3 bay slatted shed costs 2017/18

Paddydans · 05-10-2017 6:21pm #1

Hi,

I'm hoping to put up a 3 bay slatted shed next year. I'm putting in a 14ft 6 slat, two agitating points. A frame shed, 10ft creep area/calving pens, and 14ft feed passage. Plan on putting barriers at the back of each pen alot with a small gate to the creep area. I'm not going for the grant. I'm wondering if any of you have put up similar sheds or size tank? Looking for rough costs? Opinions on slats, gates, barriers and so on??

tanko · 05-10-2017 8:05pm

Cant help you with the costs but im curious why you wouldnt go for the grant?

Paddydans · 05-10-2017 8:31pm

tanko wrote: »

Cant help you with the costs but im curious why you wouldnt go for the grant?

If I go for it a grant I'll have to get full planning permission, only need written permission from one man next door going down the other route. As an unqualified farmer I'd be entitled to 40% grant, but weighing it up from a few people I've spoken to, most have said that it works out at roughly the same cos. I don't plan on cutting corners on the important stuff, but some things for grant spec are a bit over the top.

shrek008 · 05-10-2017 8:45pm

Just did one, 3 bay 14'6" tank, grant spec, 400mm walls on tank as shed is sitting on them,stone included but not digging out,€8500. 14'6" tractor slats €3500. All prices ex vat

Paddydans · 05-10-2017 8:58pm

shrek008 wrote: »

Just did one, 3 bay 14'6" tank, grant spec, 400mm walls on tank as shed is sitting on them,stone included but not digging out,€8500. 14'6" tractor slats €3500. All prices ex vat

Thanks, I had a figure of €20,000 Inc. To be finished to ground level, have a good bit of fill to put in on one side, and concrete would probably be on the dearer side because I'm 20 miles from the nearest concrete plant. Who did you buy the slats from?

shrek008 · 05-10-2017 9:32pm

Paddydans wrote: »

Thanks, I had a figure of €20,000 Inc. To be finished to ground level, have a good bit of fill to put in on one side, and concrete would probably be on the dearer side because I'm 20 miles from the nearest concrete plant. Who did you buy the slats from?

Harringtons. Concrete prices vary hugely, so do plenty of shopping around.

Tyson Lannister · 06-10-2017 1:03am

Paddydans wrote: »

Hi,

I'm hoping to put up a 3 bay slatted shed next year. I'm putting in a 14ft 6 slat, two agitating points. A frame shed, 10ft creep area/calving pens, and 14ft feed passage. Plan on putting barriers at the back of each pen alot with a small gate to the creep area. I'm not going for the grant. I'm wondering if any of you have put up similar sheds or size tank? Looking for rough costs? Opinions on slats, gates, barriers and so on??

It sounds like you're going for a planning exemption when you mention needing
A signature from the man next door. You know there's no problem getting the grant from a section 5 exemption as opposed to full planning right?

Paddydans · 06-10-2017 8:23am

Tyson Lannister wrote: »

It sounds like you're going for a planning exemption when you mention needing
A signature from the man next door. You know there's no problem getting the grant from a section 5 exemption as opposed to full planning right?

Never knew that Tyson, who would be best to go to, to find out all the ins and outs of it, teagasc??

Farmer · 06-10-2017 9:12am

Just my 2 cents
Go 14 foot creep and stick a crush along the back wall. 10 in a bit tight even just as a creep. You need comfort getting a tractor in and out

rushvalley · 06-10-2017 3:27pm

Farmer wrote: »

Just my 2 cents
Go 14 foot creep and stick a crush along the back wall. 10 in a bit tight even just as a creep. You need comfort getting a tractor in and out

Definitely go as wide as you can for the creep. The creep on our shed is only 10 feet and if I was doing it again I'd definitely make the creep wider.

FeelTheBern · 06-10-2017 6:29pm

Paddydans wrote: »

Never knew that Tyson, who would be best to go to, to find out all the ins and outs of it, teagasc??

Teagasc have subcontracted the whole thing out to external crowd so think most Teagasc advisors haven't a clue bout this. There are lads advertising that do the plans full time - give few of them a call and you'll get good idea over phone.

If you can go with the exemption then I'd strongly advise applying for the grant. Not too much to it other than time delay and to be honest I can't see where all these big savings are to be made in doing without grant - except for bit of steel (which you may need anyway for bigger width tanks) most of other costs for tank will be all the same. Unless you're planning on doing lot of work yourself I think that the talk of grant not being worth it is bit of a red herring.

Muckit · 06-10-2017 7:09pm

Looking at theIFJ, tis gas a few week ago you could put up a shed for €25000, now this week you need close to €1m!!

The price of steel whaa!!

