Deise Greenway. Cycle path. Waterford City to Dungarvan.

Wanderer78 · 22-07-2020 12:17pm

Harry Palmr wrote: »

Not sure if this was mentioned before, but moves are afoot for a Waterford to Tramore spur, presumably the idea would be to follow the old railway line as much as possible.

Old line route shown here
https://www.activeme.ie/guides/dismantled-railway-tramore-to-waterford/

was looking into walking this some years ago, has anyone done it recently?

BBM77 · 22-07-2020 1:18pm

Harry Palmr wrote: »

Not sure if this was mentioned before, but moves are afoot for a Waterford to Tramore spur, presumably the idea would be to follow the old railway line as much as possible.

Old line route shown here
https://www.activeme.ie/guides/dismantled-railway-tramore-to-waterford/

Petty they would not put back the railway. Closing it was the mother of all short-sighted decisions.

Wanderer78 · 22-07-2020 1:24pm

BBM77 wrote: »

Petty they would not put back the railway. Closing it was the mother of all short-sighted decisions.

... and you can add the rest of the countries train network with that to

Seamai · 22-07-2020 1:24pm

cml387 wrote: »

Ther looks to me like a serious infestation of Japanese Knotweed from Kilmacthomas eastwards at least as far as the coach house.

What's may be spreading it is the cable laying I saw heading back towards Waterford.

Spotted that while walking on that section last week, it looked liked some spot spraying had been done, let's hope it's nipped in the bud (pardon the pun) before it get's out of control.

waterford · 22-07-2020 2:08pm

Japanese Knotweed is creating havoc all over Ireland – here’s how to stop it spreading
see link from lat year from the Sun

https://www.thesun.ie/news/4603203/japanese-knotweed-ireland-how-to-stop-it-spreading/

mooseknunkle · 22-07-2020 6:12pm

I went from Kilmac to Dungarvan and back yesterday afternoon and it was the busiest i seen the Greenway since it opened,crowds of people every kilometer all out cycling and walking ,i could hear accents from all over Ireland and a lot of English and even some Americans and what sounded like Canadians!,fantastic to see so many out enjoying it.

curmudgeonly · 23-07-2020 8:30am

waterford wrote: »

Japanese Knotweed is creating havoc all over Ireland – here’s how to stop it spreading
see link from lat year from the Sun

https://www.thesun.ie/news/4603203/japanese-knotweed-ireland-how-to-stop-it-spreading/

Not aimed at the poster, but that is the lightest weighted article ever on Japanese Knotweed, built around a headline with absolutely no substance.
I never bought a red top in my life and when I stumble across like this, It galvanises my decision.

Spraying Knotweed is practically useless as it shrugs it off and grows on.
I had a small patch and it took 7 years of spraying to kill it eventually.

Seamai · 23-07-2020 8:46am

mooseknunkle wrote: »

I went from Kilmac to Dungarvan and back yesterday afternoon and it was the busiest i seen the Greenway since it opened,crowds of people every kilometer all out cycling and walking ,i could hear accents from all over Ireland and a lot of English and even some Americans and what sounded like Canadians!,fantastic to see so many out enjoying it.

We're hoping to do the whole greenway next week and then back as the shuttle bus back isn't an option at the moment. Was hoping that by going on a weekday it might be quieter, obviously not at this time of the year.

ec18 · 23-07-2020 10:14am

mooseknunkle wrote: »

I went from Kilmac to Dungarvan and back yesterday afternoon and it was the busiest i seen the Greenway since it opened,crowds of people every kilometer all out cycling and walking ,i could hear accents from all over Ireland and a lot of English and even some Americans and what sounded like Canadians!,fantastic to see so many out enjoying it.

were they all observing public health advice?

Cabaal · 23-07-2020 2:25pm

ec18 wrote: »

were they all observing public health advice?

Likely not, just like the many thousands visiting Tramore,
But they'll all be quick to bitch and moan if there's an increase in infections and deaths

JMcL · 23-07-2020 2:50pm

Seamai wrote: »

We're hoping to do the whole greenway next week and then back as the shuttle bus back isn't an option at the moment. Was hoping that by going on a weekday it might be quieter, obviously not at this time of the year.

