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  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Education Moderators Posts: 27,264 CMod ✭✭✭✭spurious


    I seem to have lost my 'Help' button on ancestry.

    I know the message boards were not very active but I used to drop in every so often.

    Up the top left, it used to say Home Trees Search DNA Help, now all except Help.

    Not sure if they are gone altogether.



  • Registered Users Posts: 7 Comsewogue


    It's still there but it's been moved. Look for the ? icon next to your profile on the right side of the top navigation bar. Click that and under 'Community', you'll find the link to the message boards.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,777 ✭✭✭BowWow


    Is there anything as useless as the "Notifications" button in Ancestry's revised menu bar at the top of their page?

    e.g. "Hi, well done, you've added "X (1700-1750)" to your tree. Why don't you post a photo of them now?"



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Education Moderators Posts: 27,264 CMod ✭✭✭✭spurious


    Or the hints. Is this their wife Mary Jane (1911-1971)?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 407 ✭✭VirginiaB


    There’s a discussion on Ancestry’s message boards about the boards’ new secret hiding place and whether it presages an eventual end to them. Only the persistent can find them and newbies might never know they are there.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 407 ✭✭VirginiaB


    This is really off topic but is historic so I hope someone here might know. I recently re-read a book about the Donner Party episode in the 1840s in American history. It relies a good deal on a diary kept by Irish immigrant, Patrick Breen from Co Carlow. In it, he refers to beginning 'the thirty days'. He is referring to Advent. Google has been no help so does anyone know if Advent was once referred to as 'the thirty days' in Ireland--or anywhere?

    As an aside, his wife Margaret Bulger, whom he married in Canada, first port of call for both of them, was also from Co Carlow. The book is "Ordeal by Hunger", not about the Famine.



  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 6,672 Mod ✭✭✭✭pinkypinky


    I don't but there's a new book out called the Irish and Christmas edited by Salvador Ryan. He's on Twitter and might know. @SalvadorRyan

    Genealogy Forum Mod



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 407 ✭✭VirginiaB


    Thanks for that. He does seem to be an expert on the subject as this book is just out and his cv is very impressive.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 699 ✭✭✭Mick Tator


    Growing up in Ireland I never heard of the ‘thirty days’. Advent did not feature in my childhood other than to be aware of it from liturgy – the first Sunday in Advent, etc. Technically, Advent must contain four Sundays, so it can be as short as 23 or as long as 28 days, but never 30. I have a vague recollection of Advent calendars (covering the full month of December?) back in 1960’s Ireland but not before that.

    Have you had a look in the Folklore Commission files? https://www.duchas.ie/en



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 407 ✭✭VirginiaB


    Thanks for that info. It does help to know that 'the thirty days' is not something recalled by those living. So whatever it was, it is either a long-past custom or one very local to this family. I do know about the Folklore Files but I think that would e a bit of a rabbit hole for me for this question.

    Patrick Breen's Diary is digitized and the actual diary indicates the family started 'the thirty days' on Christmas Eve, not the beginning of Advent as the book seemed to imply--or I read it incorrectly.

    Thanks again to both of you.

    Later--More research revealed that 'the thirty days' was an old devotion of saying a specific prayer to the Virgin Mary for thirty days. The prayer is in some old prayer books and also online, found with some digging. It is said, as the name implies, for thirty days. There is no specific connection to Advent or Christmas. Margaret Bulger Breen did exclaim her thanks to the Virgin Mary when the family were rescued at the point of death in the Sierra Nevada mountains.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 699 ✭✭✭Mick Tator


    I’ve just read CB’s review of Ancestry’s new ‘Pro’ tool. It’s an interesting take, (and a blog worth following). https://cbgeneal ogy.ie/ancestry-pro-tools/?utm_source=substack&utm_medium=email

    Of late, I’ve been bombarded with Ancestry’s product pop-ups and click-bait exclamation marks to the point of annoyance. It seems that Ancestry’s new owners mistakenly believe that sweating their assets through flogging the ‘Pro’ tool & ‘Pet DNA’ 🙄 has more potential than giving customers what they really want or something innovative.



  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 6,672 Mod ✭✭✭✭pinkypinky


    Thanks @Mick Tator - Happy New Year.

    Genealogy Forum Mod



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 699 ✭✭✭Mick Tator


    Thanks Pinky, same to you and wishing you lots of 'finds' in 2024!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 69,538 ✭✭✭✭L1011


    Took the Ancestry 1 quid/3 months offer - again, not sure why this keeps working for me - and the first DNA match I review is yet another kid from a (different) affair of my great uncle.

    That's two now, plus the kids from three marriages. Wonder how many more will turn up!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 971 ✭✭✭Jellybaby_1


    I'm fascinated....do keep us informed about your great uncle's 'exploits'. I don't have anybody in my tree who wandered that much! I haven't been receiving any €1 offers from Ancestry, only €20 for 4 months. I didn't bother.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 699 ✭✭✭Mick Tator


    The article is more than a little OTT but it's an interesting read. Free search of archive for a while..

