What in the actual f**k?

bear1 · 20-02-2018 2:10pm #1

https://www.irishexaminer.com/ireland/dad-tells-of-being-forced-to-leave-dead-son-on-roadside-467372.html

Collins, who had a previous drink drive conviction from 2006, pleaded guilty to driving a car with excess alcohol — 140 mgs of alcohol per 100 mls of blood at a time when the limit was 50 mgs.

The 70 year-old, of The Bungalow, Threegneeves, Leap, Co Cork, also pleaded guilty to charges of driving without due care and attention causing Stefan’s death.

Yesterday, he was given a one year suspended jail term, a €500 fine, and was banned from driving for five years.

So this guy was driving above the limit, hit and killed an 18 year old kid and he gets a 1 year suspended sentence, 500 euro fine and banned from driving...
Surely to God this will be appealed?
Absolute disgrace to be given, what in my eyes, such a lenient sentence.
500e fine just adds insult to injury.
When will there be a full review of the idiotc sentences handed down in this country?
This dead 18 year old's life in the eyes of this particular judge/law was a slap on the wrist it seems.
Disgusting.

Your Face · 20-02-2018 2:25pm

For the sake of balance.

This was from the The Irish Sun:
"He sentenced him to 12 months’ jail — suspended — and disqualified him from driving for five years.

The judge said the case “deserves” a custodial sentence but he had to be mindful of Collins’ elderly housebound wife.

The judge said there was a “wealth of factors” at play, including the fact it would have been difficult to see Stefan as he had no lights on his bike, no fluorescent jacket or markings on his clothes."

This is a horrible situation for the family and their loss shouldn't be used as cheap outrage fodder.

bear1 · 20-02-2018 2:30pm

Your Face wrote: »

For the sake of balance.

This was from the The Irish Sun:
"He sentenced him to 12 months’ jail — suspended — and disqualified him from driving for five years.

The judge said the case “deserves” a custodial sentence but he had to be mindful of Collins’ elderly housebound wife.

The judge said there was a “wealth of factors” at play, including the fact it would have been difficult to see Stefan as he had no lights on his bike, no fluorescent jacket or markings on his clothes."

This is a horrible situation for the family and their loss shouldn't be used as cheap outrage fodder.

That's quite nonsensical, if anyone got off cheaply it was the driver.
Regardless of the fact the rider didn't have the appropriate clothing or lights but being impaired (this would have made it even harder to see Stefan) behind the wheel is a massive factor.
If the driver was stone cold sober and still hit the rider then ok I'd have sympathy on both sides.
But this bastard willingly drank and then drove home and in the meantime killed a kid.
He was the main factor.

whiskeyman · 20-02-2018 2:32pm

Collins should have been mindful of his elderly housebound wife before he got into his car over the limit.
Just because he has responsibilities, doesn't mean he deserves any less a sentence IMO.
A sentence should punish not just the person, but those that rely on them. That gives further pressure on those not to take such stupid courses of action to put them in such positions.

lolokeogh · 20-02-2018 2:49pm

Your Face wrote: »

For the sake of balance.

This was from the The Irish Sun:
"He sentenced him to 12 months’ jail — suspended — and disqualified him from driving for five years.

The judge said the case “deserves” a custodial sentence but he had to be mindful of Collins’ elderly housebound wife.

The judge said there was a “wealth of factors” at play, including the fact it would have been difficult to see Stefan as he had no lights on his bike, no fluorescent jacket or markings on his clothes."

This is a horrible situation for the family and their loss shouldn't be used as cheap outrage fodder.

"balance"...he was not thinking about his wife before getting locked behind a wheel..he has a previous drink driving conviction,so he did not learn his lesson then..nothing but a selfish boll*x that caused the death of a young person with there whole life ahead,id lock him up and throw away the key.he deserves nothing better...

20-02-2018 2:53pm

I saw this awful story. The full report includes

Judge Sean O'Donnabhain at Cork Circuit Criminal Court was told that Mr Cooper was riding his bicycle without a light and while wearing dark clothing.

A number of other drivers reported being concerned about the young man on the road.

The cyclist had apparently been weaving on the road with several drivers saying they found it difficult to pass him.

