VW ID.3

ewj1978 · 17-05-2021 2:51pm

DrPhilG wrote: »

Just got offered €14k.

I'll sell privately so, easily well above that.

Just been offered 12.5k.. what are these lads smoking?
I'm going to wait the rest of the day and see how low they can go ðŸ€£

DrPhilG · 17-05-2021 4:17pm

ewj1978 wrote: »

Just been offered 12.5k.. what are these lads smoking?

Fella here admitted that he wasn't really interested in taking it. Although his logic was a bit daft. He saw the i3 as an urban only car due to the low range. My logic is that if you're an urban driver and don't need long range, you'd buy the BEV.

It's people like me, rural but with fairly frequent long range runs that the REx was tailor made for. EV covers 90% of my needs, REx enables long range travel.

Anyway, I'll ask around. Someone listed one here a few days ago for €18k and it had higher mileage and lower spec.

17-05-2021 4:20pm

electricus wrote: »

Same here, aside from the long range I wanted the safety features.

I'm also hoping the puncture protected tyres (Airstop?) make up a little bit for not being able to carry a spare. Other than that I'd happily take the 18" wheels on the 2 tonne monster!!

Tour 5 comes with 19 inch I think.

It will be interesting to see how the car handles the weight for the size of the car, I reckon it will have a bone shattering suspension, hopefully not. :eek:

Definitely, the best thing for me will be range, recharge time at HPC where available and most of all the travel assist, can't wait to try this out, will be great now the N7 is back to very heavy traffic but not yet back to gridlock.

ewj1978 · 17-05-2021 4:56pm

DrPhilG wrote: »

Anyway, I'll ask around. Someone listed one here a few days ago for €18k and it had higher mileage and lower spec.

think that was me

Been offered 15 as a max so far.

DrPhilG · 17-05-2021 5:11pm

ewj1978 wrote: »

think that was me

Been offered 15 as a max so far.

By a different VW dealer?

ewj1978 · 17-05-2021 5:30pm

aye, have about ten of them on the go now.

DrPhilG · 17-05-2021 6:30pm

ewj1978 wrote: »

aye, have about ten of them on the go now.

It's a tough one. Can't see them going much higher to be honest, certainly not anywhere near your private listing. I'm in the same boat.

And selling a second hand car privately with that kind of value may be difficult.

electricus · 17-05-2021 7:14pm

Deleted User wrote: »

Tour 5 comes with 19 inch I think.

It will be interesting to see how the car handles the weight for the size of the car, I reckon it will have a bone shattering suspension, hopefully not. :eek:

Definitely, the best thing for me will be range, recharge time at HPC where available and most of all the travel assist, can't wait to try this out, will be great now the N7 is back to very heavy traffic but not yet back to gridlock.

It has 19s alright, hopefully the ride quality isn’t impacted too much by the weight or I’ll be in trouble. My wife loved the Family version we had for a test drive - not getting the glass roof is bad enough! I'm hoping more range will come in handy for longer winter journeys.

From what I’ve read/ watch on YouTube, the ride is expected to be much the same as the 4-seat tour due to weight savings (no glass roof, auto seats, etc.) to keep the same or a slightly lower weight. Battery weight in the brochure is also TBC, so maybe changes there too.

17-05-2021 8:44pm

electricus wrote: »

It has 19s alright, hopefully the ride quality isn’t impacted too much by the weight or I’ll be in trouble. My wife loved the Family version we had for a test drive - not getting the glass roof is bad enough! I'm hoping more range will come in handy for longer winter journeys.

From what I’ve read/ watch on YouTube, the ride is expected to be much the same as the 4-seat tour due to weight savings (no glass roof, auto seats, etc.) to keep the same or a slightly lower weight. Battery weight in the brochure is also TBC, so maybe changes there too.

The extra range will certainly be good when you want it along with faster charging when you can charge at a HPc but it will be interesting to see how vw manage the battery temp for charging, that's if they will at all.

nkay1985 · 17-05-2021 8:48pm

DrPhilG wrote: »

Missus isn't best pleased at spending the money, but she also wants a new kitchen. Cunning plan, if I put down the minimum deposit rather than the max, I could essentially get her kitchen done at 0% finance by spending the deposit money on it rather than the car.

So rather than 2 separate finance deals with 1 of them at 6%, I'd consolidate and save a bomb in interest.

Great minds think alike - had the same conversation with my dealer the other day as we're planning an extension of some kind so stands to reason that I should pay less deposit and finance more of the car at the 0% rate.

