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Can't get a job

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  • #152
    uncommon_name
    Registered Users Posts: 416 ✭✭uncommon_name


    ^^^^^^ I am not trying to burst your bubble here. But I suppose if you go looking for a long term job instead you might have better luck.
    Go do a course like CAD or Revit etc.. It will cost you a bit to do but I know there is a huge demand for CAD and Revit technicians all over the country at the minute. Decent pay too. I am looking for 2 CAD technician's at the minute for our office just outside Dublin and I know most other similar companies are too, which means we find people are playing us off each other to get more money (it works too).


  • #153
    Ruraldweller56
    Registered Users Posts: 938 ✭✭✭Ruraldweller56


    uncommon_name wrote: »
    ^^^^^^ I am not trying to burst your bubble here. But I suppose if you go looking for a long term job instead you might have better luck.
    Go do a course like CAD or Revit etc.. It will cost you a bit to do but I know there is a huge demand for CAD and Revit technicians all over the country at the minute. Decent pay too. I am looking for 2 CAD technician's at the minute for our office just outside Dublin and I know most other similar companies are too, which means we find people are playing us off each other to get more money (it works too).

    Tell me more about these Cad jobs you speak of


  • #154
    Richmond Ultra
    Registered Users Posts: 457 ✭✭Richmond Ultra


    uncommon_name wrote: »
    When I went looking for a job while in college I found it near impossible to get one, I sent CV's everywhere and got no responses. When I finished college I decided I wanted to get a short term job just to get a bit of money for a nice holiday or something to relax, again I found it extremely difficult. I had good experience with jobs I had in the past and college experience too. Got absolutely no response from anybody. Tried Aldi, Lidl, McDonald's, Subway, Burger King, all kinds of shops, Garages, Bars, Restaurants, Delivery driver and the list goes on and on. Not one response and that was with a good college degree.
    When I decided I was putting in too much effort in to looking for a short term job, I said I might as well go looking for a career job instead and put the effort in to that, threw CV's around everywhere and ended up doing 6 interviews in the first week, I ended up having a great choice of places to go to and I chose one and started a few days later. 1 week after sending out CV's.
    Still to this day, I never got a response off the small short term jobs.

    So the people out there saying its easy to get a job, yes it is, but it is also very difficult to find a job. It totally depends what kind of job you are looking for in my opinion/.

    I might add, my CV was a very good CV. I got some very good assistance from the college career guidance office. So the lack of response was not by a bad CV or no experience.


    It might be worth an option to contact Morgan McKinley or a recruitment firm like that to see if they can get you an interview etc with a company. They get more money for the longer you stay there so it is in there interest to fit you into a good job.


  • #155
    Ruraldweller56
    Registered Users Posts: 938 ✭✭✭Ruraldweller56


    rob316 wrote: »
    I think I over stated the entertaining part, I asked for a short video about you and what you could bring to the job. The idea behind it was I could pick someone's personality out by watching a video, instead of dragging them in for an interview where they will feel pressured and not themselves. It's like a video CV but tailored to the job you are applying for, not a generic sheet of facts. Some people just aren't good at interviews/exams and you could end up excluding some good people from your recruitment search.

    By entertaining I meant - I don't want to hear about where you went to school, or stats.
    2 people didn't understand what I wanted and sent in mini sketches, not what I was looking for.

    **** on me all you like, it worked for us and will be something I will do again.

    What type of data policy do you use regarding these videos? Who sees them, how long do you keep them for? What format do they come in? Where are they stored?

    I'd say you're on dicey legal ground. Or maybe I'm wrong and you've actually taken all this into account. My past experience in dealing with people like yourself would suggest not.


  • #156
    frosty123
    Registered Users Posts: 565 ✭✭✭frosty123


    sinjin_smythe wrote: »
    Im seriously thinking the OP is just trolling everyone. Honestly OP I hope you are not but every response to any reasonable answer has been met with a negative "I cant do that / I wont do that".

