Claire Byrne show. Her name was Clodagh

NIMAN · 26-02-2019 1:30pm

retro:electro wrote: »

Agreed but I think the programme name was born out of a hashtag at the time of her death, when she was basically a footnote in her own murder; often referred to as “the wife of Alan”, and never by her own name.

That's right, I remember that now.
Thanks

iamwhoiam · 26-02-2019 1:31pm

Did I hear Clodaghs sister sadly mention that her husband had also passed away ?
Jacqueline spoke so lovingly about her sister and nephews

NIMAN · 26-02-2019 1:32pm

Why did AH move money between bank accounts AFTER he has murdered his family?

What was the purpose of that? Surely its all irrelevant at that point, when he knows he is about to kill himself?

political analyst · 26-02-2019 1:33pm

Airyfairy12 wrote: »

I didnt see the show but read about it in the Irish times, it said that he'd watched porn in school and was getting counselling because he liked to watch porn, surely this cant be a genuine reason for murdering your whole family? - not that theres any good reason to do such a thing but as excuses go, that's fairly out there. Surely theres more shame associated with being a cold blooded murderer than watching a bit of porn? I get it was inappropriate to say the least, watching porn in school, but theres no logic to this at all. Was it illegal porn? Its just so messed up, that poor family and those poor kids falling victim to a psychopath who they trusted. Its scary to think how psychopaths like him can come across so normal, he was described as a pillar of the community if I remember correctly. Its f'ed up beyond belief.

Watching porn of any type on a computer in school would have been good reason to sack Hawe because an act of indecency on school property goes against the school's ethos. After all, it wasn't that long ago that teachers were sacked for a lot less.

political analyst · 26-02-2019 1:34pm

NIMAN wrote: »

Why did AH move money between bank accounts AFTER he has murdered his family?

What was the purpose of that? Surely its all irrelevant at that point, when he knows he is about to kill himself?

So that his parents and brothers would receive the money after he killed himself.

retro:electro · 26-02-2019 1:34pm

NIMAN wrote: »

Why did AH move money between bank accounts AFTER he has murdered his family?

What was the purpose of that? Surely its all irrelevant at that point, when he knows he is about to kill himself?

He wanted his own family to be the beneficiaries of what little money they had, and not Clodagh’s. Controlling til the bitter end.

political analyst · 26-02-2019 1:36pm

tretorn wrote: »

But the school authorities as far as I know havent confirmed he was caught watching porn. I think they havent given the relatives any information and it seems neither have the INTO. The family know Hawe rang the INTO but they dont know why.

Why cant they be told what happened and were disciplinary procedures taking place and were the INTO involved representing Hawe.

I think they have a right to know about everything that was going on in the period leading up to the murders.

The Irish edition of The Sun must have heard it from people who were "in the know" about it.

NIMAN · 26-02-2019 1:38pm

How did he kill himself, haven't seen it mentioned in any of the articles I read.

tretorn · 26-02-2019 1:39pm

The family need facts though and if the porn allegations are true then the information is on file.

The file should be given to the relatives, there is no good reason not to ease their suffering.

Also where is the work lap top he was using, even if he wiped it experts would be able to retrieve the history and see what he was watching, why cant this be done and his search history be disclosed to the Colls.

retro:electro · 26-02-2019 1:39pm

NIMAN wrote: »

How did he kill himself, haven't seen it mentioned in any of the articles I read.

Hung himself. Care would he take a hatchet to his precious self though.
Feel awful for the guard who walked in on that scene. Apparently she broke down at the trial when describing finding the little boys.

NIMAN · 26-02-2019 1:43pm

What is it with this country that makes it as difficult as possible for families to get closure?

There is a legacy of it, from the likes of this case and going back through the churches child abuse, selling off babies to the US, Magdelene laundries etc.

FFS tell the family what they need to know! Their lives have been ruined, why make it harder for them!!

shenanagans · 26-02-2019 1:55pm

NIMAN wrote: »

What is it with this country that makes it as difficult as possible for families to get closure?