Bif · 18-05-2021 3:23pm

Folks. Anyone drive both 58 and 77 kw versions? How do they compare handing wise? Thanks.

ewj1978 · 18-05-2021 3:40pm

DrPhilG wrote: »

It's a tough one. Can't see them going much higher to be honest, certainly not anywhere near your private listing. I'm in the same boat.

And selling a second hand car privately with that kind of value may be difficult.

Zu car( the we buy any car of Ireland) will give 13k.
Some of the vw dealers are below that..

ewj1978 · 18-05-2021 3:41pm

been confirmed btw, 12 weeks from date of order.

electricus · 18-05-2021 4:12pm

ewj1978 wrote: »

been confirmed btw, 12 weeks from date of order.

Which version did you order?

eagerv · 18-05-2021 4:16pm

Bif wrote: »

Folks. Anyone drive both 58 and 77 kw versions? How do they compare handing wise? Thanks.

Would be interested to know myself.. Silent Running..?
I have had 3 heavy passengers in mine (58kWh) and the handling has been fine. You would notice a slight power decrease, but nothing too serious. If anything, the car was a little more comfortable on the bad roads. I wonder what, if any, changes there are to the suspension on the 77kWh?

18-05-2021 4:20pm

eagerv wrote: »

Would be interested to know myself.. Silent Running..?
I have had 3 heavy passengers in mine (58kWh) and the handling has been fine. You would notice a slight power decrease, but nothing too serious. If anything, the car was a little more comfortable on the bad roads. I wonder what, if any, changes there are to the suspension on the 77kWh?

I'd imagine the suspension will be stiffer but the extra weight could make it feel the same. I found the id.4 suspension too firm on back roads not helped with 19 inch wheels.

Silent Running · 18-05-2021 5:00pm

eagerv wrote: »

Would be interested to know myself.. Silent Running..?
I have had 3 heavy passengers in mine (58kWh) and the handling has been fine. You would notice a slight power decrease, but nothing too serious. If anything, the car was a little more comfortable on the bad roads. I wonder what, if any, changes there are to the suspension on the 77kWh?

Hard to tell really. I drive my own car differently than I drive the loaner (like I stole it

)

If I had to say, and based on nothing at all but feeling, I'd say that the 58kWh is a bit more nimble. I've had no handling problems with my Tour. It grips well, but going fast into a tight bend, you feel the extra weight.

I'll be back in the loaner tomorrow, so I'll try to do a bit of a comparison.

DrPhilG · 18-05-2021 5:04pm

I trust you're all "Sport" mode drivers, none of this Eco crap?

Silent Running · 18-05-2021 5:40pm

DrPhilG wrote: »

I trust you're all "Sport" mode drivers, none of this Eco crap?

None of this Eco crap here... but I didn't like sport mode in the Ioniq (throttle too twitchy) and I never really bothered in the e-Niro either, just the normal mode was fine.

With the ID.3 you can set your preferences in the individual mode. If I had the use of my car for any length of time, I might play with that setting. :P

18-05-2021 6:33pm

DrPhilG wrote: »

I trust you're all "Sport" mode drivers, none of this Eco crap?

Your inbox is full ! you won't receive any more messages until you free up space

eagerv · 18-05-2021 6:47pm

DrPhilG wrote: »

I trust you're all "Sport" mode drivers, none of this Eco crap?

Don't like Sport mode on the ID.3, because regen is too strong for me. I prefer zero regen, which then utilises the smart regen. But I do like the throttle response of "Sport", so usually use an individual mode made up how I like it. Or comfort mode which is just as fast as sport. Depends on my mood:).

Phil, hope you tried the smart regen, or what ever it is called. It's quite clever, slowing up at roundabouts, junctions, vehicles ahead, speed limits etc.

DrPhilG · 18-05-2021 6:52pm

eagerv wrote: »

Phil, hope you tried the smart regen, or what ever it is called. It's quite clever, slowing up at roundabouts, junctions, vehicles ahead, speed limits etc.

Ooh, never spotted that and I dug through pretty much every menu.

eagerv · 18-05-2021 6:54pm

DrPhilG wrote: »

Ooh, never spotted that and I dug through pretty much every menu.

Think it comes on by default if you are in any other mode than Sport. Providing you are in "D".

Pity, I like it..

fits · 18-05-2021 7:01pm

Silent Running wrote: »

None of this Eco crap here... but I didn't like sport mode in the Ioniq (throttle too twitchy) and I never really bothered in the e-Niro either, just the normal mode was fine.