    Trolling? How am i trolling? Im giving my honest ecperience of job searching as a long term unemployed middle aged man
    ... some have suggested jobs that im not suited for..thats not me being negative thats just a fact..and as for courses i have courses coming out of my ear at this stage..i just need a job ASAP

    Maybe being in your late 30s & long termed unemployed is a default..no no to employers


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  • #157
    Pelvis
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,758 ✭✭✭Pelvis


    uncommon_name wrote: »
    When I went looking for a job while in college I found it near impossible to get one, I sent CV's everywhere and got no responses. When I finished college I decided I wanted to get a short term job just to get a bit of money for a nice holiday or something to relax, again I found it extremely difficult. I had good experience with jobs I had in the past and college experience too. Got absolutely no response from anybody. Tried Aldi, Lidl, McDonald's, Subway, Burger King, all kinds of shops, Garages, Bars, Restaurants, Delivery driver and the list goes on and on. Not one response and that was with a good college degree.
    When I decided I was putting in too much effort in to looking for a short term job, I said I might as well go looking for a career job instead and put the effort in to that, threw CV's around everywhere and ended up doing 6 interviews in the first week, I ended up having a great choice of places to go to and I chose one and started a few days later. 1 week after sending out CV's.
    Still to this day, I never got a response off the small short term jobs.

    So the people out there saying its easy to get a job, yes it is, but it is also very difficult to find a job. It totally depends what kind of job you are looking for in my opinion/.

    I might add, my CV was a very good CV. I got some very good assistance from the college career guidance office. So the lack of response was not by a bad CV or no experience.
    As a college grad, you decided to apply to MaccyDs, Burger King, and Subway? You yourself said it was for the short term. And you wonder why you didn't get any responses???


  • #158
    Lefty Bicek
    Registered Users Posts: 1,625 ✭✭✭Lefty Bicek


    frosty123 wrote: »
    Trolling? How am i trolling? Im giving my honest ecperience of job searching as a long term unemployed middle aged man
    ... some have suggested jobs that im not suited for..thats not me being negative thats just a fact..and as for courses i have courses coming out of my ear at this stage..i just need a job ASAP

    Maybe being in your late 30s & long termed unemployed is a default..no no to employers

    Hell's bells.

    If late-30's is middle-aged I might as well get out my burial suit now. I'll be 50 this month.

    Is it possible that you have an innate pessimism which is holding you back ?


  • #159
    Purple Mountain
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,275 ✭✭✭✭Purple Mountain


    frosty123 wrote: »
    Trolling? How am i trolling? Im giving my honest ecperience of job searching as a long term unemployed middle aged man
    ... some have suggested jobs that im not suited for..thats not me being negative thats just a fact..and as for courses i have courses coming out of my ear at this stage..i just need a job ASAP

    Maybe being in your late 30s & long termed unemployed is a default..no no to employers

    You can have all the courses you want coming out your ears but unfortunately a lot aren't worth paper they're written on.

    To thine own self be true



  • #160
    SEPT 23 1989
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 43,028 ✭✭✭✭SEPT 23 1989


    19 Jobs going at Adare Manor

    could you do any of these jobs?

    https://adaremanor.talentplushire.com/jobs/


  • #161
    Turbohymac
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 472 ✭✭Turbohymac


    Purple mountain is absolutely correct..lots courses no good to the type of jobs you're applying for..
    WOULD there be any chance that you might reply as to what courses you actually have that would benefit you getting a job..
    DO you have basic courses..
    Manual handling.
    Safe pass
    Any tickets for driving equipment ie a forklift..
    Do you have a clean driving license .own transport..
    Any other issues..
    Please let us know as if you have the above that would be a great foundation to start from..
    But if you don't and others applying for same roles do..then I know who I'd give the job to..if I were employing..
    You need to sell yourself tell us what you have to offer.. you say loads but deck it's like a state secret..open up a little..then people will give honest guidance


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  • #162
    Lefty Bicek
    Registered Users Posts: 1,625 ✭✭✭Lefty Bicek


    Turbohymac wrote: »
    Purple mountain is absolutely correct..lots courses no good to the type of jobs you're applying for..
    WOULD there be any chance that you might reply as to what courses you actually have that would benefit you getting a job..
    DO you have basic courses..
    Manual handling.
    Safe pass
    Any tickets for driving equipment ie a forklift..
    Do you have a clean driving license .own transport..
    Any other issues..
    Please let us know as if you have the above that would be a great foundation to start from..
    But if you don't and others applying for same roles do..then I know who I'd give the job to..if I were employing..
    You need to sell yourself tell us what you have to offer.. you say loads but deck it's like a state secret..open up a little..then people will give honest guidance

