Beggers

Eircom_Sucks wrote: »

There is 1 guy in finglas who is always at the topaz garage on the n2 , every evening , irish guy , has an expensive push bike aswell , same said guy outside mcdonalds in charlestown in finglas , always stands right where you get your food in the drive through , so when u open ur window to grab food he’s like “ any change mister “ i say no and he’s like “ oh im sorry to ask thanks “

I mean can nothing be done about these parasites ? Bloody everywhere and intimidating too , he does be on his phone at the petrol station and then hops on his bike as soon as he gets his phone call , prob off to score another hit

Small thin guy ?

Eircom_Sucks wrote: »

Yup

He’s not that hard up if he has a bike and phone

He apologises after asking for money , i mean ffs f off

I parker there one day on the phone ( in parking spot in garage ) just comes up to the window , seeing i was on my phone and still ask

As i finished my call i heard him on his phone saying he’s on his way over for food

I know him , thought he was dead.
He's a chronic addict and was living in an abandoned building that was set on fire with him in it.
He was sleeping rough up near the junction of M50 , N2 .
He's family check in every so often with him.

The Moldy Gowl wrote: »

I give them a fag if I'm drunk or heading out to the pub because I'm sound.

Get the box out to give him one and they always see I have the minty fags. They just say nah man you're grand.

Pricks.

This has happened to me too! They never want the menthol smokes.

I was heading into Dunnes a few weeks ago and a homeless guy outside asked if I'd buy him a sandwich. No problem, I'd much rather do that than give them cash for fear it's funding an addiction. When I came out I handed him the sandwich and a few pieces of fruit and as I was walking away I could hear him crowing and using them to taunt another homeless person nearby, FFS.

bikubesong wrote: »

This has happened to me too! They never want the menthol smokes.

I was heading into Dunnes a few weeks ago and a homeless guy outside asked if I'd buy him a sandwich. No problem, I'd much rather do that than give them cash for fear it's funding an addiction. When I came out I handed him the sandwich and a few pieces of fruit and as I was walking away I could hear him crowing and using them to taunt another homeless person nearby, FFS.

Maybe he swapped the sandwich for drugs?.

If a begger spends their money on drugs not my business or anyone else's. Their grown adults and making their own life choices. If others fund it more power to them.

When I gave up drugs met many many wealthy professionals who had clients and customers funding their coke/booze/speed/smack/codeine/cannabis you name it addiction.

People fund addiction everyday, some are good at hiding it and have the resources to keep their shyt together, for now!.

Do people stop paying their TV license fee as Gerry Ryan died a drug addict are they are worried the current crop in RTE are on the marching powder everynight? Of course not.

Alot of these Beggers probably have more money than I do but they choose to spent it on drink and drugs.

Generally I just give them nothing not even any attention and just keep walking. Realistically the only ones that can help them are themselves and only when they decide to do something to get themselves out of that situation.

And dont get me started on the Roma Career Beggers.....

Stonedpilot wrote: »

Green eyed monster they earn more than you.

BTW don't believe beggars make €600 a week.

I'd quit my job if I was offered €600 a week...didn't spend years learning my trade and buying tools and a van to work for €120 a day...check the posting time....I'm heading into work now.

Believe all you want but if they pick up €60 a day (easily achievable) that's €420 a week plus dole = €600. Simple maths.

mfceiling wrote: »

I'd quit my job if I was offered €600 a week...didn't spend years learning my trade and buying tools and a van to work for €120 a day...check the posting time....I'm heading into work now.

Believe all you want but if they pick up €60 a day (easily achievable) that's €420 a week plus dole = €600. Simple maths.

So why learn a trade if the same money or more can be made begging?. To contribute to society?. You might but Many couldn't care less of that.

According to many here they are cleaning up. To them its lucrative and financially rewarding. So its just pride stopping most from begging is it?

Your telling me beggers in rural towns in Ireland get €60 a day?

Not all beggers have a patch on Grafton Street like!.


Dont gimme that pride/contribute to society bullplop the whole country be out there with a stryafoam cup if €600 a week was made begging handily.



Pride turns angels into devils as the old saying goes.


Lets say they do get €600 a week. Why begrudge em? Because you work on your trade?. They might see begging as theres and see it as a skill unto itself.
Or maybe they don't who knows?.

Live and let live.

What's this "spare change" to which the beggers refer?
I don't ever, ever carry "spare change". Mister.

Some areas of Paris after dark are so much worse for people sleeping rough than dublin. At least it was a few years ago. I don't think they're as intimidating though as some of the ones in Dublin, the police over there take no messing so they seem to be better behaved in general.

I'm torn on the subject tbh. My husband grew up with a man whose father is now homeless. He had been an alcoholic, came off it, couldn't cope with life and left his wife and home to live outside the local shopping centre! He drinks again now, 5 cans a day or so. Never to the point of being drunk but in his own words "enough to keep going". His son is doing really well and there has been many attempts to help the man but he just can't function in normal life. By all accounts he's a very soft spoken and nice person. He's not making money from begging, just enough for his few cans and food. It's really sad and in his case a definite mental health issue.

Years ago, out in Dublin on a bitter night, my husband offered to buy a begger some food. He was foreign, Bosnian to be exact and clearly in a bad way. He had no heavy coat, no blanket with him. When offered food he ordered just chips (burger place), husband ordered him the same meal as himself and sat for a chat. Some of the stories the man told about his past and now living in Dublin, were horrible. When finished eating he thanked my husband for giving him food and taking time to chat.

Stories like them make me less likely to disregard them all as chancers. While i know that there are a lot of supports for them, some are genuine and fall through the cracks.

Are Am Eye wrote: »

He might just be waiting at a location where he happened to have
first met his ex girlfriend on the basis that she also will decide to
travel to this location at which point they can resolve outstanding
issues and get back together again.

Sounds like you're following a Script there.

mcmoustache wrote: »

I think his point is that if everybody stopped giving money, the incentive to beg wouldn't be there any more.

It's a simplistic solution but he's not wrong.

That's it.

There should be public information notices advising people not to give to beggars, as giving only encourages the thing. But of course people will think that hard-hearted without thinking of the organised begging rings and the spoofers that clearly don't need it.

whisky_galore wrote: »

That's it.

There should be public information notices advising people not to give to beggars, as giving only encourages the thing. But of course people will think that hard-hearted without thinking of the organised begging rings and the spoofers that clearly don't need it.

The police need to come down harsh on them. There is literally no point in arresting them but beggars need to be constantly hounded and moved on by police.

When the police move them on they need to be told where to find legitimate help.
Eventually after consistent months and years of police hounding the beggars and informing them of where they can get actual help maybe the problem will come under control.

I was in Rome a few years back and I saw an old man with a long white beard, stumps for arms and legs, flailing about on the footpath with a cup in front of him. He was dressed in a sort of toga as well and howling like someone was stabbing him.

Now that's committed begging.