One motorist was so concerned he turned around on the roadway and was driving back to meet Mr Cooper and offer him a lift home for his own safety.

The motorist was all kinds of wrong, but it sounds like even a sober one could have hit the cyclist

bear1 · 20-02-2018 2:56pm

Deleted User wrote: »

I saw this awful story. The full report includes

The motorist was all kinds of wrong, but it sounds like even a sober one could have hit the cyclist

It also stands to reason that all those drivers were sober and didn't knock him down.
If it were that the driver was indeed sober then neglect would fall on the rider (not too clued on on law terms for that) but death by dangerous driving seems to be the punishment for this individual.
500e year and a trip home is a shambles.
There is nothing to stop this man from getting another car and drink driving again.
He has a history of it.

20-02-2018 2:57pm

Deleted User wrote: »

The motorist was all kinds of wrong, but it sounds like even a sober one could have hit the cyclist

Yet somehow didn't.

If it were my family I'd be glad to see him walking straight out of court.

McMurphy · 20-02-2018 2:58pm

whiskeyman wrote: »

Collins should have been mindful of his elderly housebound wife before he got into his car over the limit.
Just because he has responsibilities, doesn't mean he deserves any less a sentence IMO.
A sentence should punish not just the person, but those that rely on them. That gives further pressure on those not to take such stupid courses of action to put them in such positions.

I'm not so sure about that one tbh, I agree the drunk driver should be jailed, I'm just not advocating punishing someone for the wrongs of their father

Your Face · 20-02-2018 3:06pm

bear1 wrote: »

That's quite nonsensical, if anyone got off cheaply it was the driver.
Regardless of the fact the rider didn't have the appropriate clothing or lights but being impaired (this would have made it even harder to see Stefan) behind the wheel is a massive factor.
If the driver was stone cold sober and still hit the rider then ok I'd have sympathy on both sides.
But this bastard willingly drank and then drove home and in the meantime killed a kid.
He was the main factor.

Typical angry man post - ignore the facts to have a good pub rant.
Using this story to grandstand is a cheap exercise.

I cant believe people would stoop so low as to use this horrible situation to vent their ill-informed opinions.

There are no winners here.

bear1 · 20-02-2018 3:08pm

Your Face wrote: »

Typical angry man post - ignore the facts to have a good pub rant.
Using this story to grandstand is a cheap exercise.

I cant believe people would stoop so low as to use this horrible situation to vent their ill-informed opinions.

There are no winners here.

Ah, I see you're one of those types of posters. :rolleyes:
I'm hardly ignoring the facts, I'm saying that being drunk behind the wheel should be considered the main factor here.
All the other sober drivers saw the person on the bike and didn't hit him yet this driver did.
But go ahead, call me low or an angry man but as far as I'm concerned the driver was the winner here.
Freedom, 500e less in his pocket and he can freely go to the pub tonight with 0 consequences.

Your Face · 20-02-2018 3:13pm

bear1 wrote: »

Ah, I see you're one of those types of posters. :rolleyes:

The 'angry man' typically lacks discussion skills.

kona · 20-02-2018 3:13pm

The actual **** is wrong with this place. He killed somebody while driving 3 times above the legal limit. I can only see one person at fault here.
Cyclists without lights drive me mad, but the double standards in court is a disgrace. If that was a young male driving the car hed be doing a fairly lengthy stretch.

bear1 · 20-02-2018 3:14pm

Your Face wrote: »

The 'angry man' typically lacks discussion skills.

Nope, I have actually edited my post.
Feel free to act like you're appalled at the anger being thrown around.

Your Face · 20-02-2018 3:23pm

bear1 wrote: »

Nope, I have actually edited my post.
Feel free to act like you're appalled at the anger being thrown around.

The complexity of the situation is confusing to this type of poster.
I'm sure they could find a simpler news story to satisfy their anger.

TerrorFirmer · 20-02-2018 3:24pm

I'm sorry, but even if the teenager that died was wearing a cloak of invisibility, the fact that this guy was caught drink driving, already having previous conviction for it, should be an automatic jail sentence.