There is a legacy of it, from the likes of this case and going back through the churches child abuse, selling off babies to the US, Magdelene laundries etc.

FFS tell the family what they need to know! Their lives have been ruined, why make it harder for them!!

Agree with you.

These organisations should at least give the family an explanation as to why they won't release the information.

Paul Pogba · 26-02-2019 1:56pm

retro:electro wrote: »

But we know what happened in the school? He was caught masterbating to porn in his office. Clodagh didn’t know about this at the time of her death, and he was afraid it was all going to come out on his return to work.

Who caught him??

NIMAN · 26-02-2019 1:56pm

Paul Pogba wrote: »

Who caught him??

He told his counsellor that he had an issue with a work colleague.

SusieBlue · 26-02-2019 1:58pm

political analyst wrote: »

So that his parents and brothers would receive the money after he killed himself.

That's absolutely despicable. What a vile, evil, lame excuse for a human being.

Mrsmum · 26-02-2019 2:04pm

retro:electro wrote: »

He wanted his own family to be the beneficiaries of what little money they had, and not Clodagh’s. Controlling til the bitter end.

That would give you the shivers, that he was able to be ice cold enough to move money after he brutally killed them.
Also for his family, what a horrible, horrible 'gift' to get.

shenanagans · 26-02-2019 2:13pm

Mrsmum wrote: »

That would give you the shivers, that he was able to be ice cold enough to move money after he brutally killed them.
Also for his family, what a horrible, horrible 'gift' to get.

He was probably thinking of funeral costs. Her family were hardly going to bury him.

If they had been shown the letter at the time they wouldn't have buried him with his victims.

Mrsmum · 26-02-2019 2:16pm

shenanagans wrote: »

He was probably thinking of funeral costs. Her family were hardly going to bury him.

If they had been shown the letter at the time they wouldn't have buried him with his victims.

Yeah, fair enough I suppose. Hadn't thought of that.

Candamir · 26-02-2019 2:21pm

shenanagans wrote: »

He was probably thinking of funeral costs. Her family were hardly going to bury him.

If they had been shown the letter at the time they wouldn't have buried him with his victims.

No, I think it was just him being controlling to the very end. He even left instructions in the note he wrote about some of Clodagh’s jewellery that should go to her mother, and that his brother (I think) should get the car.
As far as I’m aware, funeral costs will come out of a persons estate before any beneficiaries get anything.
He may well have had issues with depression, but I fail to believe that he also didn’t have at least one personality disorder - Narcissistic Personality disorder being top of the list.

retro:electro · 26-02-2019 2:22pm

NIMAN wrote: »

He told his counsellor that he had an issue with a work colleague.

Could it have been that this colleague walked in on him, Hawe was pressuring him not to report it. They broke up for the summer, the conflict continued throughout the summer with the colleague finally insisting he was going to report what he had seen when they recommence in September? Hawe cancels all his counselling sessions and begins his demise, rather than face any disciplinary action for his inappropriate act.

Hannibal_Smith · 26-02-2019 2:23pm

Is that really why he moved the money? Surely he knew they could see it was transferred after he killed her?

I read something earlier that he didn't want to be buried...he asked to be cremated and his ashes thrown in the sea.

retro:electro · 26-02-2019 2:25pm

Hannibal_Smith wrote: »

Is that really why he moved the money? Surely he knew they could see it was transferred after he killed her?

I read something earlier that he didn't want to be buried...he asked to be cremated and his ashes thrown in the sea.

He left the banking online tab still open on the computer, I’m sure he wasn’t bothered.

Yes he asked to be cremated in the letter and not buried with his family, but this letter was not seen until over a year later.

Hannibal_Smith · 26-02-2019 2:32pm

retro:electro wrote: »

He left the banking online tab still open on the computer, I’m sure he wasn’t bothered.

Yes he asked to be cremated in the letter and not buried with his family, but this letter was not seen until over a year later.

