China - the future

fly_agaric · 19-06-2019 9:19pm

Dick phelan wrote: »

If you think about it how many Chinese brands do people use? Sure it say's made in China on the label but most of the brands are US, German, Japanese etc.

I suppose there's a few of their big companies/brand names that would at least get some name recognition from some people in the West now. Huawei, Xaoimi, Lenovo, Wanda, Alibaba, Volvo (probably is not associated with China I suppose but afair one of their companies owns it), that TikTok social media application I heard of but know nothing about as am too old + have no kids...

beejee · 19-06-2019 9:40pm

Historically "China" has barely existed for any meaningful length of time. It is a loose conglomeration of many feudal provinces that can only exist if it is held together with an inhumane iron grip.

Geopolitically forecasting in terms of resource it is in deep doo doo. The main arteries for outsource and insource are outside its control and you will see this shrink further as the alliance between japan and USA confounds them.

It has fallen apart multiple times, and will fall apart again with all the pomp of a wet fart. There may be a bit of violent sharting but it wont last long.

And good riddance.

4068ac1elhodqr · 19-06-2019 9:53pm

Reckon the Chinese lads have their eyes on Aussieland, afterall with only 25million, mostly around the far S&E coast, there's plenty of space.
More importantly plenty of mining oportunities.

King of Kings · 19-06-2019 10:00pm

_Brian wrote: »

Fairness allot of Irish treat every non white person as second class, I don’t think that makes them very different to us.

I dont know the intentions of the poster but i thought it wasa good policy.
Europe are the only ****nuts that roll out the red carpet to any johnny come lately.
The chinese ( and others like japanese) arent so stupid to grant guests the same status as locals...in fact they mock the wests sjw ways..they even have a term for it "baiuzo".

cuppa · 19-06-2019 10:06pm

Look up China's ghost cities on youtube its crazy. Something on the scale of 50 empty cities and 60 million empty houses

Richard Hillman · 19-06-2019 10:11pm

JohnnyFlash wrote: »

There’s also huge human rights abuses taking place there at the moment under the flag of socialism. The Ungars are being put into prison camps in extraordinary numbers, with the excuse being that they are enemies of the socialist revolution started under Mao.

Or that they've learned from the destruction caused in Africa, Europe, the Middle East, Russia, South East Asia, pretty much everywhere Islam has gona and they have astutely said "Yeah, not for us mate".

China First. Not the UN and their madey upey laws

BlackandGreen · 19-06-2019 10:49pm

China happens to be an interest of mine. While it has a great history, the past 50 or so years and in particular the past 10ish years have really shown just how ugly China is.

Oh the list is never ending.

Uighur genocide. (Horrendous how this has been let slide internationally)

African imperialism.
Hong Kong/Taiwan meddling.
Meddling in many other countries affairs i.e South China sea issues, Tibet, Australia, India, Canada etc etc .

Totalitarian capitalist state masqueraded as socialism

Human rights abuses

Tech spying and huawei.

Gigantic class/wealth divide.
Social credit system where mostly poor people are punished and excluded from basic things such as being able to ride public transport, access healthcare.
Traditional Chinese medicine aka quackery.
Mass cheating in university and academia internationally.

Catastrophically gigantic levels of pollution.

"Face" culture that is detrimental. i.e Their international culture of "we are never wrong it is you that is wrong and if you stand up to us we will throw out toys of out of the pram." Which also applied to many aspects of Chinese life.

Chinese tourists/tour buses wrecking the place and having no respect.

Political corruption beyond Irish politicians wildest dreams.

Mass consumption and consumerism thats so unethical.
This is tip of the iceberg stuff.

You'd have to have your head totally buried in the sand to not realise China has so many issues. The gob****es who subscribe to the whole "shur in 50 years time we'll all be speaking chinese isnt it great" need their head examined.
In the current historical timeline China is a big threat to the planet.

inb4 I hear your racist now father, jabs at how my electronics come from China etc. The usual boring rhetoric from the ignorant.

No. I started off with an interest in China and it's history in secondary school many years ago and have done a lot of reading and research into it since. It's a wild ride. Been there, been to Hong Kong (so sad to see how it's being destroyed by china from the inside), been to other Asian countries. Studied the history and am a keen follower of China politics, culture and international policy.

Quite frankly. As a super power they scare me more than any other country.

Here's some interesting things to watch/read that only scratches the surface.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/resources/idt-sh/China_hidden_camps

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1a-QpyF7rNc

theguzman · 19-06-2019 10:54pm

cuppa wrote: »

Look up China's ghost cities on youtube its crazy. Something on the scale of 50 empty cities and 60 million empty houses

We can send our homeless to China, a grand bunch of lads they'll fix it.

NewbridgeIR · 19-06-2019 11:32pm

As someone who buys a lot of music and physical media, have always regarded China with contempt.
No respect for copyright. High level of fake products.
The ultimate bullsh*t country.