On bike I assume. It's a grand spin, I did it a few weeks ago. Should be looking at 4-5 hours riding total depending on fitness level and business of the greenway itself (<4 hours is a bit anti-social - it was dead quiet when I did it as it was early morning mid-week)

ExoPolitic · 25-07-2020 10:30am

JMcL wrote:

On bike I assume. It's a grand spin, I did it a few weeks ago. Should be looking at 4-5 hours riding total depending on fitness level and business of the greenway itself (

Have done it at night in the summer sun 4 hours, was great fun. Not a soul to be seen!

Wanderer78 · 25-07-2020 10:36am

ExoPolitic wrote: »

Have done it at night in the summer sun 4 hours, was great fun. Not a soul to be seen!

im gonna do this myself at some stage, maybe during the winter though

mooseknunkle · 25-07-2020 5:07pm

Seamai wrote: »

We're hoping to do the whole greenway next week and then back as the shuttle bus back isn't an option at the moment. Was hoping that by going on a weekday it might be quieter, obviously not at this time of the year.

Its really only busy when the weather is good,i was out on a beautiful summers afternoon so i knew it would be busy ,just head out early enough and take it at your own pace regardless how busy it is you will be fine ,if you headed out early enough you would be down and back by the afternoon.

mooseknunkle · 25-07-2020 5:08pm

ec18 wrote: »

were they all observing public health advice?

I dont know,whats the public health advice for people cycling outside in the fresh air?

bullpost · 28-07-2020 5:06pm

mooseknunkle wrote: »

I dont know,whats the public health advice for people cycling outside in the fresh air?

Watch out for anything with more than two wheels

Carawaystick · 30-07-2020 9:59pm

MartyMcFly84 wrote: »

Agreed some more joined up projects and thinking would benefit the whole of the SouthEast. People starting on the Greenway in New Ross or Rosslare will follow it along through Waterford, it will increase tourism and benefit the whole region.

The Greenway announcement of funding from the govt yesterday had mention of a Dungarvan to Co Cork boundary greenway, and another bit had a mention of Dungarvan to Mallow

Muttley79 · 30-07-2020 10:46pm

https://images.app.goo.gl/QzAVnHeprrR9ap476
Money from the EU is investing in both our own greenways and eurovelo tracks.euro velo1 is linked from Norway through Scotland all around coast of Ireland and ending in Spain.eurovelo 2 goes through England and links into the new Dublin to Galway cycle route.great idea and great holidays to cycle across Ireland and onto Europe for the holidays on safe off road tracks.on a local note Rosslare through Waterford onto lismore.linked up with the blackwater river from lismore to youghal and then from youghal onto Middleton cork Greenway

Harry Palmr · 27-08-2020 5:03pm

As found by Seth Brundle on the infrastructure forum greenway thread

http://www.munster-express.ie/local-news/line-objectors-blast-greenway-tyranny/

I wonder how people along the line feel about it now?

friendlyfun · 29-08-2020 8:39pm

https://waterford-news.ie/2020/08/26/woodstown-viking-site-has-world-class-potential/#.X0qsvndFzIU

This is something with massive potential. Waterford as we know is a Viking city and the longphort at Woodstown is believed to predate the city. These were areas where Vikings could protect their vessels and carry out raids from. An incredible part of our local history and I'm sure it will unearth more of its secrets in the future, not only contributing to our understanding of Vikings in Ireland, but Vikings throughout the world.

Dum_Dum · 29-08-2020 8:48pm

friendlyfun wrote: »

https://waterford-news.ie/2020/08/26/woodstown-viking-site-has-world-class-potential/#.X0qsvndFzIU

This is something with massive potential. Waterford as we know is a Viking city and the longphort at Woodstown is believed to predate the city. These were areas where Vikings could protect their vessels and carry out raids from. An incredible part of our local history and I'm sure it will unearth more of its secrets in the future, not only contributing to our understanding of Vikings in Ireland, but Vikings throughout the world.