Sure we had the case recently where a lad was well over the limit, killed one person, left one Garda with life changing injuries and severely hurt another.....and also received a suspended sentence and 5 year ban.

The Government on one hand trying to drill into us how unacceptable drink driving is, while the courts on the other treat it like like a minor offence....even when innocent peoples lives are destroyed or ended.

bear1 · 20-02-2018 3:27pm

Your Face wrote: »

The complexity of the situation is confusing to this type of poster.
I'm sure they could find a simpler news story to satisfy their anger.

Why are you posting nonsense?

yourdeadwright · 20-02-2018 3:41pm

TerrorFirmer wrote: »

I'm sorry, but even if the teenager that died was wearing a cloak of invisibility, the fact that this guy was caught drink driving, already having previous conviction for it, should be an automatic jail sentence.

Sure we had the case recently where a lad was well over the limit, killed one person, left one Garda with life changing injuries and severely hurt another.....and also received a suspended sentence and 5 year ban.

The Government on one hand trying to drill into us how unacceptable drink driving is, while the courts on the other treat it like like a minor offence....even when innocent peoples lives are destroyed or ended.

I have to say the government may as well fu*k there anti drink driving campaigns out the window,
The judge should be ashamed, Honestly its horse sh*t about his sick wife, does that matter to the poor lad's family, what state is he in to look after her if he's 3 times over the limit, Seems the anti drink driving ad's should read only if your male between 17 and 50

shafty100 · 20-02-2018 3:42pm

the family must be furious,considering this man had a previous conviction for dd and gets off so lightly ,and their son gone forever ,what an insult to the family

greenspurs · 20-02-2018 3:48pm

Your Face wrote: »

The complexity of the situation is confusing to this type of poster.
I'm sure they could find a simpler news story to satisfy their anger.

"There are no winners here" ...

Id call walking out of court after killing someone while drunk in control of a car is a win !!!!
Sober drivers saw that lad on his bike, while a drunk driver didn't . It is cut and dry really.

lolokeogh · 20-02-2018 6:21pm

i lost a brother because fo a drink driver,and the same as that sentace was laughable,and i can not even describe how much that hurts,as far as no winners here ya can be sure that greedy,ignorant excuse of a human that was driving is a winner,hes sitting at home with his wife.end off... as we have all stated second offence for drink driving.a pile of dirt is all he is..and nothing more.d.that family have the rest of there lives ruined,and a poor soul that lost there lives because of his pure greed....would make ya sick...theres only one side losing out here,and it aint that scumbag..

cantdecide · 20-02-2018 6:24pm

It was a very bad night and the driver got hammered and took to the road (for at least the second time in his life) and knocked down an innocent kid killing him. He should have got jail regardless of the family's wishes. If he really cared about his wife he shouldn't have made a habit of drink driving. Leap is on a major thoroughfare, it ain't a little crossroads in the middle of nowhere. He's a menace and so is the judge now.

cantdecide · 20-02-2018 6:26pm

lolokeogh wrote: »

i lost a brother because fo a drink driver

I'm so sorry to hear this.

somefeen · 20-02-2018 6:39pm

I can see the logic in a suspended sentence if they don't want to punish the person he is caring for, but one year? One year for killing an 18 year old and previous drink driving convictions.
If your going to hand down a suspended sentence make it count for something.

_Dara_ · 20-02-2018 6:48pm

whiskeyman wrote: »

Collins should have been mindful of his elderly housebound wife before he got into his car over the limit.
Just because he has responsibilities, doesn't mean he deserves any less a sentence IMO.
A sentence should punish not just the person, but those that rely on them. That gives further pressure on those not to take such stupid courses of action to put them in such positions.

I totally disagree with the bolded. Would you be okay with suffering because of someone else’s crime?

He should have been jailed but that his wife would then suffer would be really awful.

cantdecide · 20-02-2018 6:59pm

_Dara_ wrote: »

Would you be okay with suffering because of someone else’s crime?

In theory, this should be a mitigating factor but in this case it seems he's hit the jackpot. If this man was jailed, it would have meant discomfort and not "suffering"

It's a terrible precedent that great responsibility can mean cart blanche for all kinds of scumbaggery.