    Searching for your Irish ancestry? Guinness’ archives could help you reconnect with your roots | CNN

    Link to search page https://www.guinness-storehouse.com/en/discover/find-your-family



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 833 ✭✭✭cobham


    I had great results from Guinness archives. I was able to make appointment to see the actual files as well which included a lot of detail.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,708 ✭✭✭Waitsian


    https://www.irishgenealogynews.com/2024/03/new-at-findmypast-irish-land-purchase.html

    Has anyone else delved in to this new record set!? I'm having a ball I must admit, searching in Cavan, Kerry and Armagh so far. I haven't touched Louth, Monaghan, Down or Clare yet. Fabulous resource!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 69,538 ✭✭✭✭L1011


    I'm quite interested in that, one great great grandfather was somewhat notable (as in he gets mentioned in newspapers, for something other than his ads for his shop) in the Land League

    Then on another side, the place that many generations were living was bought by the Congested Districts Board in one go to get rid of a particularly terrible landlord (bought the estate post famine and did a clearance to the US then to increase farm size; punitive rack rents; had people harshly prosecuted for wandering sheep etc etc etc)

    Going to wait for a FMP free period though.



  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 6,672 Mod ✭✭✭✭pinkypinky


    I'd like more background - how is this a printed record that we didn't already know about?

    Did you hear the RTÉ History show is doing another episode on the Land Commission on Sunday. They apparently got inside! Promising good news for researchers - but I wonder if it will just be this FMP release?

    Genealogy Forum Mod



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  • Registered Users Posts: 118 ✭✭55Gem


    I don't have a sub to Find My Past but looking at the image on Irish Genealogy News isn't all this free to view on EPPI

    Enhanced British Parliamentary Papers On Ireland (dippam.ac.uk)

    difficult to search granted but I have found the loans granted to most of my families and their neighbours there.

    An example

    Enhanced British Parliamentary Papers On Ireland (dippam.ac.uk)



  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 6,672 Mod ✭✭✭✭pinkypinky


    Aha, so that's where it's come from then.

    Transcribing it and making it searchable is always better though. It's fine if you're flipping through a physical book but digital searching like that is tedious. You basically have to look at every page to get a handle on it.

    Genealogy Forum Mod



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 324 ✭✭kildarejohn


    Tried out the Land Commission Advances - thanks to Waitsian. This is a great resource, particularly since the date is close to 1901 census. So it helps you make the connection between names in census and land records from Griffiths Valn in 1850's. Great if ancestor moved home during this period. To link up to the Griffiths maps you just need to match up the acres/roods/perches of the holding. Similar info can be got from Cancelled Books, but you have to visit Val'n Office in Dublin to see those. great to have info indexed online.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 833 ✭✭✭cobham


    You need to make appointment to see anything in Valuation Office....



  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 6,672 Mod ✭✭✭✭pinkypinky


    Yes, they introduced appointments during the pandemic and never went back. They do have a small space but I'd never seen it full.

    It bugs me too that they don't have a public loo.

    Genealogy Forum Mod



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 699 ✭✭✭Mick Tator


    So MyHeritage finally is getting its act together on its nespaper database. Previously useless (particularly for Ireland) it now has announced the launch of -

    ‘OldNews.com includes hundreds of millions of historical newspaper pages from around the world, with millions more added monthly.’

    I have not tried it yet, will do so when I’ll be able to maximise use of the free trial access for seven days if you register.



  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 6,672 Mod ✭✭✭✭pinkypinky


    I do like the name.

    I've had a look and it's still got limited coverage for Ireland right now, but apparently more coming soon. It's a separate subscription though, like Newspapers.com and Ancestry, unless you go for their Omni tier.

    https://blog.myheritage.com/2024/03/introducing-oldnews-com-a-new-website-for-exploring-historical-newspapers/

    Genealogy Forum Mod



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 69,538 ✭✭✭✭L1011


    The electoral registers that were made in-person only are now on John Grenhams site, along with some other stuff that was still up after that decision.

    I'd rush before someone throws their oar in about the registers again.



  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 11,421 Mod ✭✭✭✭Hermy


    That's great news!

    Genealogy Forum Mod



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 971 ✭✭✭Jellybaby_1


    At last, some excitement in Genealogy. I've been in the doldrums for so long now.



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  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 6,672 Mod ✭✭✭✭pinkypinky


    Yes, just saw Claire's tweet.

    I made a list of things I wanted to check on it at some stage…where did I put it?

    Genealogy Forum Mod



  • Registered Users Posts: 118 ✭✭55Gem


    This is just wonderful.

    I'm tracking a family that lived on North Strand Road until it was bombed during WWII. It interesting to note another family from that house moved into the same house as my lot on Philipsburgh Ave



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,873 ✭✭✭mrslancaster


    Well that didn't last long. Saw the database was there last evening after reading the above post, but when I tried to look something up this afternoon it was gone with a message about data protection 😢😢.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 971 ✭✭✭Jellybaby_1


    Aw ratz!