Hard Knocks · 06-10-2017 8:49pm

Farmer wrote: »

Just my 2 cents
Go 14 foot creep and stick a crush along the back wall. 10 in a bit tight even just as a creep. You need comfort getting a tractor in and out

Is that 14ft + crush or 14ft - crush?

Paddydans · 06-10-2017 9:29pm

Farmer wrote: »

Just my 2 cents
Go 14 foot creep and stick a crush along the back wall. 10 in a bit tight even just as a creep. You need comfort getting a tractor in and out

Have a crush in the existing yard next to where we hope to put this shed. A few friends have put on an extension to the back of their 3 and 4 bay sheds, extending 10 feet to the rear of the creep pens. Taking out one of the back walls of an end bay , crush running for 2 to 3 bays, crush in the centre with both sides of the crush raised up about a foot, makes life very easy when testing or dosing, would maybe think of doing something similar well down the line but at the moment our crush set up is pretty good

Paddydans · 06-10-2017 9:37pm

FeelTheBern wrote: »

Teagasc have subcontracted the whole thing out to external crowd so think most Teagasc advisors haven't a clue bout this. There are lads advertising that do the plans full time - give few of them a call and you'll get good idea over phone.

Ya I'd like to see what people think of the grant, like I said im only going on what a few local people have been telling me. There isn't much info online with regards to farm sheds

Paddydans · 06-10-2017 9:40pm

rushvalley wrote: »

Definitely go as wide as you can for the creep. The creep on our shed is only 10 feet and if I was doing it again I'd definitely make the creep wider.

Do you think putting it at 12 feet would be enough or go wider again??

bt12 · 08-10-2017 10:50am

thinking of putting up a 2 bay slatted shed, 14.5ft slat (might go 16.5ft) with
a covered feed passage 15ft, thinking of applying for grant as I should qualify
for 60%, what sort of price should this roughly cost,? dunno am I better off not going grant route?

Hard Knocks · 08-10-2017 3:43pm

With lads thinking of putting up sheds, given the last few years we’ve had ..
Would putting a tank under the feed passage as extra storage be an option.
Easier done the first day

Bass Reeves · 08-10-2017 4:15pm

I can never see the advantage of not going for a grant. If you do maximize the size of creep area's and slats. For what it will cost you extra you will make up in the allowances as you are granted aided for the shed part by the sq meter. Even if you need to get full planning I would still go that route. The disadvantage of not getting proper planning is that if you ever want to do another grant job you need to sort planning anyway.

Remember as well you can include own labour and any machinery used to maximize grant if you are below specified costs.

massey265 · 08-10-2017 8:40pm

Would any off yous have a link for grants available to un qualified farmer like myself, thanks

FeelTheBern · 08-10-2017 9:18pm

massey265 wrote: »

Would any off yous have a link for grants available to un qualified farmer like myself, thanks

You don't need any educational qualifications for the standard 40% grant. Just google Tams 2 dept of agric and you'll find all the info on their website.

Farmer · 08-10-2017 9:49pm

Hard Knocks wrote: »

Is that 14ft + crush or 14ft - crush?

Sorry about delay, been distracted from boards for a while

About 11.5 to 12 creep so roughly 14 all in.
Crush indoors is great value on a wet day or for cow that won't let calf suck etc. Obviously you don't need to fit it at build time if cash is short

I have side gates instead of bars so when the creep pens are in use, the crush acts as a shortcut for me up to the far pen and also as a safety escape when working with newly calved cows

Buford T. Justice XIX · 08-10-2017 10:27pm

massey265 wrote: »

Would any off yous have a link for grants available to un qualified farmer like myself, thanks

This should cover most of the stuff.
https://www.agriculture.gov.ie/farmerschemespayments/tams/

cacs · 08-10-2017 11:20pm

Paddydans wrote: »

Have a crush in the existing yard next to where we hope to put this shed. A few friends have put on an extension to the back of their 3 and 4 bay sheds, extending 10 feet to the rear of the creep pens. Taking out one of the back walls of an end bay , crush running for 2 to 3 bays, crush in the centre with both sides of the crush raised up about a foot, makes life very easy when testing or dosing, would maybe think of doing something similar well down the line but at the moment our crush set up is pretty good

Would you have a photo of what your friend done I am trying to do something like this and I can’t figure out the best way. Pm me if you want thanks cathal

Tyson Lannister · 09-10-2017 12:02am

Paddydans wrote: »

Never knew that Tyson, who would be best to go to, to find out all the ins and outs of it, teagasc??

I can send you on plans of few different sheds if you want them- I do planning applications for teagasc.