Your Face · 20-02-2018 7:09pm

bear1 wrote: »

Why are you posting nonsense?

Why are you making this story out to be something its not?

Its such a lowbrow thing to do.

Roger Hassenforder · 20-02-2018 7:59pm

Your Face wrote: »

Why are you making this story out to be something its not?

Its such a lowbrow thing to do.

Motorist disregards his dependants, and three times the limit kills young male cyclist. Motorist has previous DUI. Motorist gets very light sentence because of said dependents.

Whats not to be outraged about?

Hector Bellend · 20-02-2018 8:18pm

yourdeadwright wrote: »

I have to say the government may as well fu*k there anti drink driving campaigns out the window,
The judge should be ashamed, Honestly its horse sh*t about his sick wife, does that matter to the poor lad's family, what state is he in to look after her if he's 3 times over the limit, Seems the anti drink driving ad's should read only if your male between 17 and 50

True.

If she is being used, quite literally , as his get out of jail free card, Why was he down the pub and not at home with her?

Hector Bellend · 20-02-2018 8:23pm

_Dara_ wrote: »

I totally disagree with the bolded. Would you be okay with suffering because of someone else’s crime?

He should have been jailed but that his wife would then suffer would be really awful.

If you are using a person who is ill as a mitigating factor to get off a sentence, what would happen if the same person had a load of scumbags criminals as family members? If this man had a wife who was a jailbird would we use it as an excuse to jail him? I very much doubt it.

It should be a reason for him to behave responsibly not as carte blanche to kill teenagers on his way home from the pub.

bear1 · 20-02-2018 8:26pm

Roger Hassenforder wrote: »

Motorist disregards his dependants, and three times the limit kills young male cyclist. Motorist has previous DUI. Motorist gets very light sentence because of said dependents.

Whats not to be outraged about?

Don't bother, poster is obviously just trying to stir the ****

diomed · 20-02-2018 9:03pm

Why do judges take into account factors that are not part of the offence?
I suppose the 70 year old was too old to be a promising football player so they had to find something irrelevant to pad out their case.

_Dara_ · 20-02-2018 9:33pm

Hector Bellend wrote: »

If you are using a person who is ill as a mitigating factor to get off a sentence, what would happen if the same person had a load of scumbags criminals as family members? If this man had a wife who was a jailbird would we use it as an excuse to jail him? I very much doubt it.

It should be a reason for him to behave responsibly not as carte blanche to kill teenagers on his way home from the pub.

Like I said, he should have beem jailed. But nobody should feel happy at a vulnerable family member suffering because of it. It’s an all round crappy situation.

He should have behaved responsibly but he didn’t. Then what?

yourdeadwright · 21-02-2018 10:49am

Hector Bellend wrote: »

yourdeadwright wrote: »

I have to say the government may as well fu*k there anti drink driving campaigns out the window,
The judge should be ashamed, Honestly its horse sh*t about his sick wife, does that matter to the poor lad's family, what state is he in to look after her if he's 3 times over the limit, Seems the anti drink driving ad's should read only if your male between 17 and 50

True.

If she is being used, quite literally , as his get out of jail free card, Why was he down the pub and not at home with her?

THIS 110%
if he is the sole person to luck after her , he is putting himself in danger driving home 3 times over the limit and not for the first time, The clown should be locked up and the key thrown away , The judge should be ashamed its just mental in this day and age the Judges have no one to answer to

yourdeadwright · 21-02-2018 10:59am

diomed wrote: »

Why do judges take into account factors that are not part of the offence?
I suppose the 70 year old was too old to be a promising football player so they had to find something irrelevant to pad out their case.

Again this really gets to me, They use something that does not have any part of the offence to get him off But if its someone is on trial with a string of similar conviction's your told you can not take them into account,

Grayson · 21-02-2018 12:13pm

diomed wrote: »

Why do judges take into account factors that are not part of the offence?
I suppose the 70 year old was too old to be a promising football player so they had to find something irrelevant to pad out their case.

So if a guy has multiple previous convictions for drink driving, that shouldn't be relevant in sentencing?

