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    #32
    Burkie1203
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    Dav010 wrote: »
    I doubt there will be much enthusiasm amongst the players to head off on tour, there appears to have been significant problems reported with the English cricket team, both physical and mental whilst on tour. I was looking forward to travelling to SA if circumstances were right, definitely not going now, even if I was vaccinated.

    Yeah players were confined to hotel 24/7 more or less. Single rooms no sharing, team room was pretty much a no go etc. England cricket team spent the guts of 3 months in a bubble over summer too to fulfil 2 test and one day series as well as games v Ireland. Its hard going over several months.

    Lions tour would be the same and its 2 months at the end of a long season.


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    #33
    Burkie1203
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    https://twitter.com/RuaidhriOC/status/1340661860866150400?s=19


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    #34
    Former Former Former
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    www.bloomberg.com/amp/news/articles/2020-12-05/south-africa-expects-first-virus-vaccine-delivery-by-mid-2021

    This isn't very encouraging


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    #35
    Dog Botherer
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    least surprising news i’ve seen in weeks


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    #36
    Dav010
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    Must also put SA teams joining Pro 14 in 2021 in doubt.


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    #37
    AbusesToilets
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    what odds on them looking to another country to fulfill the tour, versus outright cancelling it?


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    #38
    The Lost Sheep
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    AbusesToilets wrote: »
    what odds on them looking to another country to fulfill the tour, versus outright cancelling it?
    what country?
    If SA doesnt happen the tour doesnt happen.


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    #39
    hahashake
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    Hilarious username post/like combination.


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    #40
    AbusesToilets
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    The Lost Sheep wrote: »
    what country?
    If SA doesnt happen the tour doesnt happen.

    One of the other SAANZAR countries presumably.


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    #41
    The Lost Sheep
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    AbusesToilets wrote: »
    One of the other SAANZAR countries presumably.
    Never could/would happen. its less than 6 months away. if SA doesnt happen there isnt going to be a tour at all


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    #42
    Burkie1203
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    No way this tour goes ahead IMO

    https://twitter.com/FoyChris/status/1345137720792907776?s=19


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    #43
    Sheep Shagger
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    Was never going to happen....

    The commercial aspect of announcing sponsors and the jersey all has to happen as part of the massive gravey train that the tour has become.


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    #44
    Louis Friend
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    It’s very hard to see the Tour going ahead.

    So what are the options?

    - The Tests go ahead in the UK & Ireland

    - The Tour gets pushed back to 2022

    - The Tests go ahead in another country (e.g. USA, Dubai, France, Australia, Argentina, New Zealand)

    - The whole thing is abandoned

    The revenue is badly needed, so I think there’s a decent chance that the Tests will be played in the UK & Ireland this summer. But the most likely outcome is a 2022 Lions Tour, subject to South Africa’s existing commitments for the Summer of 2022 being moveable.


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    #45
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    Louis Friend wrote: »
    It’s very hard to see the Tour going ahead.

    So what are the options?

    - The Tests go ahead in the UK & Ireland

    - The Tour gets pushed back to 2022

    - The Tests go ahead in another country (e.g. USA, Dubai, France, Australia, Argentina, New Zealand)

    - The whole thing is abandoned

    For commercial reasons the tour will happen at some stage. Given how much WR tried to push the 2023 world cup to south africa there is clearly an ongoing need for finances within the game there and I'd imagine a Lions tour would be a huge part of that.


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    #46
    Buddy Bubs
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    We dropped our plans to go on this a few months back. Even if it does I'm not going to south Africa amid restrictions and isolating when I come home.


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    #47
    irishbucsfan
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    I could see the tour being pushed back to 2022 but I'd imagine if that happens there will be tests hastily organised to replace it this summer and South Africa may get a tour of Europe out of it to keep them going.

    They're not going to be out of the woods for a long time down there unfortunately


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    #48
    Sheep Shagger
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    Louis Friend wrote: »
    It’s very hard to see the Tour going ahead.

    So what are the options?

    - The Tests go ahead in the UK & Ireland

    - The Tour gets pushed back to 2022

    - The Tests go ahead in another country (e.g. USA, Dubai, France, Australia, Argentina, New Zealand)

    - The whole thing is abandoned

    Moving to 2022 or abandonment seems the most likely.

    Getting a tour up and running in another country would be a logistical nightmare. No country wants big crowds at this stage either.


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    #49
    Louis Friend
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    I’m booked to go but everything is moveable/cancellable. Very disappointing but it’s a first world problem.


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    #50
    hahashake
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    Another wrinkle is Gatland is only contracted for 2021, however I'm sure an agreement could be made.