Nearly every coastal city in northwestern Europe has Viking origins or even older. So what's new pussycat? Dig enough holes near any of those coastlines and you'll find something.

And go ahead with the academic research by all means. But Waterford is known for crystal. It's the most obvious thing and the most overlooked. If the City wants a successful tourist offering it's got to be that.

Wanderer78 · 29-08-2020 8:56pm

Dum_Dum wrote:

Nearly every coastal city in northwestern Europe has Viking origins or even older. So what's new pussycat? Dig enough holes near any of those coastlines and you'll find something.

To be fair, we don't market this element enough, I personally find it far more interesting than lumps of glass, I think city's such as kilkenny do very well by promoting their castle, it's why I'm still livid over the city Square site, this could have been intigrated into the shopping centre to some degree, at great cost I'd imagine, but the potential short term gains won out, and now itâ€™s lost for ever, at some stage, we re gonna have to reverse this short term thinking, before we completely wreck the place, and our history

friendlyfun · 31-08-2020 10:06am

Dum_Dum wrote: »

Nearly every coastal city in northwestern Europe has Viking origins or even older. So what's new pussycat? Dig enough holes near any of those coastlines and you'll find something.

And go ahead with the academic research by all means. But Waterford is known for crystal. It's the most obvious thing and the most overlooked. If the City wants a successful tourist offering it's got to be that.

I have no idea how you think Waterford Crystal is overlooked and then claim its best known for its crystal? seems a bit of a contradiction.

Sure if you dig enough holes you find something, but the site in Woodstown has brought up thousands of objects, including sivler, lead weights, a Viking Burial. This is a site that has been uncovered and has is til only 5% excavated. The fact is the site in Waterford remains one of the most invaluable Viking sites in the world and that is not an exaggeration.Read any modern book about the Vikings in the last 10 years or so and it will mention Woodstown.

Only in Waterford could someone be dismissive of world renowned Viking site.

Wanderer78 · 31-08-2020 1:20pm

friendlyfun wrote: »

I have no idea how you think Waterford Crystal is overlooked and then claim its best known for its crystal? seems a bit of a contradiction.

Sure if you dig enough holes you find something, but the site in Woodstown has brought up thousands of objects, including sivler, lead weights, a Viking Burial. This is a site that has been uncovered and has is til only 5% excavated. The fact is the site in Waterford remains one of the most invaluable Viking sites in the world and that is not an exaggeration.Read any modern book about the Vikings in the last 10 years or so and it will mention Vikings.

Only in Waterford could someone be dismissive of world renowned Viking site.

id love to see it excavated, id get involved if it was

Cabaal · 01-09-2020 8:09am

Dum_Dum wrote: »

Nearly every coastal city in northwestern Europe has Viking origins or even older. So what's new pussycat? Dig enough holes near any of those coastlines and you'll find something.

Most European city's have some sort of fortification or another so Kilkenny is not unique.

But yet funny enough it does a fantastic job at using kilkenny Castle to advertise the place and it draws in tourists of all ages including families.

You'd want to be very foolish to ignore a viking settlement in Waterford...

But Waterford is known for crystal. It's the most obvious thing and the most overlooked. If the City wants a successful tourist offering it's got to be that.

I'm not sure you bothered to read what you typed.

Apparently Waterford is best known for its crystal, but at the same time it's not known for it because its over locked. So is it that people are just not interested in some glass?

If you think Waterford crystal would be a big pull for tourists to waterford you have to be kidding, it's a brand name now, nothing more. It doesn't even mean the stuff is made in Waterford anymore .

Back in the 1990s you could visit the factory where it was actually made, now you visit basically a show room with a cut down factory setup.

Wanderer78 · 02-09-2020 1:01pm

Cabaal wrote: »

Most European city's have some sort of fortification or another so Kilkenny is not unique.

But yet funny enough it does a fantastic job at using kilkenny Castle to advertise the place and it draws in tourists of all ages including families.

You'd want to be very foolish to ignore a viking settlement in Waterford...

I'm not sure you bothered to read what you typed.