    He's already said he has Safe Pass.

    https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=108855768&postcount=51


  • #163
    fryup
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,067 ✭✭✭✭fryup


    uncommon_name wrote: »
    Go do a course like CAD or Revit etc.. It will cost you a bit to do but I know there is a huge demand for CAD and Revit technicians all over the country at the minute. Decent pay too. I am looking for 2 CAD technician's at the minute for our office just outside Dublin and I know most other similar companies are too, which means we find people are playing us off each other to get more money (it works too).

    its all very well recommending these IT/Computer courses, but bear in mind not everyone has the aptitude for them


  • #164
    Lefty Bicek
    Registered Users Posts: 1,625 ✭✭✭Lefty Bicek


    fryup wrote: »
    its all very well recommending these IT/Computer courses, but bear in mind not everyone has the aptitude for them

    Agree. Lot of wannabe Norman Tebbit's here.


    From my personal first-hand experience -

    Construction as an agency unskilled worker on huge sites is death, if you have any kind of brain or ambition. They can be soul-destroyingly long days shovelling rubble into a plastic rubbish bin, and carrying it on your shoulder through the building, into the skip outside. Did weeks of that.

    Or spending all day out on the road, sweeping the mud away that the groundworks trucks are carrying out on their tyres. You just get it clean, and here comes another one. Did weeks of that too.

    On smaller sites, or on housing-estate jobs, you have a better chance to pick up semi-skills and increase your income that way. Suss out the guys it will pay you to be extra-helpful to, eyes open and pick up what you can discreetly. You might be lucky to get a start as a 'making-good man', or you can take those skills outside, eg garden maintenance.

    Though I have the impression you're not a hustler.

    The huge benefit to me of doing those jobs out of necessity, was the motivation to do better for myself. I did.



    AVOID the hospitality sector like the plague unless you really, really have a passion for it.

    That is especially so for front-of-house, like waiter/barman. People on their 'big day', and/or with drink taken, are far too frequently A$$HOLES.


  • #165
    Feisar
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,698 ✭✭✭Feisar


    Lefty Bicek wrote: »
    Agree. Lot of wannabe Norman Tebbit's here.


    From my personal first-hand experience -

    Construction as an agency unskilled worker on huge sites is death, if you have any kind of brain or ambition. They can be soul-destroyingly long days shovelling rubble into a plastic rubbish bin, and carrying it on your shoulder through the building, into the skip outside. Did weeks of that.

    Or spending all day out on the road, sweeping the mud away that the groundworks trucks are carrying out on their tyres. You just get it clean, and here comes another one. Did weeks of that too.

    On smaller sites, or on housing-estate jobs, you have a better chance to pick up semi-skills and increase your income that way. Suss out the guys it will pay you to be extra-helpful to, eyes open and pick up what you can discreetly. You might be lucky to get a start as a 'making-good man', or you can take those skills outside, eg garden maintenance.

    Though I have the impression you're not a hustler.

    The huge benefit to me of doing those jobs out of necessity, was the motivation to do better for myself. I did.



    AVOID the hospitality sector like the plague unless you really, really have a passion for it.

    That is especially so for front-of-house, like waiter/barman. People on their 'big day', and/or with drink taken, are far too frequently A$$HOLES.

    The man speaketh the truth, donkey work on sites is a hard way to earn a bob. Hotel work is a hell hole to. Barman in a normal pub is great craic but a younger man's game IMHO

    First they came for the socialists...



  • #166
    Pawwed Rig
    Moderators, Category Moderators, Home & Garden Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 22,407 CMod ✭✭✭✭Pawwed Rig


    Feisar wrote: »
    The man speaketh the truth, donkey work on sites is a hard way to earn a bob. Hotel work is a hell hole to. Barman in a normal pub is great craic but a younger man's game IMHO

    Better than unemployment though.


  • #167
    Lefty Bicek
    Registered Users Posts: 1,625 ✭✭✭Lefty Bicek


    Pawwed Rig wrote: »
    Better than unemployment though.

    That's a personal opinion, not an objective fact.