External factors can and should be taken into account when sentencing someone.

yourdeadwright · 21-02-2018 12:28pm

Grayson wrote: »

diomed wrote: »

Why do judges take into account factors that are not part of the offence?
I suppose the 70 year old was too old to be a promising football player so they had to find something irrelevant to pad out their case.

So if a guy has multiple previous convictions for drink driving, that shouldn't be relevant in sentencing?

External factors can and should be taken into account when sentencing someone.

That's his point, the previous convictions for similar actions should be taken into account ,
He means why on earth is his sick wife taken into account when its totally separate from his actions of breaking the law,

Chrongen · 21-02-2018 1:17pm

diomed wrote: »

Why do judges take into account factors that are not part of the offence?
I suppose the 70 year old was too old to be a promising football player so they had to find something irrelevant to pad out their case.

Well we heard last week that a judge had to bail a repeat violent offender because there was no room for him in the prison system. The bastard used to attack people in shops with a pole. This 70 year old, old bollocks that he is for drink driving, I would prefer to see him put under house arrest and banned from driving so that his prison cell could be given to the scumbag with scores of priors.

Billy86 · 21-02-2018 1:18pm

Surely we'll be hearing from OAPs around the country on this one giving out about ageism, no?

Hector Bellend · 21-02-2018 1:37pm

_Dara_ wrote: »

Like I said, he should have beem jailed. But nobody should feel happy at a vulnerable family member suffering because of it. It’s an all round crappy situation.

He should have behaved responsibly but he didn’t. Then what?

I don't think anyone said they were happy about it.

The simple fact is that this man committed a crime worthy of imprisonment and used his sick wife to get off. It's not her fault. IT'S HIS. All of it.

yourdeadwright · 21-02-2018 1:55pm

Chrongen wrote: »

diomed wrote: »

Why do judges take into account factors that are not part of the offence?
I suppose the 70 year old was too old to be a promising football player so they had to find something irrelevant to pad out their case.

Well we heard last week that a judge had to bail a repeat violent offender because there was no room for him in the prison system. The bastard used to attack people in shops with a pole. This 70 year old, old bollocks that he is for drink driving, I would prefer to see him put under house arrest and banned from driving so that his prison cell could be given to the scumbag with scores of priors.

One of the two you mentioned has killed someone and one hasn't,
Stop looking at there age and start looking at there crime,

Capt'n Midnight · 21-02-2018 8:04pm

This is his second offence and as he'd over 101mg/100ml the minimum penalty for the drunk driving was 4 years disqualification.

So on top of that he got just another years disqualification.

And a suspended sentence , which only kicks in if he is caught drink driving again.

I can't see how that sort of sentencing will deter anyone who already drink drives. This is not a wake up call.

Demonique · 23-02-2018 12:50am

Your Face wrote: »

The judge said the case “deserves” a custodial sentence but he had to be mindful of Collins’ elderly housebound wife

FFS I'm sick of judges giving people lenient sentences due to family commitments, Collins should have thought of his wife before he drove drunk

c.p.w.g.w · 23-02-2018 12:52am

bear1 wrote: »

https://www.irishexaminer.com/ireland/dad-tells-of-being-forced-to-leave-dead-son-on-roadside-467372.html

Collins, who had a previous drink drive conviction from 2006, pleaded guilty to driving a car with excess alcohol — 140 mgs of alcohol per 100 mls of blood at a time when the limit was 50 mgs.

The 70 year-old, of The Bungalow, Threegneeves, Leap, Co Cork, also pleaded guilty to charges of driving without due care and attention causing Stefan’s death.

Yesterday, he was given a one year suspended jail term, a €500 fine, and was banned from driving for five years.

So this guy was driving above the limit, hit and killed an 18 year old kid and he gets a 1 year suspended sentence, 500 euro fine and banned from driving...
Surely to God this will be appealed?
Absolute disgrace to be given, what in my eyes, such a lenient sentence.
500e fine just adds insult to injury.
When will there be a full review of the idiotc sentences handed down in this country?
This dead 18 year old's life in the eyes of this particular judge/law was a slap on the wrist it seems.
Disgusting.

Lets hope he takes a fall down a few stairs while drunk and leaves this world...would certainly make the world a little bit better

What in the actual f**k?

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