Baselworld 2019 news and rumours

OmegaGene · 16-03-2019 9:54am #1

Baselworld 2019 news and rumours
Sneak peek from Rolex

https://www.instagram.com/p/BvBsGpGHWAX/?utm_source=ig_share_sheet&igshid=1ch5igs8uh610

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With the Swatch Group’s surprising announcement that it will not participate in Baselworld 2019, this year will be markedly different from past shows and see the halls absent of significant brands like Omega, Breguet, Blancpain, Hamilton, Longines and Tissot.

funkyouup · 16-03-2019 12:21pm

This is like the E3 of watches half the industry isnt going?

Do the Swatch Group also manufacture watches outside of Switzerland? Seen a hamilton on Creation Watches that didnt have the swiss made on the dial.

893bet · 16-03-2019 3:07pm

I predict at least one Rolex that no one will be able to buy from an AD with out naming their first born child after them.

Will trade at 250% of RRP and then drop back to 150-200% or so.

Time · 16-03-2019 9:17pm

The watch in the Rolex teaser is a non GMT (unless someone can see a 4th hand somewhere I can’t) with date. The hour markers and 12 marker show that it’s a professional model which would limit it to SD, Sub or YM. Dial is black too, so I’m guessing it’s a Sub with the new updated movement from the DJ 2

Personally I’m more interested in what Tudor are going to do, if they reveal a new sub I’ll order one on Tuesday

Time · 17-03-2019 1:42am

OmegaGene wrote: »

Baselworld starts Thursday 21st btw

So it does! I have my days mixed up.

funkyouup · 19-03-2019 7:02pm

This guy has a few leaked pics from Rolex -

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DjPnzo-xcTI

Oafley Jones · 19-03-2019 7:16pm

funkyouup wrote: »

This guy has a few leaked pics from Rolex -

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DjPnzo-xcTI

Taken from Rolex Pasion Report, which (with one or two notable exceptions) has a terrible accuracy record. Also, not known for holding up his hand when wrong.

funkyouup · 19-03-2019 7:23pm

That's probably for the best, that meteorite dial version looked horrible!

funkyouup · 19-03-2019 8:45pm

What about the SKX Tudor at the end:D

Oafley Jones · 19-03-2019 9:24pm

funkyouup wrote: »

That's probably for the best, that meteorite dial version looked horrible!

Also didn't have a GMT hand, which is a bit of an issue. He's taken it down... and blocked anyone who's pointed this out to him. Now onto the Batman, where the dial is missing the crown.

funkyouup · 19-03-2019 9:50pm

He changed the title and left the video up to harvest more views.

Oafley Jones · 20-03-2019 12:18pm

Watches are live on Rolex. Credit to RPR, he's called these, with 24 hrs out but still, well done.

Good to see that they've updated the 36mm DJ and DD. Was interested in the bi-metal DJ36, so really want to see how the SS compares.

893bet · 20-03-2019 12:33pm

Blnr on jubilee is not a good match IMO.

Time · 20-03-2019 12:40pm

Very underwhelmed by Rolex and dissapointed with Tudor. The new YM is just dull looking, they could have at least matched the styling of the dial from the RG version. BLNR is not as nice as the Pepsi on a jubilee. The DJ getting the updated movement is welcome but they no longer have the super jubilee, so personally i'd stick with the old DJ in order to get that rather than have the new movement.

Tudor, where to even start with them that P01 is disgusting, the chrono on leather strap is equally as hideous. Bronze black bays are nothing new, and the bracelet on the new 41 is far too busy, the centre links should be uniform IMO.

Oafley Jones · 20-03-2019 12:41pm

893bet wrote: »

Blnr on jubilee is not a good match IMO.

Funnily enough, I actually prefer it. Never cared for PCLs on oysters

Oafley Jones · 20-03-2019 12:47pm

Time wrote: »

Very underwhelmed by Rolex and dissapointed with Tudor. The new YM is just dull looking, they could have at least matched the styling of the dial from the RG version. BLNR is not as nice as the Pepsi on a jubilee. The DJ getting the updated movement is welcome but they no longer have the super jubilee, so personally i'd stick with the old DJ in order to get that rather than have the new movement.

Tudor, where to even start with them that P01 is disgusting, the chrono on leather strap is equally as hideous. Bronze black bays are nothing new, and the bracelet on the new 41 is far too bust the centre links should be uniform IMO.