  • #168
    MuffinTop86
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 957 ✭✭✭MuffinTop86


    I’m in the same boat :(
    I graduated with an Arts degree, worked in a shop straight aftee until 2015, did a postgrad in business, trained as a language teacher, still only getting short-term contracts here and there.
    I was recently referred to Seetec who said my CV was too “wordy”. Maybe they’re right, but they just seem so awful there.


  • #169
    Lefty Bicek
    Registered Users Posts: 1,625 ✭✭✭Lefty Bicek


    MuffinTop86 wrote: »
    I’m in the same boat :(
    I graduated with an Arts degree, worked in a shop straight aftee until 2015, did a postgrad in business, trained as a language teacher, still only getting short-term contracts here and there.
    I was recently referred to Seetec who said my CV was too “wordy”. Maybe they’re right, but they just seem so awful there.

    I can't remember exactly how much, but we paid a good few quid (100+) for my wife's cv to be professionally done.

    Goddamn, it was so good I felt like setting up a business just so that I could employ her myself.

    Worth it though, to be serious.


    I'm possibly conditioned by having spent all my twenties and early thirties in England rather than here, but I do believe that sooner or later people like you who keep plugging away, will catch a lucky break.

    Good luck.


  • #170
    frosty123
    Registered Users Posts: 565 ✭✭✭frosty123


    Turbohymac wrote: »
    DO you have basic courses..
    Manual handling.
    Safe pass
    Any tickets for driving equipment ie a forklift..
    Do you have a clean driving license .own transport..


    all the above..bar the forklift license, because my "friends" in Turas Nua wouldn't give me the grant for the training course :cool:


    they said i have to have a forklift job to go to get it.....but how can i get a forklift job if i don't have the license in the first place??.. they just didn't want to know, and they're suppose to be helping people? :rolleyes:


  • #171
    MuffinTop86
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 957 ✭✭✭MuffinTop86


    Lefty Bicek wrote: »
    I can't remember exactly how much, but we paid a good few quid (100+) for my wife's cv to be professionally done.

    Goddamn, it was so good I felt like setting up a business just so that I could employ her myself.

    Worth it though, to be serious.


    I'm possibly conditioned by having spent all my twenties and early thirties in England rather than here, but I do believe that sooner or later people like you who keep plugging away, will catch a lucky break.

    Good luck.

    Thank you, that’s so lovely of you to say. Sometimes you get so despondent when you interview and hear nothing, or just hear nothing at all.

    I will definitely get it professionally re-written.


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  • #172
    lalababa
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,736 ✭✭✭lalababa


    Emailing CV. s for this type of work is next to useless. You have to find out who employer is and ring or turn up and push a little...same with agencies.


  • #173
    BeepBeep67
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,084 ✭✭✭BeepBeep67


    While you're in limbo I would invest your time in something constructive, where you can prove you are a self-starter, can build a plan and then deliver against that plan. That makes you very employable.

    Something like setting up a GOAL Mile for this Christmas, identify a location, check what permission you need, talk to GOAL and get an event pack from them, quickly mobilise a team, deliver your event. At the very least you would be building up your potential network and showing potential employers that you would be an employee with a strong social responsibility.

    Good luck with the search.


  • #174
    engiweirdo
    Closed Accounts Posts: 593 ✭✭✭engiweirdo


    frosty123 wrote: »
    all the above..bar the forklift license, because my "friends" in Turas Nua wouldn't give me the grant for the training course :cool:


    they said i have to have a forklift job to go to get it.....but how can i get a forklift job if i don't have the license in the first place??.. they just didn't want to know, and they're suppose to be helping people? :rolleyes:

    You're allowed to go above Turas Nuas heads (of course they won't tell you this) and seek out an advisor in Social Welfare, explain to them that you need a specific course to help you with employment and you might have more luck. TN is run as a business, every extra penny spent training you comes out of their "bottom line".

    Definitely get the CV redone. There's a girl in Limerick city the college sent me to for career coaching, might be removed here, am not sure, but the company is called "Hilt". Now I didn't get a job either yet but that's not to say it was a futile exercise, it was actually really helpful and I got a lot from
    it. Waterford being as grim as it is I've only gotten the chance to use my new found interview skills the once since and it was for a role that was a bit of a reach in fairness. It's an expensive enough venture though (I didn't have to pay myself).