Apparently Waterford is best known for its crystal, but at the same time it's not known for it because its over locked. So is it that people are just not interested in some glass?

If you think Waterford crystal would be a big pull for tourists to waterford you have to be kidding, it's a brand name now, nothing more. It doesn't even mean the stuff is made in Waterford anymore .

Back in the 1990s you could visit the factory where it was actually made, now you visit basically a show room with a cut down factory setup.

whereby, it only makes a certain amount of it! we live in the era of the power of the 'brand name', and its exploitations!

05-11-2020 3:57pm

Does anyone know if the Greenway is safe at night for a cycle?

Wanderer78 · 05-11-2020 4:02pm

Deleted User wrote: »

Does anyone know if the Greenway is safe at night for a cycle?

id imagine it is, must do it myself sometime

JPA · 05-11-2020 4:09pm

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Does anyone know if the Greenway is safe at night for a cycle?

Highly unlikely you'll be beaten up but it will be pitch black. You would need a good light.

Harry Palmr · 05-11-2020 4:23pm

Ill met by Moonlight!

Gwildor · 05-11-2020 5:44pm

Never had any issues at all. I’d cycle home from work in the city to Kilmac in the dark. The only things likely to assault you are Badgers, Foxes and Rabbits. Nearly binned it a few times trying to avoid the bloody Rabbits!

Deleted User wrote: »

Does anyone know if the Greenway is safe at night for a cycle?

mooseknunkle · 05-11-2020 9:56pm

Deleted User wrote: »

Does anyone know if the Greenway is safe at night for a cycle?

Ive been out there walking loads of times when its dark,its very safe just make sure you have a good light,you'd be surprised the amount of people out there at night walking,jogging and cycling.

beazee · 06-11-2020 9:02am

Deleted User wrote: »

Does anyone know if the Greenway is safe at night for a cycle?

Head once over to the O'Mahony's for a glass of black stuff.
Many of the rabbits and foxes crossing the Greenway at midnight.
Make sure you've a proper front light. Amazing experience to be had btw.

Harry Palmr · 09-11-2020 12:55pm

https://twitter.com/WaterfordGrnWay/status/1325767450806407169

Wanderer78 · 09-11-2020 1:13pm

^^^better get my skates on and try walk this again, before its developed

mooseknunkle · 09-11-2020 1:56pm

Harry Palmr wrote: »

https://twitter.com/WaterfordGrnWay/status/1325767450806407169

Midleton to Youghal got €10 million funding too ,and i think there's talk of Dungarvan to Youghal if that happens it would be a nice spin from New Ross to Midleton!

Wanderer78 · 09-11-2020 2:00pm

mooseknunkle wrote: »

Midleton to Youghal got €10 million funding too ,and i think there's talk of Dungarvan to Youghal if that happens it would be a nice spin from New Ross to Midleton!

have they started work on these greenways?

Harry Palmr · 09-11-2020 2:04pm

Dungarvan to Youghall would be massive challenge, there is no line to follow so it would be fresh cutting all the way. Either that or follow roads with steep climbs

spookwoman · 09-11-2020 2:22pm

Would be great if they convert the barrow bridge near the power station.

mooseknunkle · 09-11-2020 2:43pm

spookwoman wrote: »

Would be great if they convert the barrow bridge near the power station.

That's going to be part of the Rosslare to Waterford greenway if it ever happens.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sc1prUMDbQA

https://www.wexfordcoco.ie/community/recreational-and-community-development-projects/rosslare-to-waterford-city-greenway

Fugs!! · 10-11-2020 1:11pm

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Does anyone know if the Greenway is safe at night for a cycle?

I've done it loads of times. Its great fun as you think you're flying. Get a good headlight and a second light looking down at the front wheel. Wrap up well as it get really cold along by the river.