No i know they didnt see the letter. Im questioning the idea that he moved it to cover his funeral costs. Going by the snippets of the letter thats been reported a funeral that would cost so much it would require moving funds doesnt seem likely.

mariaalice · 26-02-2019 2:36pm

Why is it an either-or situation he could have had a mental illness and be a bad person a mental illness is not an excuse its just a fact?

I honestly think the interview with the family should be shown to teenagers starting out on relationships as part of a discussion about relationships, to emphasise that uncontrollable jealousy, wanting to control every situation, over involvement in a partner's life, negative comments about weight, appearance, clothes, family or friends, and constant drama is not a normal relationship and an indication that something is wrong and they are not doing it because they love the person. The same with blaming others or a partner for their own problems its not normal its a form of distorted thinking and its not a healthy relationship.

There should be educated on what is and what is not a healthy relationship.

Wombatman · 26-02-2019 2:36pm

It has been established Hawe had been:

Dressing up in his wife’s underwear and clothes,
Accessing on-line porn on a school computer and phone, and
Browsing Russian dating sites.

But it is believed Hawe had another even darker secret which has never been revealed to those mourning his murder victims.

https://www.irishmirror.ie/news/irish-news/alan-hawe-revealed-cross-dressing-14053024

“We never found out why and we were advised that it probably would never happen at the inquest.

“But he said in his own words he was caught red-handed and we know that he was looking at pornography on the school laptop and he never brought the school laptop home.

“We’ve had sight of the counselling notes and he had said he was masturbating somewhere he shouldn’t have been, possibly school.

“So we have pieces of information but we don’t know who caught him. We don’t know why he was ringing the INTO, whether it was for advice for a grievance. We don’t know where it happened, when it happened.

“We do know, in the June, he cancelled all his counselling sessions and this all happened the day before he was to return to school so it was avoidance of the consequences he was about to face.”

tretorn · 26-02-2019 2:38pm

shenanagans wrote: »

He was probably thinking of funeral costs. Her family were hardly going to bury him.

If they had been shown the letter at the time they wouldn't have buried him with his victims.

I think he left instructions that the car which was fairly new was to be given to his brother.

I dont think he was thinking of funeral costs to be honest, he was divying stuff up, ie Clodaghs jewellery was to go to her mother, the car to his brother and presumably the money in his bank account was to go to his parents. He took the money from a joint account so half of this was his familys money anyway if he was thinking of funeral costs.

Dont forget he was doing this after he had murdered his entire family.

EDit · 26-02-2019 2:47pm

If he was caught **** at school by one of his colleagues, why hasn’t that person come forward and revealed all? Surely there cannot be any legal ramifications for someone who actually witnessed an event describing that event? If it were me, I don’t think I could supress that information while her family is suffering so much

marvin80 · 26-02-2019 2:47pm

iamwhoiam wrote: »

Did I hear Clodaghs sister sadly mention that her husband had also passed away ?
Jacqueline spoke so lovingly about her sister and nephews

Awful tragedies for the family to cope with:

"This was not the first tragedy suffered by Clodagh's family. Her brother, Tadhg, took his life in September 2010. Three years later, Jacqueline Connolly's husband, Richie, also took his life."

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-39877325

Paul Pogba · 26-02-2019 2:49pm

NIMAN wrote: »

He told his counsellor that he had an issue with a work colleague.

What does that prove??

Lollipops23 · 26-02-2019 2:54pm

marvin80 wrote: »

Awful tragedies for the family to cope with:

"This was not the first tragedy suffered by Clodagh's family. Her brother, Tadhg, took his life in September 2010. Three years later, Jacqueline Connolly's husband, Richie, also took his life."

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-39877325

Jesus that's a huge amount of hardship to deal with. Is Clodagh's father also dead? They mentioned that AH walked her down the aisle when they got married, seems very odd altogether.

iamwhoiam · 26-02-2019 2:56pm

marvin80 wrote: »

Awful tragedies for the family to cope with:

"This was not the first tragedy suffered by Clodagh's family. Her brother, Tadhg, took his life in September 2010. Three years later, Jacqueline Connolly's husband, Richie, also took his life."