  • #175
    mikemac2
    Registered Users Posts: 2,972 ✭✭✭mikemac2


    MuffinTop86 wrote: »
    I’m in the same boat :(
    I graduated with an Arts degree, worked in a shop straight aftee until 2015, did a postgrad in business, trained as a language teacher, still only getting short-term contracts here and there.
    I was recently referred to Seetec who said my CV was too “wordy”. Maybe they’re right, but they just seem so awful there.

    Seetec, their advisors require just a leaving cert and then they look down on the people sent to them

    Ask your advisor can you have their job


  • #176
    fryup
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,067 ✭✭✭✭fryup


    Feisar wrote: »
    The man speaketh the truth, donkey work on sites is a hard way to earn a bob. Hotel work is a hell hole to. Barman in a normal pub is great craic but a younger man's game IMHO
    Pawwed Rig wrote: »
    Better than unemployment though.
    Lefty Bicek wrote: »
    That's a personal opinion, not an objective fact.

    i agree with Lefty, i'd rather be on the dole any day than work in construction again


  • #177
    alan1963
    Registered Users Posts: 85 ✭✭alan1963


    fryup wrote: »
    i agree with Lefty, i'd rather be on the dole any day than work in construction again
    Ive worked in the building trade my whole life,so far and am 55 now ,cant imagine doing anything else really.


  • #178
    Lefty Bicek
    Registered Users Posts: 1,625 ✭✭✭Lefty Bicek


    alan1963 wrote: »
    Ive worked in the building trade my whole life,so far and am 55 now ,cant imagine doing anything else really.

    Do you enjoy it ?

    I can see that if you have skills, it is potentially very satisfying. You can construct something tangible and useful, with a bit of pride in workmanship.

    Not something I would like to be facing for the first time in my late-30's all the same. You need to have had the conditioning from way younger than that.


  • #179
    baldshin
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,382 ✭✭✭baldshin


    I'm in the same boat as the OP, also in Limerick. 32 years old. I have 2 degrees, a Commerce one which is probably out of date now, and a recently acquired arts degree in a very specialised area, only useful for one job, which I recently left.

    I've plenty of experience in retail, service and IT industries and I am shovelling out CVs, which I've had assessed. In 2 months I've only had 3 interviews, didn't hear back from 2 of them and came 7th in a panel for another in which I had direct, relevant experience which not many others would. It's pretty disheartening seeing so many jobs around, but getting no where with applications.


  • #180
    pgj2015
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,460 ✭✭✭pgj2015


    fryup wrote: »
    i agree with Lefty, i'd rather be on the dole any day than work in construction again



    i used to work in construction, its a tough job but there are good points to it. id rather work on sites than in an office any day.


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  • #181
    erica74
    Registered Users Posts: 2,619 ✭✭✭erica74


    Naos wrote: »
    Did you tailor your CV to each job application?

    Yep, which was pretty easy because, for a lot of places, you have to fill out an application form and pop all your cv information into the different boxes so it was handy enough to tailor everything. Didn't make any difference though.


  • #182
    Pelvis
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,758 ✭✭✭Pelvis


    baldshin wrote: »
    I'm in the same boat as the OP, also in Limerick. 32 years old. I have 2 degrees, a Commerce one which is probably out of date now, and a recently acquired arts degree in a very specialised area, only useful for one job, which I recently left.

    I've plenty of experience in retail, service and IT industries and I am shovelling out CVs, which I've had assessed. In 2 months I've only had 3 interviews, didn't hear back from 2 of them and came 7th in a panel for another in which I had direct, relevant experience which not many others would. It's pretty disheartening seeing so many jobs around, but getting no where with applications.
    Are you only looking in Limerick?


  • #183
    Lefty Bicek
    Registered Users Posts: 1,625 ✭✭✭Lefty Bicek


    pgj2015 wrote: »
    i used to work in construction, its a tough job but there are good points to it. id rather work on sites than in an office any day.

    So would I, but with some kind of skill.

    I've done both, and now I do neither.


  • #184
    Crunchymomma
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,178 ✭✭✭Crunchymomma


    Are you close to Shannon? Loads of factories out there and they hire frequently


  • #185
    baldshin
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,382 ✭✭✭baldshin


    Pelvis wrote: »
    Are you only looking in Limerick?