With the ID.3 you can set your preferences in the individual mode. If I had the use of my car for any length of time, I might play with that setting. :P

What’s up with it now? Sometimes I wonder at our decision with all the issues.

electricus · 18-05-2021 7:09pm

eagerv wrote: »

Don't like Sport mode on the ID.3, because regen is too strong for me. I prefer zero regen, which then utilises the smart regen. But I do like the throttle response of "Sport", so usually use an individual mode made up how I like it. Or comfort mode which is just as fast as sport. Depends on my mood:).

Phil, hope you tried the smart regen, or what ever it is called. It's quite clever, slowing up at roundabouts, junctions, vehicles ahead, speed limits etc.

I noticed that in my test drive, its cool the way it seems to regen based on the road ahead - using the camera I assume?

Silent Running · 18-05-2021 7:16pm

fits wrote: »

What’s up with it now? Sometimes I wonder at our decision with all the issues.

Thankfully, the problems I'm having are pretty rare. My car just doesn't seem to get on with the 2.1 software.
The ICAS1 module has already been replaced and it partially solved the problem of installing the update, but some of it doesn't seem to have taken.

The dealer is having a live session with Wolfsburg, with the car connected to the diagnostic system. They seem confident.... again.

eagerv · 18-05-2021 7:21pm

electricus wrote: »

I noticed that in my test drive, its cool the way it seems to regen based on the road ahead - using the camera I assume?

Yes it's great for economy. Car free wheels unless it needs to slow up.

And you can set the speed limit to +5km/h or whatever to allow for error

Silent Running · 18-05-2021 7:29pm

eagerv wrote: »

Yes it's great for economy. Car free wheels unless it needs to slow up.

And you can set the speed limit to +5km/h or whatever to allow for error

Can you??

:D

nkay1985 · 18-05-2021 7:29pm

Dealer told me this afternoon that he's been invoiced for my car so he expects it to be ready to go next week sometime. Here's hoping!

electricus · 18-05-2021 8:03pm

Silent Running wrote: »

Hard to tell really. I drive my own car differently than I drive the loaner (like I stole it )

If I had to say, and based on nothing at all but feeling, I'd say that the 58kWh is a bit more nimble. I've had no handling problems with my Tour. It grips well, but going fast into a tight bend, you feel the extra weight.

I'll be back in the loaner tomorrow, so I'll try to do a bit of a comparison.

These are the weight differences between the Family (58) and the Tour versions. It looks like the 5 seat Tour is lighter than the 4 seat but has a higher max load - is that likely to mean a harder ride when empty but softer at full load? (not to be quoted out of context

)

ewj1978 · 18-05-2021 8:14pm

electricus wrote: »

Which version did you order?

Tour 5. Haven't ordered yet. Still haggling.

Bif · 18-05-2021 9:58pm

ewj1978 wrote: »

Tour 5. Haven't ordered yet. Still haggling.

Are dealers discounting much for a straight deal?

Patmwgs · 18-05-2021 10:16pm

Bif wrote: »

Are dealers discounting much for a straight deal?

I was offered the life base model with metallic paint for 33000 straight, 34000 with pcp

ewj1978 · 18-05-2021 11:36pm

Bif wrote: »

Are dealers discounting much for a straight deal?

best i've got so far is 2.5k off list price.

charlieIRL · 19-05-2021 11:27am

Patmwgs wrote: »

We bought an in stock base model scale silver, it still took a week for paperwork.

really? I was told it only takes a day or two for a car which is in stock

Patmwgs · 19-05-2021 2:36pm

charlieIRL wrote: »

really? I was told it only takes a day or two for a car which is in stock

They have to apply for the grant on your behalf after you sign up and register the car. Thats after you are approved of the finance it you go down that road.

eagerv · 19-05-2021 2:39pm

Have a longish trip tomorrow morning, from west Wexford to near Foynes, Limerick, then home later. About 350km total.

Had a look at charging on route, it's pretty dismal apart from a few 11kW. The only faster charger on route as far as I can see is Clonmel, so may detour a little via Ionity Cashel on way home.

Road is generally a slower one, reckon could do the whole trip without charging if there wasn't torrential rain and stormy weather forecast..:(

DrPhilG · 19-05-2021 2:42pm

With regards to the difference in speed and handling on the 58kWh/77kWh. I asked the question on Facebook and got this from someone who owned both.

the_amazing_raisin · 19-05-2021 2:48pm

Did they answer in size 36 font or was that just your screenshot?

electricus · 19-05-2021 2:50pm

DrPhilG wrote: »

With regards to the difference in speed and handling on the 58kWh/77kWh. I asked the question on Facebook and got this from someone who owned both.

