye, that's my point

In most EU countries you'd be pretty much an outcast, an anti-social scumbag, for driving around without tax or test. And strong chances you would be found out and face the consequences.

Over here, not so much so...

kaizersoze · 03-11-2019 2:32am

The 96 fiesta I bought during the year had an NCT on it. It also had a folder of paperwork and every previous NCT cert as well. That kind of thing adds great value to the car.
When it expired in August I booked it straight in for the test. It flew through it.

I also bought a 94 Starlet in reasonable nick for a few hundred that needs a bit of work without a test. Not the end of the world if it doesn't work out but when it's ready it'll be tested.

Tzardine · 03-11-2019 10:13am

Full disclosure - I know the person selling this car. I know how much it cost them to buy and import it and they are selling it at a significant loss.

Not many examples to compare it to, but i think its a bargain AT €2200.

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https://www.donedeal.ie/vintagecars-for-sale/toyota-corolla-2-tercel-el31/23387022?campaign=3

oceanman · 03-11-2019 12:09pm

unkel wrote: »

Seems not to be the case in Ireland though? The majority of 80s cars for sale one the likes of DoneDeal do not have an NCT. Yet in most cases the asking prices are the same as if the car had a current test. And I presume these cars do sell anyway as most of the ads disappear after a while? Bought by new owners who will also not NCT their car?

Maybe I'm wrong but it feels to me like a big wink wink situation. Be grand, no need for an NCT. And obviously there is almost zero enforcement of NCT

For once very different from the UK. Your car would have very little value over there without a current MOT

the difference in the uk is people trust the mot, where here there is a deep mistrust of the nct, too much shenanigans goes on in nct test centers and nobody is held accountable.

26000 Elephants · 03-11-2019 12:30pm

oceanman wrote: »

the difference in the uk is people trust the mot, where here there is a deep mistrust of the nct, too much shenanigans goes on in nct test centers and nobody is held accountable.

From my own experience, I'd put a lot more trust in the NCT than an mot.

It's a lot easier to get a snide mot cert than a fake NCT I can tell you. Cheaper too.

(So I hear.)

11wingnut · 03-11-2019 12:40pm

I bought a renault floride with only 10k miles on it from a renault garage in uk ,, they would not give me car until it had a mot. Went to collect decided to bring trailer .. Car had a day old mot, But struggled to get on trailer as brakes seized .. Someone had tried to jump start it but only a 6v car so they blue the bulbs and the radio .. It had bad faded chrome in headlights but new ones in boxes with it (wrong ones ).. I was happy with it ..beautiful car. Gone missing now after a divorce.

oceanman · 03-11-2019 12:49pm

26000 Elephants wrote: »

From my own experience, I'd put a lot more trust in the NCT than an mot.

It's a lot easier to get a snide mot cert than a fake NCT I can tell you. Cheaper too.

(So I hear.)

I don't know if there are many fake nct certs floating around. the certs are actually real...its the test that's fake if you get my drift.

CoBo55 · 03-11-2019 3:24pm

oceanman wrote: »

the difference in the uk is people trust the mot, where here there is a deep mistrust of the nct, too much shenanigans goes on in nct test centers and nobody is held accountable.

I wouldn't trust the MOT for one second.

TigerTim · 03-11-2019 7:31pm

Tzardine wrote: »

Full disclosure - I know the person selling this car. I know how much it cost them to buy and import it and they are selling it at a significant loss.

Not many examples to compare it to, but i think its a bargain AT €2200.

https://www.donedeal.ie/vintagecars-for-sale/toyota-corolla-2-tercel-el31/23387022?campaign=3

Like that but it didn't last long on DD.

T.

jmreire · 03-11-2019 7:47pm

Here in Ireland, we have registered nct test centres dotted around the Country...but in England, I think ( but not sure) that any main dealer can carry out the MOT? If this is the case plenty of room for "flexibility" in issuing cert's.

kev1.3s · 03-11-2019 8:43pm

jmreire wrote: »

Here in Ireland, we have registered nct test centres dotted around the Country...but in England, I think ( but not sure) that any main dealer can carry out the MOT? If this is the case plenty of room for "flexibility" in issuing cert's.

I think there is still plenty of flexibility here too.

Dades · 04-11-2019 11:54am

I spoke to a gentleman recently who knew someone that might be able to "get me an NCT."

Have not come across that before. Couldn't deal with the idea of a fake test/cert - especially in the event of passing the car on to another owner.