    Nope, Limerick, Cork, Tip, Galway, Clare. Applied for factories, got no response.


  • #186
    dartboardio
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,436 ✭✭✭dartboardio


    I honestly can’t fathom how someone could be looking for a job for three months, imo they are not ‘looking’ or trying hard enough.

    You need to get out there, small businesses or cafes or restaurants are very easy to get into if you just dress up and walk in, some places are not worth trying if you just send an email or phone in.

    It takes me a few days at most to get a new job (willing to do anything, restaurant work or call centre job) you need to be ready to walk into these places and give them your best.


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  • #187
    wakka12
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,786 ✭✭✭wakka12


    baldshin wrote: »
    I'm in the same boat as the OP, also in Limerick. 32 years old. I have 2 degrees, a Commerce one which is probably out of date now, and a recently acquired arts degree in a very specialised area, only useful for one job, which I recently left.

    I've plenty of experience in retail, service and IT industries and I am shovelling out CVs, which I've had assessed. In 2 months I've only had 3 interviews, didn't hear back from 2 of them and came 7th in a panel for another in which I had direct, relevant experience which not many others would. It's pretty disheartening seeing so many jobs around, but getting no where with applications.

    Whats your personality like OP? Do you get on alright with people?


  • #188
    Lefty Bicek
    Registered Users Posts: 1,625 ✭✭✭Lefty Bicek


    dartboardio wrote: »
    I honestly can’t fathom how someone could be looking for a job for three months, imo they are not ‘looking’ or trying hard enough.

    :mad:
    You need to get out there, small businesses or cafes or restaurants are very easy to get into if you just dress up and walk in, some places are not worth trying if you just send an email or phone in.

    :D
    It takes me a few days at most to get a new job (willing to do anything, restaurant work or call centre job) you need to be ready to walk into these places and give them your best.

    :o

    The question is, how come you don't last anywhere ?

    And with your scintillating self-belief, why do you settle for such menial work in the first place ?




    Ehhhhh, the plot thickens...

    https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=108868601&postcount=106


    Works in the public sector...

    https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=108718197&postcount=16

    .


  • #189
    baldshin
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,382 ✭✭✭baldshin


    wakka12 wrote: »
    Whats your personality like OP? Do you get on alright with people?

    I'd consider myself to be very personable, have always worked in a customer/client facing roles and have never had any problems or complaints!


  • #190
    GaGa21
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 652 ✭✭✭GaGa21


    wakka12 wrote:
    Whats your personality like OP? Do you get on alright with people?


    Are you suggesting his personality is preventing him from getting work or questioning him to assesss suitability for job type?
    How are employers going to assess a candidate's personality from a CV??
    The OP is not getting feedback or responses never mind an interview to determine his personality.


  • #191
    wakka12
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    GaGa21 wrote: »
    Are you suggesting his personality is preventing him from getting work or questioning him to assesss suitability for job type?
    How are employers going to assess a candidate's personality from a CV??
    The OP is not getting feedback or responses never mind an interview to determine his personality.

    Well I was suggesting it as a possibility because the OP said they have relevant skills and good CV and theres plenty of jobs going around so I dont know


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  • #192
    _Kaiser_
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 28,929 ✭✭✭✭_Kaiser_


    Some more thoughts as I actually have a few roles open at the moment and have been reviewing a lot of CVs in the last few weeks.

    - I hate badly formatted CVs in non-standard fonts
    Paragraphs, bullet points and no more than 10/12 font size. Avoid lots of white space but make it easy for someone to read. It's a balance to get right admittedly

    - What I'm interested in is your relevant skills and experience. I don't really care where you went to school or your leaving cert results. Education should be after employment history and leave out the leaving cert unless it's all you have

    - Vague details of skills (these are IT roles) are not going to help. I don't need an essay but make it clear and how it applied to the role you did (lists of skills do nothing for me either).

    - I don't need photos of you, although this seems to be mainly a European thing. Maybe that's the standard in Spain etc?

    - A guy once submitted a 14 page CV which was basically the job description/ad for every role he'd ever done. I'm not gonna read all that! Plus it came across as extremely lazy. 2-3 pages max.

