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  • 07-05-2021 10:00pm
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    Dickie10
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    Hi all, I am currently applying for jobs as i have to interview for my own few hours in the school i am in this year so looking at what else is out there too. I see a job with my subjects and require written reference, I would rather not get my current Dp OR PRICIPAL to give me the reference as it would be slightly awkward. Could i go back to a DP i had 2 years ago and the other placement school I had in 2016? I presume they want references from deputy pricipals or principals?


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    mtoutlemonde
    Registered Users Posts: 2,120 ✭✭✭mtoutlemonde


    Dickie10 wrote: »
    Hi all, I am currently applying for jobs as i have to interview for my own few hours in the school i am in this year so looking at what else is out there too. I see a job with my subjects and require written reference, I would rather not get my current Dp OR PRICIPAL to give me the reference as it would be slightly awkward. Could i go back to a DP i had 2 years ago and the other placement school I had in 2016? I presume they want references from deputy pricipals or principals?

    Firstly, don't be offended but get the spelling of the word principal correct or you won't be considered for interview.

    Whether you ask your principal or not, they will be contacted so if I were you, have the conversation about your future in the school and tell him/her that you like the school but you have to get a considerable contract, you have seen a post and a written reference is necessary, could they supply you with one. Honesty is the best policy. I always asked for written references when I was subbing - even to get an idea of what the principal thought of me.

    As an aside - I thought you had been sorted - should you not be getting a CID?

    Best of luck.


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    noplacehere
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    Principals are well used to giving references to staff, particularly anyone on less than full hours. I would just be honest with them and say look I want to stay but I need to keep my options open


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    Dickie10
    Registered Users Posts: 3,864 ✭✭✭Dickie10


    Ah that sounds good, perhaps I will ask the DP so. Just wondering when they say recent, would 4 years be too far back?


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    mtoutlemonde
    Registered Users Posts: 2,120 ✭✭✭mtoutlemonde


    Dickie10 wrote: »
    Ah that sounds good, perhaps I will ask the DP so. Just wondering when they say recent, would 4 years be too far back?

    Why the DP and not the principal - that would cause alarm bells in my head. When I applied for jobs, I sent in all my references up to current.


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    Dickie10
    Registered Users Posts: 3,864 ✭✭✭Dickie10


    ah ok great, its just I wouldnt have had much dealings with the principal most teachers dont have much dealing with Principal. So you dont think they would mind me asking for a reference even though I will be interviewing for my own job?


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    History Queen
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    Dickie10 wrote: »
    ah ok great, its just I wouldnt have had much dealings with the principal most teachers dont have much dealing with Principal. So you dont think they would mind me asking for a reference even though I will be interviewing for my own job?

    No no problem whatsoever. It's natural and normal. Most people (myself included) would do and have done, the same in your shoes.


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    mtoutlemonde
    Registered Users Posts: 2,120 ✭✭✭mtoutlemonde


    Dickie10 wrote: »
    ah ok great, its just I wouldnt have had much dealings with the principal most teachers dont have much dealing with Principal. So you dont think they would mind me asking for a reference even though I will be interviewing for my own job?

    They are the management in the school and believe me if you think they don't see what is happening, your teaching style, classroom management etc., it will have been noted. Principal could also take offence that you asked DP and not them.


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    Dickie10
    Registered Users Posts: 3,864 ✭✭✭Dickie10


    oh thats great thanks very much for the info. Yes I have been using the last two years as an interview process, putting new TY programs and the a few other things i got up and running so i hope they have noticed!


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    mtoutlemonde
    Registered Users Posts: 2,120 ✭✭✭mtoutlemonde


    Dickie10 wrote: »
    oh thats great thanks very much for the info. Yes I have been using the last two years as an interview process, putting new TY programs and the a few other things i got up and running so i hope they have noticed!

    Are you 100% sure, you're not entitled to a CID? For those two years, have you been in the same school? Are you in a union? PM if you want.


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    Dickie10
    Registered Users Posts: 3,864 ✭✭✭Dickie10


    No the first year I hadnt my own hours. I asked the principal and she said it would be at the end of this coming year 21-22. Just on the reference would it be any use to get one from my parish priest as the school in question is a Catholic school with strong Catholic ethos in that the principal is still a priest in the school.? One academic and one from a priest in my parish?


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    mtoutlemonde
    Registered Users Posts: 2,120 ✭✭✭mtoutlemonde


    Dickie10 wrote: »
    No the first year I hadnt my own hours. I asked the principal and she said it would be at the end of this coming year 21-22. Just on the reference would it be any use to get one from my parish priest as the school in question is a Catholic school with strong Catholic ethos in that the principal is still a priest in the school.? One academic and one from a priest in my parish?

    What was the nature of the contract? (If you don't mind me asking?) This could be important. Have you had two contracts? Are you a member of a union? I suggest you get on to them and get it checked out. Even a CID for low hours is permanency and your timetable has to be filled before recruitment of new teacher(s) ... subject to school needs.

    Never mind the priest - it would be as much good as me writing a reference for you. You also find some religious schools are not that religious with some of the things that happen in them.


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    Dickie10
    Registered Users Posts: 3,864 ✭✭✭Dickie10


    Ok thank you! maybe i could PM you with details?


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    mtoutlemonde
    Registered Users Posts: 2,120 ✭✭✭mtoutlemonde


    Dickie10 wrote: »
    Ok thank you! maybe i could PM you with details?

    Yes, I suggested that earlier - fire away. I may not be able to help but we'll see.


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    Dickie10
    Registered Users Posts: 3,864 ✭✭✭Dickie10


    Thanks all, I was talking to both former principals today and they are doing up references for me and were delighted to help. I also decided I would get some interview coaching at a cost but hopefully worth it. Has anyone any experience of using these services?


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    mtoutlemonde
    Registered Users Posts: 2,120 ✭✭✭mtoutlemonde


    Dickie10 wrote: »
    Thanks all, I was talking to both former principals today and they are doing up references for me and were delighted to help. I also decided I would get some interview coaching at a cost but hopefully worth it. Has anyone any experience of using these services?

    I didn't get your PM - you obviously don't want to discuss your situation. You could be entitled to a CID but sure get on to the previous principals and get the coaching but ignore the permanency when you might need these things. You're obviously not in a union either so a principal can do as they wish. Anyway good luck to you.


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