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-39877325

Oh my God , how do they cope with such dreadful loss .

Hannibal_Smith · 26-02-2019 2:56pm

Lollipops23 wrote: »

Jesus that's a huge amount of hardship to deal with. Is Clodagh's father also dead? They mentioned that AH walked her down the aisle when they got married, seems very odd altogether.

And wantednti be there when went shopping for a bridesmaids dress i think?

shenanagans · 26-02-2019 2:57pm

Paul Pogba wrote: »

What does that prove??

That he couldn't face going back into that school and facing his colleagues. The murders happened the night before he was to return to work....no coincidence. Whatever happened at work, whatever he did wrong....it was going to die rather that face it. Coward!

Lollipops23 · 26-02-2019 2:59pm

Hannibal_Smith wrote: »

And wantednti be there when went shopping for a bridesmaids dress i think?

Most men would be bored to tears!!

Just wanting to exercise total control from start to finish. It's hard to believe there weren't more alarm bells in various areas of his life.

NIMAN · 26-02-2019 3:00pm

Paul Pogba wrote: »

What does that prove??

I only stated the fact because you asked who had caught him masturbating?

I think we are lead to believe it was the work colleague who he told the counsellor he had an issue with?

And maybe led to him cancelling his counselling sessions?

And the reason why, the night before he was meant to go back to school, he murdered his family?

iamwhoiam · 26-02-2019 3:09pm

He had ultimate control over his family and in his arrogance decided for them that they couldn't live with his shameful behaviour . Pure narcissistic behaviour

26-02-2019 3:14pm

iamwhoiam wrote: »

He had ultimate control over his family and in his arrogance decided for them that they couldn't live with his shameful behaviour . Pure narcissistic behaviour

I think he knew they could survive and be happy and he wouldn't let that happen,selfish to the end.

RollieFingers · 26-02-2019 3:15pm

Hannibal_Smith wrote: »

And wantednti be there when went shopping for a bridesmaids dress i think?

Maybe he was envisaging himself wearing the dress, judging by some of the information that has come out.

retro:electro · 26-02-2019 3:16pm

Lollipops23 wrote: »

Most men would be bored to tears!!

Just wanting to exercise total control from start to finish. It's hard to believe there weren't more alarm bells in various areas of his life.

Clodagh couldn’t even call around to her mother for a minutes peace and a cuppa without him tag tailing along. There were rumours at the time of their death that he was abusive but there was also a lot of sympathy surrounding any “issues” that he may have been suffering from. So glad we finally know the who the man truly was.

iamwhoiam · 26-02-2019 3:19pm

retro:electro wrote: »

Clodagh couldn’t even call around to her mother for a minutes peace and a cuppa without him tag tailing along. There were rumours at the time of their death that he was abusive but there was also a lot of sympathy surrounding any “issues” that he may have been suffering from. So glad we finally know the who the man truly was.

Her sister said it was a rare unusual event if she got to chat with Clodagh without him

retro:electro · 26-02-2019 3:26pm

iamwhoiam wrote: »

Her sister said it was a rare unusual event if she got to chat with Clodagh without him

Coercive control. Not necessarily physical abuse but the slow chipping away at your self worth, isolating you from those who care about you, an oppressive and domineering presence that makes you fear stepping out of line without them ever having to say a word, having your free time monitored and mobility restricted. This form of control has finally been legislated for this year, and is only now recognised as an act of domestic violence.

Paul Pogba · 26-02-2019 3:28pm

retro:electro wrote: »

Clodagh couldn’t even call around to her mother for a minutes peace and a cuppa without him tag tailing along. There were rumours at the time of their death that he was abusive but there was also a lot of sympathy surrounding any “issues” that he may have been suffering from. So glad we finally know the who the man truly was.