    - Another guy had a vague list of skills as described above and then a summary of himself with the heading "TL;DR". Points for uniqueness I suppose but NO!

    In the interview...

    - Be clean, well groomed, well dressed (well fitting suit is best but failing that trousers and a shirt)

    - answer the question asked. If unsure ask for clarification. Be clear in your answer. Try to avoid waffling

    - As I manage an IT department, people skills and attitude are key as you're dealing with everyone from new agents to directors. I'm thus more interested in how you come across generally, convey information, deal with difficult customers or pressure. This would apply to most customer facing roles

    - I'm interested in people who are actually interested in the job and who have shown initiative and independent working in previous roles. I have no time for having to stand over someone to make sure things are done or to find work for them to do on quieter days. There's always something to be done

    - I want people who can work away but who also bring something new to the team. That means having examples of projects or new processes you were involved in or led and what you did. I want to be able to give people projects that will use their skills and interests and use this and their experience to come up with good solutions

    - Be honest and open about your skills and experience. IT is a field that you'll be caught out in very quickly if you bull****. I rather someone is upfront if they're weak in an area but if they show a willingness to learn and get stuck in I will often overlook that weakness if they're a good fit in other ways.

    That's enough for now I think. Hope this helps someone anyway :)


  • #193
    Wanderer78
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    _Kaiser_ wrote:
    - Be clean, well groomed, well dressed (well fitting suit is best but failing that trousers and a shirt)


    I always found this a bit weird, why do we try present ourselves as someone else in interviews, we tend to like people bull****ting us, what if people generally don't dress or present themselves this way in normal life, surely being clean and neatly dressed, in clothes that you are comfortable in would just be fine. Interviews are stressful enough, why add to this, if I'm being interviewed, I wanna be as relaxed as possible, if I was interviewing, I'd want them to be as relaxed as possible. We have strange ideas when it comes to these situations, and the norms are largely accepted.


  • #194
    _Kaiser_
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    Wanderer78 wrote: »
    I always found this a bit weird, why do we try present ourselves as someone else in interviews, we tend to like people bull****ting us, what if people generally don't dress or present themselves this way in normal life, surely being clean and neatly dressed, in clothes that you are comfortable in would just be fine. Interviews are stressful enough, why add to this, if I'm being interviewed, I wanna be as relaxed as possible, if I was interviewing, I'd want them to be as relaxed as possible. We have strange ideas when it comes to these situations, and the norms are largely accepted.

    It's about making an effort for the interview and showing you're interested rather than just rocking up in ripped jeans and a t-shirt.

    Plus it's a corporate environment where a lot of staff do wear suits and meet clients. That's another thing actually.... Know the company you're applying to.


  • #195
    Wanderer78
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,903 ✭✭✭✭Wanderer78


    _Kaiser_ wrote:
    It's about making an effort for the interview and showing you're interested rather than just rocking up in ripped jeans and a t-shirt.


    But isn't this just more bull**** we say to ourselves, people have applied for the job, some may even have similar past experiences, some may even have relevant qualifications for the job, if they turn up for the interview, on time, aren't they already interested?


  • #196
    _Kaiser_
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 28,929 ✭✭✭✭_Kaiser_


    Wanderer78 wrote: »
    But isn't this just more bull**** we say to ourselves, people have applied for the job, some may even have similar past experiences, some may even have relevant qualifications for the job, if they turn up for the interview, on time, aren't they already interested?

    It depends on the level of the role and the industry I suppose to be fair.

    I don't want someone who is just punching a clock and doing the minimum to pass their review. I want someone who is actually interested in what they do and the environment they work in and who actively wants to be involved in finding ways to improve things or lead new projects.

    I see my role as much (if not more) about supporting the teams and individuals I manage, rather than just ensuring that the day to day gets done. That's important too but I want to be able to develop and encourage people to get involved in new projects and tasks and feel like they're getting something more than just a paycheque.

    I think for a lot of people that's equally something they want from an employer, no?


  • #197
    Wanderer78
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,903 ✭✭✭✭Wanderer78


    _Kaiser_ wrote:
    I see my role as much (if not more) about supporting the teams and individuals I manage as just ensuring that the day to day gets done. That's important too but I want to be able to develop and encourage people to get involved in new projects and tasks and feel like they're getting something more than just a paycheque.