Very interesting, I was expecting the opposite!!

eagerv · 19-05-2021 2:53pm

DrPhilG wrote: »

With regards to the difference in speed and handling on the 58kWh/77kWh. I asked the question on Facebook and got this from someone who owned both.

Would be interested to know what make of tyres were on the two cars

KCross · 19-05-2021 3:05pm

eagerv wrote: »

Would be interested to know what make of tyres were on the two cars

There's that and also the windscreens... some have the insulated windscreen/windows, other trims dont, so I wouldnt make any assumptions about 58 vs 77 just on that comment.

Bif · 19-05-2021 3:09pm

That is really interesting. Thanks Phil. I have two other queries re ID3 spec:
1) can anyone detail their experience of 18” v 19” wheels in terms of handling, comfort and road noise?
2) can anyone say if the upgraded sound system (extra two speakers) is much better than basic system?

Thanks.

BTW. I have had two short trips in two different cars, one with 18 and one with 19” wheels. For what it’s worth on such short trips my own view is the car with 18” wheels was more comfortable.

fafy · 19-05-2021 3:12pm

ewj1978 wrote: »

best i've got so far is 2.5k off list price.

VW Ireland updated the price list last week, (the one dated May 10th)if one looks at the Life 58kw, they added a third one,(204hp) which is €1,800 cheaper than normal 58kw 204hp version, but marked with * so very limited stock available.

https://www.volkswagen.ie/idhub/content/dam/onehub_pkw/importers/ie/models/product-guides/2021/my21_master/ID3_MY21.pdf

Mr Q · 19-05-2021 3:22pm

Bif wrote: »

That is really interesting. Thanks Phil. I have two other queries re ID3 spec:
1) can anyone detail their experience of 18” v 19” wheels in terms of handling, comfort and road noise?
2) can anyone say if the upgraded sound system (extra two speakers) is much better than basic system?

I have driven an ID.3 on 20s and the 18s and to me it handles better on the 20s. It is definitely noisier and you normally lose some of the comfort as you go up in sizes.

Not heard the system with 6 speakers. But you will have 6 cheap speakers instead of 4 cheap speakers. Will be louder I assume but not better. They seem to cut out the lower frequencies as you turn it up, to protect the speakers probably.

DrPhilG · 19-05-2021 3:37pm

Lol, just the screenshot. Sorry the font looks fine on my phone, maybe it's massive on a PC?

I've asked about the tyre sizes. And yes the spec of the car maybe has an impact.

Silent Running · 19-05-2021 3:46pm

DrPhilG wrote: »

With regards to the difference in speed and handling on the 58kWh/77kWh. I asked the question on Facebook and got this from someone who owned both.

I agree with his assessment!

Back in the ID.3 1st Plus now. It's a little more bouncy on bumpy roads than the Tour.

It's interesting how much better it is with the software working well. It kinda feels like the car should feel. Everything just works. Probably aside from timed charging.

eagerv · 19-05-2021 3:48pm

Bif wrote: »

That is really interesting. Thanks Phil. I have two other queries re ID3 spec:
1) can anyone detail their experience of 18” v 19” wheels in terms of handling, comfort and road noise?
2) can anyone say if the upgraded sound system (extra two speakers) is much better than basic system?

Thanks.

BTW. I have had two short trips in two different cars, one with 18 and one with 19” wheels. For what it’s worth on such short trips my own view is the car with 18” wheels was more comfortable.

I had a Plus for two days with 19" Continentals (IIRC). My own has 18" Goodyear.

If anything I would say the 18" were a little quieter and more comfortable. But hardly noticeable. I did notice that the 19" tracked slightly better, self centering quicker after a turn. Felt a little sportier. But could have been down to tyre pressures and make.

Patmwgs · 19-05-2021 4:45pm

Bif wrote: »

That is really interesting. Thanks Phil. I have two other queries re ID3 spec:
1) can anyone detail their experience of 18” v 19” wheels in terms of handling, comfort and road noise?
2) can anyone say if the upgraded sound system (extra two speakers) is much better than basic system?

Thanks.

BTW. I have had two short trips in two different cars, one with 18 and one with 19” wheels. For what it’s worth on such short trips my own view is the car with 18” wheels was more comfortable.

If you read up on the uk id3 forum plus the speakev forum, they are of the opinion 18inch has more rubber between you and the road and is the best comfort wise on the bad roads.

DrPhilG · 19-05-2021 4:50pm

Both folk on Facebook who said similar, (minimally less power but more comfortable), were using 19" on both cars they drove.

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