Dunedin · 09-10-2017 8:17am

Tyson Lannister wrote: »

I can send you on plans of few different sheds if you want them- I do planning applications for teagasc.

hi Tyson,

any chance of any drawings you might have a for two bay slatted with lie back/calving pens and a walkway to leave straw/meal etc (and be able to check on cows without getting half killed).

tanko · 09-10-2017 8:46am

Dunedin wrote: »

hi Tyson,

any chance of any drawings you might have a for two bay slatted with lie back/calving pens and a walkway to leave straw/meal etc (and be able to check on cows without getting half killed).

Have you considered a three bay shed, it mightnt cost all that much more and you would have an extra bay.

Dunedin · 09-10-2017 9:28am

tanko wrote: »

Have you considered a three bay shed, it mightnt cost all that much more and you would have an extra bay.

Wouldn't have the space for a 3 bay unfortunately as want to keep in the yard close to other sheds. . Two bay fits in nicely and will give me enough as have 2 other slatted sheds so a two bay would do the job.

Paddydans · 09-10-2017 9:29am

cathal irwin wrote: »

Would you have a photo of what your friend done I am trying to do something like this and I can’t figure out the best way. Pm me if you want thanks cathal

Will send on a few pics later in the week

Paddydans · 09-10-2017 9:31am

Tyson Lannister wrote: »

I can send you on plans of few different sheds if you want them- I do planning applications for teagasc.

That would be great Tyson, pm them to me if that suits. Thanks

I said · 09-10-2017 10:17am

tanko wrote: »

Have you considered a three bay shed, it mightnt cost all that much more and you would have an extra bay.

Was considering a 2 bay will go for the grant and build a three bay now for the extra space as the saying goes rather have it and be looking at it rather than looking for it.

Bass Reeves · 09-10-2017 11:24am

tanko wrote: »

Have you considered a three bay shed, it mightnt cost all that much more and you would have an extra bay.

I said wrote: »

Was considering a 2 bay will go for the grant and build a three bay now for the extra space as the saying goes rather have it and be looking at it rather than looking for it.

A two bay shed is not that economical to build, it is only about 20-30% more expensive to throw up an extra bay

TITANIUM. · 09-10-2017 1:54pm

Bass Reeves wrote: »

A two bay shed is not that economical to build, it is only about 20-30% more expensive to throw up an extra bay

You always a great man for the figures!
Off the top of your head what's the percentage increase to go from 3 to 4bay? 15 to 20%??? Cheers

Bass Reeves · 09-10-2017 2:39pm

TITANIUM. wrote: »

You always a great man for the figures!
Off the top of your head what's the percentage increase to go from 3 to 4bay? 15 to 20%??? Cheers

I calculateda lot of these figures 6-8 years ago. Cannot remember exactly but around 20%. It varies a little on size of slats and overall size of shed including creep area. When going from 2-3 and from 3-4 bays you only need one row of steel. If a contractor is on site he will virtually charge nothing extra to lay concrete in a bigger area. While a 2 bay tank in general will be poured in one go a 3 bay+ will in general require two pours of concrete. However tank floor, feed passages etc will cost nothing extra. You only need two beams for a 4 bay as opposed to a two bay shed etc

Toplink · 09-10-2017 2:53pm

I have an internal crush planned as part of my 3 bay slatted shed. I want to make this crush as long as possible but I also want to ensure that the each ends of the crush are not too close to the gables of the shed.

Anyone have any input here?

White Clover · 09-10-2017 2:57pm

Toplink wrote: »

I have an internal crush planned as part of my 3 bay slatted shed. I want to make this crush as long as possible but I also want to ensure that the each ends of the crush are not too close to the gables of the shed.

Anyone have any input here?

I find that unless a long crush has solid sides, it is very hard to fill it.

FeelTheBern · 09-10-2017 3:42pm

Toplink wrote: »

I have an internal crush planned as part of my 3 bay slatted shed. I want to make this crush as long as possible but I also want to ensure that the each ends of the crush are not too close to the gables of the shed.

Anyone have any input here?

If you're going for the Grant there's a specification now that gate at front of crush must be a minimum distance from wall facing it - not sure what it is exactly but think it's realistically one full bay. For the back of the crush, we have a crush where the last section is a gate which swings in and bolts back to wall then - works very well as also acts as a funnel to get them into crush when open.

cacs · 09-10-2017 10:44pm

Paddydans wrote: »

Will send on a few pics later in the week

Thanks a million

Dunedin · 10-10-2017 8:06am

Just read the whole thread and there's not one full cost for the 3 bay as per op question.

Would it be in the €30 - 40k region assuming green field site?

Bass Reeves · 10-10-2017 9:11am

Dunedin wrote: »

Just read the whole thread and there's not one full cost for the 3 bay as per op question.

Would it be in the €30 - 40k region assuming green field site?