    Even though, I to some degree understand where you re coming from, the corporate working environment is a truly dreadful working environment, it dehumanises people, by endless control. we are all individualistic, our own identity is important and critical for our overall happiness and well being, but there seems to be a conflict of interest within the corporate world. The truth is, most people work to just survive, yes it would be great if we could all do what we wanted to really do in life, but this isn't our reality. many employers couldn't give a ****e about their employees needs, as the bottom line is king, this is particularly evident in the corporate sector, trying to create the same type of thinkers, it results in disillusioned and unhappy workers. The corporate sector responds by various different carrot and stick approaches.


  • #198
    _Kaiser_
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 28,929 ✭✭✭✭_Kaiser_


    Wanderer78 wrote: »
    Even though, I to some degree understand where you re coming from, the corporate working environment is a truly dreadful working environment, it dehumanises people, by endless control. we are all individualistic, our own identity is important and critical for our overall happiness and well being, but there seems to be a conflict of interest within the corporate world. The truth is, most people work to just survive, yes it would be great if we could all do what we wanted to really do in life, but this isn't our reality. many employers couldn't give a ****e about their employees needs, as the bottom line is king, this is particularly evident in the corporate sector, trying to create the same type of thinkers, it results in disillusioned and unhappy workers. The corporate sector responds by various different carrot and stick approaches.

    Maybe I've just been lucky with the employers I've worked with, or maybe it's that IT departments are usually a bit apart from the "business" and the culture you describe and so are a bit more easy-going and free-thinking.

    My job as the department head is to protect my team from that culture and the politics as much as possible (but yet still provide a service that meets their needs and expectations), but also to sell the benefits of what the team does where companies often see IT as purely a cost and one they grudgingly pay for.

    I moved companies a few months back and to be fair, the culture here is a lot more open and flat (from a org structure point of view) and the team is generally happy and engaged despite a high workload and frequently moving goalposts. I'm working to address those issues and so far everyone (from my team, to business peers and senior leadership) seem to be buying into the changes I'm implementing


  • #199
    uncommon_name
    Registered Users Posts: 416 ✭✭uncommon_name


    Pelvis wrote: »
    As a college grad, you decided to apply to MaccyDs, Burger King, and Subway? You yourself said it was for the short term. And you wonder why you didn't get any responses???

    Well I didn't tell them it was a short term job. Didn't mention the degree either, just said I was currently in college. I knew they wouldn't respond if they saw I had just graduated.


  • #200
    uncommon_name
    Registered Users Posts: 416 ✭✭uncommon_name


    fryup wrote: »
    its all very well recommending these IT/Computer courses, but bear in mind not everyone has the aptitude for them

    I understand that, I just used it as an example. There are thousands of courses out there, 2 or 3 days ones that would give you a huge advantage over other applicants. Pick one you are interested in and that you know there are jobs in and then go do it.
    No one is going to hire people these days with no experience unless they employers are desperate.


  • #201
    Ray Palmer
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,453 ✭✭✭Ray Palmer


    Wanderer78 wrote: »
    Even though, I to some degree understand where you re coming from, the corporate working environment is a truly dreadful working environment, it dehumanises people, by endless control. we are all individualistic, our own identity is important and critical for our overall happiness and well being, but there seems to be a conflict of interest within the corporate world. The truth is, most people work to just survive, yes it would be great if we could all do what we wanted to really do in life, but this isn't our reality. many employers couldn't give a ****e about their employees needs, as the bottom line is king, this is particularly evident in the corporate sector, trying to create the same type of thinkers, it results in disillusioned and unhappy workers. The corporate sector responds by various different carrot and stick approaches.
    I have worked in many companies as a contractor and I have no idea what you are talking about. What individuality are you talking about? You are there for a job and there really isn't any individuality about most jobs. Do you think the person making a sandwich can start making them with their feet or face to be individual? There are hygiene rules.
    What you are saying sounds like what I would expect from a teenager who never worked anywhere. I think just fine as an individual but I also know what my job is. I really don't know what you are talking about and what individuality is being suppressed. Only thing I can think of is dress codes which I agree are mostly pointless


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