ELM327 · 04-11-2019 11:56am

jmreire wrote: »

Here in Ireland, we have registered nct test centres dotted around the Country...but in England, I think ( but not sure) that any main dealer can carry out the MOT? If this is the case plenty of room for "flexibility" in issuing cert's.

Yep, the UK MOT is worthless

kev1.3s wrote: »

I think there is still plenty of flexibility here too.

Agreed

Duke O Smiley · 04-11-2019 12:14pm

Dades wrote: »

I spoke to a gentleman recently who knew someone that might be able to "get me an NCT."

Have not come across that before. Couldn't deal with the idea of a fake test/cert - especially in the event of passing the car on to another owner.

Yeah, it happens alright. In most cases the idiots who pay for them would probably save themselves a few quid if they actually spent the money on their car

unkel · 04-11-2019 2:21pm

Dades wrote: »

I spoke to a gentleman recently who knew someone that might be able to "get me an NCT."

Surely there is no corruption left in Ireland?

BorneTobyWilde · 04-11-2019 3:26pm

https://www.donedeal.ie/cars-for-sale/e300d-w124/23400245

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Nice spec 300D

BorneTobyWilde · 04-11-2019 3:29pm

https://www.donedeal.ie/vintagecars-for-sale/mercedes-300se-just-33-000-miles-/23345350

Low miles,
Nice Merc

w124man · 04-11-2019 9:30pm

The w126 is a lovely car. Ive seen it a few times and the guy selling it has some lovely cars in his collection.

Wegian · 04-11-2019 9:33pm

https://www.donedeal.ie/view/17188882

A nice clean landcruiser...on the outside

Duke O Smiley · 04-11-2019 9:35pm

Wegian wrote: »

https://www.donedeal.ie/view/17188882

A nice clean landcruiser...on the outside

Do you know more that the ad is telling?

Wegian · 04-11-2019 9:45pm

Duke O Smiley wrote: »

Do you know more that the ad is telling?

I don’t but I do like the old Landcruisers

elperello · 05-11-2019 12:45am

BorneTobyWilde wrote: »

Nice spec 300D

Gone already.

CoBo55 · 05-11-2019 10:19am

BorneTobyWilde wrote: »

https://www.donedeal.ie/vintagecars-for-sale/mercedes-300se-just-33-000-miles-/23345350

Low miles,
Nice Merc

Looks fantastic. Mad money though!!

SmartinMartin · 05-11-2019 12:11pm

CoBo55 wrote: »

Looks fantastic. Mad money though!!

Seems to me a few dealers have appeared on the Irish classic scene in the last 2 years or so and have been asking stupid money, leading to a general inflation in pricing.

CoBo55 · 05-11-2019 4:05pm

SmartinMartin wrote: »

Seems to me a few dealers have appeared on the Irish classic scene in the last 2 years or so and have been asking stupid money, leading to a general inflation in pricing.

Asking and getting are two different things..

AbbotSinical · 05-11-2019 7:39pm

Anyone here a fan of classic parody?
€45,000 price cut!

Not vintage, not my idea of classic...Donedeal needs an Atrocity section

https://www.donedeal.ie/vintagecars-for-sale/vintage-car/23346689

jmreire · 05-11-2019 7:58pm

AbbotSinical wrote: »

Anyone here a fan of classic parody?
€45,000 price cut!

Not vintage, not my idea of classic...Donedeal needs an Atrocity section

https://www.donedeal.ie/vintagecars-for-sale/vintage-car/23346689

Ah, no. I'll pass on this one. Thank's all the same:cool:

SmartinMartin · 05-11-2019 10:34pm

CoBo55 wrote: »

Asking and getting are two different things..

Ya don't say. Think about it though, any private seller pricing their motors see what these lads are asking, and up goes the seller's expectation accordingly. It's definitely had a knock-on affect.

RobAMerc · 06-11-2019 5:17am

AbbotSinical wrote: »

Anyone here a fan of classic parody?
€45,000 price cut!

Not vintage, not my idea of classic...Donedeal needs an Atrocity section

https://www.donedeal.ie/vintagecars-for-sale/vintage-car/23346689

the ad is a day old, clearly the chap added an extra zero erroneously and fixed his mistake - not a price drop

A good working classic imo - new business venture perhaps

26000 Elephants · 06-11-2019 7:34am

RobAMerc wrote: »

the ad is a day old, clearly the chap added an extra zero erroneously and fixed his mistake - not a price drop

A good working classic imo - new business venture perhaps

If you were a Beatles fan you could smoke around town in that pretending you were John Lennon! Not quite a roller, but sure who'd know....