    Seen a few people on twitter mentioning 6N being pushed to summer and Lions till 2022.


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    #51
    Sheep Shagger
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    Buddy Bubs wrote: »
    We dropped our plans to go on this a few months back. Even if it does I'm not going to south Africa amid restrictions and isolating when I come home.

    I really don't know why anyone would want to travel to SA for this or anything else while covid is around.


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    #52
    Louis Friend
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    Sheep Shagger wrote: »
    Moving to 2022 or abandonment seems the most likely.

    Getting a tour up and running in another country would be a logistical nightmare. No country wants big crowds at this stage either.

    I couldn’t see a Tour being organised but given the urgency and seriousness of the money situation within rugby, and within Southern Hemisphere rugby specifically, I could see the Tests being hosted elsewhere. A la the AIG stuff in Chicago for example. But the UK & Ireland would make most sense.


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    #53
    Sheep Shagger
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    Louis Friend wrote: »
    I couldn’t see a Tour being organised but given the urgency and seriousness of the money situation within rugby, and within Southern Hemisphere rugby specifically, I could see the Tests being hosted elsewhere. A la the AIG stuff in Chicago for example. But the UK & Ireland would make most sense.

    Comes down to if they want to play them behind closed doors or not. Gates receipts are important....can't see either the UK or IE authorities wanting a tour given current numbers.

    Move it to Chicago etc but there won't be any crowds.


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    #54
    Louis Friend
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    I think we can have crowds here in July/August


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    #55
    Sheep Shagger
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    Louis Friend wrote: »
    I think we can have crowds here in July/August

    No chance, need the general population vaccinated before that can happen and that won't be by then.


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    #56
    The Lost Sheep
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    Louis Friend wrote: »
    It’s very hard to see the Tour going ahead.

    So what are the options?

    - The Tests go ahead in the UK & Ireland

    - The Tour gets pushed back to 2022

    - The Tests go ahead in another country (e.g. USA, Dubai, France, Australia, Argentina, New Zealand)

    - The whole thing is abandoned

    The revenue is badly needed, so I think there’s a decent chance that the Tests will be played in the UK & Ireland this summer. But the most likely outcome is a 2022 Lions Tour, subject to South Africa’s existing commitments for the Summer of 2022 being moveable.
    Wouldnt see anything happen like tests going on up here or in another country. the revenue is needed and games in SA is what'll happen but a much reduced schedule
    Deleted User wrote: »
    For commercial reasons the tour will happen at some stage. Given how much WR tried to push the 2023 world cup to south africa there is clearly an ongoing need for finances within the game there and I'd imagine a Lions tour would be a huge part of that.
    The finances are badly needed down there. Could help stop some of the exodus to europe.
    Louis Friend wrote: »
    I think we can have crowds here in July/August
    Very limited numbers and highly restricted maybe but near full capacity? Not a chance


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    #57
    The Lost Sheep
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    Also BBC are getting people to pick their test sides and will put up results next week
    https://www.bbc.com/sport/rugby-union/55402821


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    #58
    Louis Friend
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    I can genuinely see the Tests happening here in July/August. There’s already a sell-out Test in Murrayfield vs Japan. A Test in Twickenham, one in Cardiff, and one in the Aviva. The revenue would be massive from the ticket sales and would be split with the South African union, which would bail them out. Most of the general population will be vaccinated by then and the economy will be fully open. It’s the answer.


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    #59
    Squidgy Black
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    Louis Friend wrote: »
    I can genuinely see the Tests happening here in July/August. There’s already a sell-out Test in Murrayfield vs Japan. A Test in Twickenham, one in Cardiff, and one in the Aviva. The revenue would be massive from the ticket sales and would be split with the South African union, which would bail them out. Most of the general population will be vaccinated by then and the economy will be fully open. It’s the answer.

    I think that's extremely optimistic, considering the government themselves aren't planning on doing a general rollout to the wider public of the vaccine until the second quarter of 2021 and it requires 2 doses.


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    #60
    OldRio
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    Louis Friend wrote: »
    I can genuinely see the Tests happening here in July/August. There’s already a sell-out Test in Murrayfield vs Japan. A Test in Twickenham, one in Cardiff, and one in the Aviva. The revenue would be massive from the ticket sales and would be split with the South African union, which would bail them out. Most of the general population will be vaccinated by then and the economy will be fully open. It’s the answer.

    Not a chance.


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    #61
    Louis Friend
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    OldRio wrote: »
    Not a chance.

    Why not?

    We’re talking about 6/7 months’ time.

    The UK is aiming to have 30m people vaccinated by summer.


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