Her family never mentioned anything last night about him being abusive towards her but keep going with your personal crusade based on rumours and hearsay. Not defending him but hate when people try and prove facts with rumours and quotes from anonymous sources in the Sun, Star, Mirror etc etc

professore · 26-02-2019 3:30pm

What I find surprising is how people seem to think they know exactly the type of man he was and what motivated him. I don't think anyone has a clue - even people who knew him closely. Otherwise why didn't they raise the alarm?

It's easier for people to say "pure evil" .... only problem with that theory is that he killed himself. If he was pure evil he would have insured Clodagh and the kids for a ton of money and drove into the sea and "miraculously" escaped to live the life of Reilly. Or some such scheme that benefited him, like that guy who murdered his wife in Dublin several years ago. As it stands all he left is the legacy of being a monster. This isn't some attempt to defend him BTW, it's just an assessment of the facts. He doesn't come out of this a hero as a narcissist would want to.

One thing I've seen from watching some of the serial killer Netflix documentaries is seeing how "normal" people who do this kind of thing are. Several had people swearing up and down that they would never do something like that and that the police had the wrong man. Yet they did it anyway.

As for the records, it is a disgrace that the family haven't been given access.

Lollipops23 · 26-02-2019 3:31pm

retro:electro wrote: »

Clodagh couldn’t even call around to her mother for a minutes peace and a cuppa without him tag tailing along. .

My OH would be driven to distraction listening to myself and my mother yammer away. He even leaves the room when we're on the phone to one another!

It also sounds like he locked Clodagh down marriage-wise very very fast. They'd only just finished college when they were married, we're talking in the mid-late 90s at most. It would have been pretty unusual unless they were particularly religious (I don't get the impression they were particularly).

retro:electro · 26-02-2019 3:33pm

Paul Pogba wrote: »

Her family never mentioned anything last night about him being abusive towards her but keep going with your personal crusade based on rumours and hearsay. Not defending him but hate when people try and prove facts with rumours and quotes from anonymous sources in the Sun, Star, Mirror etc etc

Did you even watch the show? They stated many times how he was inappropriate, controlling and had an oppressive presence. She didn’t have a life outside of him. She couldn’t even meet her sister to try on dresses without him there. He didn’t have to be knocking ten bells out of her every evening to be abusive, maybe look up coercive control and it’s psychological manifestation. Oh, and did you miss the part where he savagely murdered her and her children with both a knife and an axe? Sounds pretty abusive to me.

Tchaikovsky · 26-02-2019 3:33pm

I was thinking about this tragedy last week, before the show was announced. Incredible to think that the family still haven't received the full information on the murderer. Those poor people.

professore · 26-02-2019 3:35pm

Lollipops23 wrote: »

My OH would be driven to distraction listening to myself and my mother yammer away. He even leaves the room when we're on the phone to one another!

It also sounds like he locked Clodagh down marriage-wise very very fast. They'd only just finished college when they were married, we're talking in the mid-late 90s at most. It would have been pretty unusual unless they were particularly religious (I don't get the impression they were particularly).

I suddenly have "urgent" work issues to attend to when the mother in law appears

iamwhoiam · 26-02-2019 3:39pm

Paul Pogba wrote: »

Her family never mentioned anything last night about him being abusive towards her but keep going with your personal crusade based on rumours and hearsay. Not defending him but hate when people try and prove facts with rumours and quotes from anonymous sources in the Sun, Star, Mirror etc etc

They most certainly mentioned mental abuse and controlling behaviour . Abuse takes many forms and it was noted by those who knew her best

JMNolan · 26-02-2019 3:42pm

A Tyrant Named Miltiades! wrote: »

What other evidence could there be?

Does this priest believe that the jury are fools?

It's like he thinks nobody should be convicted unless there's CCTV or forensics. The jury have heard all of the evidence.

You listening to duffy?

26-02-2019 3:43pm

JMNolan wrote: »

You listening to duffy?

Arghh, wrong thread :pac:

Claire Byrne show. Her name was Clodagh

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