It is very hard to give an exact quote. Factors such as dept of tank, length of slats, (type of ground rock to be broken maybe) creep area will all influence cost. As well finish will also influence, barrier type, gates, crush...layout of calving pens maybe, type of sheeting height of roof etc. You also have to factor in bells and whistles that a lad may choose to incoporate into the shed

Best way of getting a ballpark figure is to go through the department specified costs and calculate from that. However at a rough guess a 3 bay should be capable of being build for sub 30K including vat. Vat will be about 11-13% of total cost.

FeelTheBern · 10-10-2017 9:39am

Bass Reeves wrote: »

It is very hard to give an exact quote. Factors such as dept of tank, length of slats, (type of ground rock to be broken maybe) creep area will all influence cost. As well finish will also influence, barrier type, gates, crush...layout of calving pens maybe, type of sheeting height of roof etc. You also have to factor in bells and whistles that a lad may choose to incoporate into the shed

Best way of getting a ballpark figure is to go through the department specified costs and calculate from that. However at a rough guess a 3 bay should be capable of being build for sub 30K including vat. Vat will be about 11-13% of total cost.

Fully agree that price will depend on what exactly you build and fit out. For a sucker shed though with decent pen size, lie back, creep gates, crush, lighting etc and without doing lot of the work yourself - I'd be budgeting 40K plus the Vat to have it all done.

Bass Reeves · 10-10-2017 2:26pm

FeelTheBern wrote: »

Fully agree that price will depend on what exactly you build and fit out. For a sucker shed though with decent pen size, lie back, creep gates, crush, lighting etc and without doing lot of the work yourself - I'd be budgeting 40K plus the Vat to have it all done.

Cannot see how asuckler 3 bay unit should cost 45Kish inc vat. Seem an awful lot of money for the unit but not up on present building costs

Panch18 · 10-10-2017 5:15pm

In the process of putting in a 65ft tank, 14"6' slat, 4 span leanto type shed (moving 3 spans of existing side galvanise) and 24 cublices with mats and it will be 43-45k I reckon by the time its finished.

Paddydans · 10-10-2017 5:56pm

From the figures I've been reading and hearing from different places, I'd be hoping to have all ground work, trunking, digging out and tank with slats on for about 18-20 000. Rock shouldn't be a problem, concrete would be more expensive than other areas but that can't be helped. Would that price sound about right??

MikeSoys · 27-11-2017 8:05pm

Hi Im not sure on this but..so asking forvadvice...

I am building a slatted shed under TAMS 2..im a part time farmer.

So can i claim back the vat for the shed under tams 2? I have cattle only(mosly finishing cattle some sold back at mart. (No dairy, sheep etc.). I think I just need to fill out the form from revenue and send it off and i should be able to get the vat back?

Thanks

Cavanjack · 27-11-2017 10:06pm

MikeSoys wrote: »

Hi Im not sure on this but..so asking forvadvice...

I am building a slatted shed under TAMS 2..im a part time farmer.

So can i claim back the vat for the shed under tams 2? I have cattle only(mosly finishing cattle some sold back at mart. (No dairy, sheep etc.). I think I just need to fill out the form from revenue and send it off and i should be able to get the vat back?

Thanks

Yeah You'll get all the vat back as long as Your paperwork is in good order i.e. Name and address is right, invoices are stamped paid, dates are correct etc.

Cavanjack · 27-11-2017 10:17pm

Paddydans wrote: »

From the figures I've been reading and hearing from different places, I'd be hoping to have all ground work, trunking, digging out and tank with slats on for about 18-20 000. Rock shouldn't be a problem, concrete would be more expensive than other areas but that can't be helped. Would that price sound about right??

Yeah I'd say You'd get a four bay tank done for that money.

DonAndy1 · 28-11-2017 1:33pm

lads, just bouncing on this thread, as im in the process of doing a shed.
currently changing to sucklers from finishing.
in the pictures attached, i have a 3 bay slatted shed with centre agitation point.
thinking of putting a 3 bay dry lying shed up to the front of it.
have the shed priced fairly keen to erect, and il do most of the other work myself.
am now thinking should i put it at right angle to near side instead, and leave it as open as possible, as i need to get access to centre agitation point.
too much work to move the agitation point, and im hampered with a drive through because of leanto.
thoughts? or anyone got plans for something similar

DonAndy1 · 28-11-2017 1:35pm

sorry pics attached here

DonAndy1 · 28-11-2017 1:39pm

Tyson Lannister wrote: »

I can send you on plans of few different sheds if you want them- I do planning applications for teagasc.

Tyson, id be interested in having a look at a few plans if you have or wouldnt mind?

cute geoge · 28-11-2017 2:09pm

It is dangerous enough to have Ag. point where it is But if you block off all ventilation with another shed in front it will be lethal to agitate

3 bay slatted shed costs 2017/18

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