As you say, they tend to be hard working cars, but prone to chassis rust.

And looking at how badly eaten the bumper is, I'd say there is a fair bit of it in other places.

unkel · 06-11-2019 10:15am

26000 Elephants wrote: »

And looking at how badly eaten the bumper is, I'd say there is a fair bit of it in other places.

Never had an NCT and I betya the owner will not tell you the UK reg if you ask him on DoneDeal. Most sellers of 80s cars without NCT don't in my experience.

BOSTIK · 06-11-2019 1:16pm

NCT expired since 2004 the obvious caveat, but a nice looking yoke for under €3,000

https://www.donedeal.ie/vintagecars-for-sale/nissan-bluebird/23300258

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jmreire · 06-11-2019 1:19pm

26000 Elephants wrote: »

If you were a Beatles fan you could smoke around town in that pretending you were John Lennon! Not quite a roller, but sure who'd know....

As you say, they tend to be hard working cars, but prone to chassis rust.

And looking at how badly eaten the bumper is, I'd say there is a fair bit of it in other places.

Yeah, tip of the iceberg, I'd say. Unless at some point in it's history, it's owner took preventative measure's and had it rust proofed with wax-oyl or similar. But even so, lots of nooks and crannies would still be rusting away quietly over the years.

McHardcore · 07-11-2019 10:56pm

BOSTIK wrote: »

NCT expired since 2004 the obvious caveat, but a nice looking yoke for under €3,000

https://www.donedeal.ie/vintagecars-for-sale/nissan-bluebird/23300258

Very nice. It is a wee bit worrying that they mention that there are a few "small" repairs to do, but that they have the parts.

SmartinMartin · 08-11-2019 6:21pm

Stunning escort.

https://www.donedeal.ie/vintagecars-for-sale/ford-escort-ghia-mk2-7200-genuine-miles/23055128?campaign=3

ELM327 · 08-11-2019 6:22pm

SmartinMartin wrote: »

Stunning escort.

https://www.donedeal.ie/vintagecars-for-sale/ford-escort-ghia-mk2-7200-genuine-miles/23055128?campaign=3

Luckily I think thats a SFW link

jmreire · 08-11-2019 6:29pm

SmartinMartin wrote: »

Stunning escort.

https://www.donedeal.ie/vintagecars-for-sale/ford-escort-ghia-mk2-7200-genuine-miles/23055128?campaign=3

Lovely condition, and INCA GOLD was the color if I remember right... and it's in fantastic condition.

SmartinMartin · 08-11-2019 6:58pm

ELM327 wrote: »

Luckily I think thats a SFW link

Luckily I didn't Google "stunning escort"

SmartinMartin · 08-11-2019 7:01pm

And of course, then I had to Google it.
23 links before a car was mentioned:eek:

elperello · 08-11-2019 11:12pm

https://www.donedeal.ie/commercials-for-sale/ford-sierra-p100-pick-up-price-drop/22691543?campaign=3

A classic commercial.
Very clean and not too dear.

ianobrien · 09-11-2019 11:28am

SmartinMartin wrote: »

Stunning escort.

https://www.donedeal.ie/vintagecars-for-sale/ford-escort-ghia-mk2-7200-genuine-miles/23055128?campaign=3

Price is a bit high as I know of 2 doors in similar original condition that sold for about €4k more

BonnieSituation · 11-11-2019 6:11pm

elperello wrote: »

https://www.donedeal.ie/commercials-for-sale/ford-sierra-p100-pick-up-price-drop/22691543?campaign=3

A classic commercial.
Very clean and not too dear.

That's a deadly yoke.

Duke O Smiley · 11-11-2019 11:09pm

https://www.donedeal.ie/vintagecars-for-sale/1979-reliant-scimitar-/23472399

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1979 Reliant Scimitar with 1.9 turbo Diesel engine from 1995 Peugeot 405 with 5 speed gearbox. Car is very fast

This is strangely alluring..!

elperello · 11-11-2019 11:19pm

BonnieSituation wrote: »

That's a deadly yoke.

I'm surprised it is still there.

I could see one of those getting great attention at shows.

Maybe not as good as it looks.

jmreire · 11-11-2019 11:27pm

Duke O Smiley wrote: »

https://www.donedeal.ie/vintagecars-for-sale/1979-reliant-scimitar-/23472399

This is strangely alluring..!

And fibre glass body...

This weeks Classic Irish bargains that I'm not buying

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