ExoPolitic · 12-11-2020 10:09am

The extension to kilmeaden is looking quite good from its northern end. Looks almost done!

friendlyfun · 12-11-2020 4:38pm

I walked a portion of the Greenway recently during autumn. The colours of all the leaves (especially past Mount Congreve) was breathtaking. Just a short walk with some friends of mine. We are blessed to have this Greenway (which is the longest in Ireland). I don't know whose idea it was to create the Greenway but they were definitely thinking ahead and thanks to them we have an incredible amenity which as transformed so many communities.

fricatus · 12-11-2020 4:49pm

ExoPolitic wrote: »

The extension to kilmeaden is looking quite good from its northern end. Looks almost done!

What bit is that? Is there a link to Kilmeaden village or something?

Cabaal · 12-11-2020 4:56pm

fricatus wrote: »

What bit is that? Is there a link to Kilmeaden village or something?

That's exactly what it is

Wanderer78 · 13-11-2020 8:33am

friendlyfun wrote:

I walked a portion of the Greenway recently during autumn. The colours of all the leaves (especially past Mount Congreve) was breathtaking. Just a short walk with some friends of mine. We are blessed to have this Greenway (which is the longest in Ireland). I don't know whose idea it was to create the Greenway but they were definitely thinking ahead and thanks to them we have an incredible amenity which as transformed so many communities.

Autumn colours are always stunning, very vivid on the mountain as well

whisky_galore · 14-11-2020 3:01pm

Wanderer78 wrote: »

^^^better get my skates on and try walk this again, before its developed

You'll need wellies rather than skates.

Wanderer78 · 16-11-2020 8:10am

whisky_galore wrote:

You'll need wellies rather than skates.

Hahaha, ah the hiking boots are grand, hate wellies, always amazed to see a farmer walking the mountains in them, don't know how he does it, he bloody moves to

Dum_Dum · 18-11-2020 12:44pm

mooseknunkle wrote: »

That's going to be part of the Rosslare to Waterford greenway if it ever happens.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sc1prUMDbQA

https://www.wexfordcoco.ie/community/recreational-and-community-development-projects/rosslare-to-waterford-city-greenway

What's the story with the Barrow Rail Bridge? Who pays for its upkeep when this path is up and running? Surely this thing is massive liability.

Besides that, the part between Wellington Bridge and Waterford was very scenic railway. This will be a great amenity if it ever gets completed.

beazee · 19-11-2020 11:40am

Dum_Dum wrote: »

What's the story with the Barrow Rail Bridge? Who pays for its upkeep when this path is up and running?

Seems to be CIE for now. With maintenance cut to the bare minimum. Weed spraying mostly.

Former Labour county councillor Denis North, who worked for CIE for 45 years, including 13 years operating the bridge, said the central span may fall into the River Barrow in years to come if it isn't maintained and returned to use.

Irish Rail CEO Jim Meade informed Mr North in May that there is no proposal to close the Barrow Bridge.

'The Barrow Bridge operating equipment is very old and requires significant resources to maintain and operate,' Mr Meade wrote.

He said: 'While the railway line is suspended, the focus of operation has been to support the Port of New Ross shipping operations in line with our statutory responsibility for the bridge operation.'

He said: 'In order to ensure the consistent delivery of the required shipping lane access for the Port of New Ross, we have reviewed the operation with the Port of New Ross Chief Executive and our Chief Civil engineer and propose to temporarily secure the bridge in the open position for shipping traffic, to improve the navigation controls and lighting on the bridge to a required standard and to allow the remote monitoring of bridge operations. The effect of this proposed change will ensure the reliability of the operation for maritime navigation and reduce our operations and infrastructure costs in the meantime.'

Mr North said leaving the bridge in the 'open' position indefinitely is not the way forward. (...)

'CIE have opened the bridge and plan to leave it in an open position all of the time. Effectively they want to abandon the bridge and if they do that we will never see a train going on that line again. There is a preservation order on the bridge.'

(...)

'I hate to see it being just left there. We saw what happened on the line from Waterford to Cork. They took out the span and just put in a scrapyard. It will rust away and fall into the river unless something is done. It should be opened to traffic but only when required,' Mr North said.

https://www.independent.ie/regionals/newrossstandard/news/railway-bridge-being-left-to-rot-38879314.html

Deise Greenway. Cycle path. Waterford City to Dungarvan.

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