Japan = total opposite.

1o059k7ewrqj3n · 20-06-2019 12:44pm

NewbridgeIR wrote: »

As someone who buys a lot of music and physical media, have always regarded China with contempt.
No respect for copyright. High level of fake products.
The ultimate bullsh*t country.

Japan = total opposite.

China has been the source of countless innovations over hundreds of years.

Many of those inventions became the foundation of Western imperialism such as gunpowder. Mongols learned it from the Chinese and was introduced to Europe by them. Hundreds of years later the Europeans use gunpowder to exploit the Chinese and push drugs on them.

Much of what we would traditionally accept as Western inventions - the printing press and the revolution in the dissemination of knowledge that followed - was first done in China.

Maybe they should have copyrighted this stuff, kept the patents for themselves. In any case, if you aren't buying pirated material, there's nothing to worry about. It's hardly like the West isn't cheating in similar circumstances.

RobbieTheRobber · 20-06-2019 1:10pm

NewbridgeIR wrote: »

As someone who buys a lot of music and physical media, have always regarded China with contempt.
No respect for copyright. High level of fake products.
The ultimate bullsh*t country.

Japan = total opposite.

You buy cd's, so you regard China with contempt!
WTF does that even mean in this context?

contempt

noun
the feeling that a person or a thing is worthless or beneath consideration.

BlackandGreen · 21-06-2019 9:28pm

The ethnic cleansing is in full swing.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WmId2ZP3h0c

Yurt2 · 22-06-2019 5:26am

Steyr 556 wrote: »

China has been the source of countless innovations over hundreds of years.

Many of those inventions became the foundation of Western imperialism such as gunpowder. Mongols learned it from the Chinese and was introduced to Europe by them. Hundreds of years later the Europeans use gunpowder to exploit the Chinese and push drugs on them.

Much of what we would traditionally accept as Western inventions - the printing press and the revolution in the dissemination of knowledge that followed - was first done in China.

Maybe they should have copyrighted this stuff, kept the patents for themselves. In any case, if you aren't buying pirated material, there's nothing to worry about. It's hardly like the West isn't cheating in similar circumstances.

Koreans have a credible claim on the moveable metal printing press ahead of the Chinese. One of the conceits you have to deal with as a 'foreigner' when dealing with nationalist Chinese folks is the 'China has X thousand years of history' stuff peddled by the government. As if there is genuine continuity between the Qin dynasty and the modern Chinese state. They spent most of the 20th century tearing down the unique aspects of their own culture, and what exists now is typical consumer capitalism with the residue of Marxist authoritarianism. It's useful for them to try to breathe life into 'Chineseness' for political purposes nowadays, but one must wonder what's left.

You'll get more authentic expressions of what it is to be Chinese in Taiwan or Singapore to be honest.

theguzman · 22-06-2019 2:55pm

BlackandGreen wrote: »

The ethnic cleansing is in full swing.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WmId2ZP3h0c

The leftwing have this dream for all of us, but when they do it is then it is good. George Orwell is lucky he died before his dystopian vision became reality.

BlackandGreen · 22-06-2019 5:26pm

theguzman wrote: »

The leftwing have this dream for all of us, but when they do it is then it is good. George Orwell is lucky he died before his dystopian vision became reality.

Opinions like this make me want to bash my head into a wall. Imagine being this thick?

Capt'n Midnight · 22-06-2019 6:31pm

NewbridgeIR wrote: »

As someone who buys a lot of music and physical media, have always regarded China with contempt.
No respect for copyright. High level of fake products.
The ultimate bullsh*t country.

Japan = total opposite.

LOL

Just after WWII Japan was seen as exactly that. Took years for them to be recognised as doing anything other than copying.

China does make a lot of high end kit. They make a lot of rubbish. They make everything.

theguzman · 22-06-2019 6:53pm

BlackandGreen wrote: »

Opinions like this make me want to bash my head into a wall. Imagine being this thick?

By all means bash your head, be careful if its a partition wall or you might crack the plasterboard.

Dick phelan · 22-06-2019 9:04pm

Will definitely agree it winds me up how misinformed they are about their own history. For example i'v had people tell me that the Terracota Army is 5 thousand years old. No it's bloody not, it's still amazing and incredible but get your facts right!. They do have a sense of superiority about their culture which i dislike, for example I've had people make very rude comments about other countries food or art etc. They are hypocritical as well in my experience. They will complain about racism against them eg D&G advert yet will say very racist things about black people.

They'll moan about how it's unfair the USA target their companies yet can't see the irony that they block a ton of foreign companies from doing business here or the fact they impose tariffs on a ton of imports. In a sense everyone should be nice to them and not dare question their culture or system but they can do whatever they like to us.

Don't get me wrong i have plenty of Chinese friends and overall enjoy living here but as a system and where things are headed with their government i'd be worried.

China - the future

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