Tried on both the old and new bi-metal DJ 36 recently and while I agree that the super jubilee is lovely and preferred, the new case is much, much nicer.

Between the Rolex brands I was more excited about Tudor this year. Oh dear. You have to give them points for daring to make a distinctive, yet aggressively ugly, watch with the P01.

Time · 20-03-2019 12:50pm

Oafley Jones wrote: »

Tried on both the old and new bi-metal DJ 36 recently and while I agree that the super jubilee is lovely and preferred, the new case is much, much nicer.

Between the Rolex brands I was more excited about Tudor this year. Oh dear. You have to give them points for daring to make a distinctive, yet aggressively ugly, watch with the P01.

What are the differences in the DJ cases? I hadn't noticed any! I was more excited about Tudor too... maybe next year will be a better year for them.

Oafley Jones · 20-03-2019 1:04pm

Time wrote: »

What are the differences in the DJ cases? I hadn't noticed any! I was more excited about Tudor too... maybe next year will be a better year for them.

Sleeker with better proportions while having a cleaner more contemporary dial that seems much larger. I think it’s their nicest watch case.

2shea · 20-03-2019 2:04pm

893bet wrote: »

Blnr on jubilee is not a good match IMO.

For sure! It looks pretty awful.

2shea · 20-03-2019 2:10pm

Time wrote: »

Very underwhelmed by Rolex and dissapointed with Tudor. The new YM is just dull looking, they could have at least matched the styling of the dial from the RG version. BLNR is not as nice as the Pepsi on a jubilee. The DJ getting the updated movement is welcome but they no longer have the super jubilee, so personally i'd stick with the old DJ in order to get that rather than have the new movement.

Tudor, where to even start with them that P01 is disgusting, the chrono on leather strap is equally as hideous. Bronze black bays are nothing new, and the bracelet on the new 41 is far too busy, the centre links should be uniform IMO.

100% agree. Everything from Tudor this year is just awful. That P01 monstrosity looks looks like some sort of bad Seiko rip off And Rolex didn't even bother! I didn't get my 36mm Explorer at this rate I don't think it will ever happen.

I'm not expecting much from Omega either.

Maybe Seiko and Grand Seiko will surprise us?

A+-Guru · 20-03-2019 2:13pm

That p01 is one ugly watch jaysus, but I bet that is the one that becomes collectable. No one wants the thing. That willl be discontinued rather fast. Ugliest watch I ever seen

2shea · 20-03-2019 2:15pm

A+-Guru wrote: »

That p01 is one ugly watch jaysus, but I bet that is the one that becomes collectable. No one wants the thing. That willl be discontinued rather fast. Ugliest watch I ever seen

Can't ever see that being desirable!

oxocube · 20-03-2019 2:26pm

893bet wrote: »

Blnr on jubilee is not a good match IMO.

Strangely I agree with this. The Pepsi is fine on a Jubilee, just not the BLNR.

Go figure :cool:

Oafley Jones · 21-03-2019 10:32am

oxocube wrote: »

Strangely I agree with this. The Pepsi is fine on a Jubilee, just not the BLNR.

Go figure :cool:

Now that I've seen the live pictures I agree. I'm not sure why the different colour makes a difference, but it does. Odd.

Love the new SS DJ36. It's a classically good looking Rolex. Also, looks great with the domed bezel, unlike the two-tone and especially the 41mm which looks bloated the more I see it.

36 vs 41

Cienciano · 21-03-2019 12:43pm

I think the P01 looks good. Something a bit different

funkyouup · 23-03-2019 12:42pm

New Seiko Monsters dont look as monstrous.

Dont like magnyfying glass on watches at the best of times but i dont think it works on a Monster -

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F5cYdVT3rsA

Time · 23-03-2019 8:02pm

Oafley Jones wrote: »

Also, looks great with the domed bezel, unlike the two-tone and especially the 41mm which looks bloated the more I see it.

When you see them side by side i think it’s the proportion of the bezel to the dial on the 41mm that makes it look wrong.