  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 6,672 Mod ✭✭✭✭pinkypinky


    Yeah, he's quietly updated the blog post saying they are temporarily offline.

    Disappointed but not surprised.

    Genealogy Forum Mod



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,873 ✭✭✭mrslancaster


    I don't understand how a list of names and addresses from '38-60 can cause so much angst - some are probably incorrect anyway because people moved frequently - yet more information can be seen on marriage or death certs for most of that time period. How can data from one state agency be restricted by DP but another can publish and update similar data every year. Odd.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 69,538 ✭✭✭✭L1011


    I did say rush but I didn't think someone would complain that quick!

    You can still inspect the full, current electoral register; in person - and can't actually use the info except for electoral purposes; so the idea of choking it to 100 years is ridiculous.

    And if they are going to do that, they should be updating the >100 year ones more frequently albeit I would not expect there to have been particularly good data for 1920-23 if at all.



  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 6,672 Mod ✭✭✭✭pinkypinky


    It's ridiculous though - you can buy current electoral registers for marketing!

    You had to be 21 to vote until 1971 so the youngest people on the 1957 register who might be alive now would be 88.

    To use the register in person, you need to know their address so it's not terribly realistic for speculative searching.

    Genealogy Forum Mod



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 69,538 ✭✭✭✭L1011


    Marketing purposes recently stopped, but any register pre 1990s was signed up for in full knowledge that it was open season



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  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 11,421 Mod ✭✭✭✭Hermy


    I wasn't aware that anything had changed since the last time the registers were taken down so, though I'm very disappointed, I'm not at all surprised that they didn't stay online very long.

    Genealogy Forum Mod



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 107 ✭✭dubred


    That's disappointing alright, I had made a couple of discoveries, but hadn't recorded them sufficiently to follow them up and now I can think of so many more searches I would like to have done.

    How well maintained were the registers, for example, I was able to see a person in them at the same address up to 55/56, but not in 56/57 (but another member of the household continues to appear), given he was born in the 1880's it is reasonable to assume he died around then, but how long would it have taken to be removed from the register. He has a common enough name but is not one of the 10 people with that name who died in 1956.

    I had a second example of a man who died in 1936, but was still on the register in 1944, I am told he had a son with the same name, who I have never been able to find a trace of, wondering if this is just non-removal from the register or possibly evidence of a son?

    Do the actual registers contain any additional information like age or date of birth?

    Is there any way to get information from the registers without going in person, I don't live in Dublin.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 69,538 ✭✭✭✭L1011


    Registers used to be quite up to date, the rates collectors updated them. DOB is not recorded

    Since the end of domestic rates, they have been appalling. Former rental house a few doors down from me has ten people registered none of whom still live there - it's empty!

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  • Registered Users Posts: 118 ✭✭55Gem


    I have one of a woman record with her sister up to 1945 but she married in 1940, she doesn’t appear on the register under her married name until 1949 with her husband.

    Her husband was very political and spent time in prison during the 1940s so that may explain it, but clearly she didn’t inform them of her change of surname, perhaps because of who her husband was.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 107 ✭✭dubred


    I found out that he died in late 1954, so not too far off, the register definitely narrowed down my search, I also found his wife's death based on her disappearance from the register, Murphy's are not easy to track!



  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 6,672 Mod ✭✭✭✭pinkypinky


    If you have an address, DCLA will do a look up on them for you, but nothing speculative.

    Genealogy Forum Mod



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 107 ✭✭dubred


    Thanks, that sounds useful. The website suggests up to 5 queries per consultation, I will choose carefully.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 407 ✭✭VirginiaB


    Claire Santry posts on her website today that all of FindMyPast's records are open and free this weekend thru Monday 10 June 2024 at 10am. There are just two exceptions. This is to mark the 80th anniversary of D-Day. You can read the details here https://www.irishgenealogynews.com/



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,532 ✭✭✭crossman47


    Thanks for that. I have signed up. I would welcome advice from the experts here on what might be beneficial to try.

    I have developed a reasonably extensive tree based on using irish genealogy.ie (for baptisms and marriages which are happily available for the area that interests me in Cork plus civil registrations), ancestry.com especially for US links, irish newspaper archives and Census of course. I can trace a direct line back to c.1800 and am reasonable happy I have good detail of the immediate linkages from c. 1860 (siblings of grand parent - yes I am of an age where my grandfather was born in 1860) but would like to be able to get more on 1800 - 1860 (siblings of direct ancestors, etc). Does FMP have anything in particular that may help?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 833 ✭✭✭cobham


    I am not a subscriber to Findmypast at the moment. But it can be used to search for church records where it will throw up results that I can then use to access the free microfiche records on the Irish website. Much easier to find a record when you have a year/parish suggestion.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 324 ✭✭kildarejohn


    FMP has a different selection of newspapers to INA so you might be lucky and find newspaper refs to ancestors, FMP also has trade/street directories, although searching them can be very frustrating because of the way FMP displays the search results.



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