Zagato · 24-03-2019 11:31am

Excited to see a new Sinn Arktis which looks great. Big price though, and watch would be way too big for me 43mm and 17mm thick.
I guess it won't help bring down price of originals.

theheavyhitter · 26-03-2019 12:49pm

Personally I was disappointed with Rolex and Tudor this year. I was hoping for a Coke on jubilee rather than the Batman. Also I was looking forward to a reissue of the Tudor Submariner. Like many I was thrown by Tudor's teaser of the lumed triangle on the matte dial. The P01 looks like a poor copy of the SKX007.
My favourite of the show was the SLA033. Its just a shame Seiko have limited it to only 2500 pieces, with a high price. I think mass producing it with a 4R36 at say the 500 Euro price tier; similar to the SRP777 series of Turtle would have made it a big hit.

Anjobe · 27-03-2019 11:41am

The production version of the Zenith Defy Lab prototype of a couple of years ago was due to launch at BaselWorld this year and is now appearing on their website as the Zenith Defy Inventor - https://www.zenith-watches.com/en_en/defy-inventor.html.

They've gone with titanium for the case and just retained aeronith for the bezel, probably cost saving but the list price is still €17.6K. Must be the biggest innovation in mechanical movements for a long time though - 129,600 bph mono-crystalline silicon oscillator replacing the spring balance and accuracy within 0.5s/day for over 95% of the power reserve.

Time · 27-03-2019 5:47pm

Anjobe wrote: »

The production version of the Zenith Defy Lab prototype of a couple of years ago was due to launch at BaselWorld this year and is now appearing on their website as the Zenith Defy Inventor - https://www.zenith-watches.com/en_en/defy-inventor.html.

They've gone with titanium for the case and just retained aeronith for the bezel, probably cost saving but the list price is still €17.6K. Must be the biggest innovation in mechanical movements for a long time though - 129,600 bph mono-crystalline silicon oscillator replacing the spring balance and accuracy within 0.5s/day for over 95% of the power reserve.

Technically thats extremely impressive for an automatic, I'd love to see that in a non skeletonised El Primo grand date

theheavyhitter · 27-03-2019 11:27pm

Anjobe wrote: »

The production version of the Zenith Defy Lab prototype of a couple of years ago was due to launch at BaselWorld this year and is now appearing on their website as the Zenith Defy Inventor - https://www.zenith-watches.com/en_en/defy-inventor.html.

They've gone with titanium for the case and just retained aeronith for the bezel, probably cost saving but the list price is still €17.6K. Must be the biggest innovation in mechanical movements for a long time though - 129,600 bph mono-crystalline silicon oscillator replacing the spring balance and accuracy within 0.5s/day for over 95% of the power reserve.

Interesting technological advances. Interesting development from Tag Heuer too; using a carbon composite hairspring in their Autavia. I wonder how it will compare with silicon and Parachrom hairsprings being used in other brands; in terms of durability. I admire brands that are willing to take risks and push the technology onwards, rather than just creating cosmetic changes to their pieces.
I often wonder if Rolex use Tudor as their test pieces for new ideas, before implementing them in Rolex pieces. Such as the 70 hour power reserve of the Black Bay in house movements, then updating their own Rolex GMT movements to 70 hours too. Interesting article on the Parachrom hairpsring here:
https://www.bobswatches.com/rolex-blog/resources/rolex-parachrom-bleu-hairspring.html

Eoin · 28-03-2019 12:33am

Pretty underwhelmed by most I've seen - the Tudor P01 looks slightly less fugly in some photos I've seen, but still - god no.

Really like these though

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Some nice new Sinns, but they're getting pretty dear

And MB&F are as mental as ever
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2shea · 28-03-2019 11:12am

Eoin wrote: »

Pretty underwhelmed by most I've seen - the Tudor P01 looks slightly less fugly in some photos I've seen, but still - god no.

Really like these

That blue and orange Zodiac looks very nice! Very retro isn't it. I see they are only releasing limited numbers of both them watches though.

theheavyhitter · 28-03-2019 11:20am

Thanks for the pictures Eoin. I love reissue pieces from the 60's and 70's like that the Zodiac in Gulf colours.
I hadn't seen the Sinn, but really like it. See my thread about looking for a grand complication like a Patek Philippe.
I like the Sinn has the 2 rectangular windows for day and month under the 12. Really like that look on a dial.
Sinn are a great value/quality brand, that I feel often don't get the recognition they deserve. I don't know why that is, as they are every bit as good (if not better) than similar price tier Swiss made pieces. I quite like the made in Germany aspect to them.
With regards to Zodiac, I think them being owned by the Fossil Group has damaged their heritage sadly. Similar case to Glycine, now it is owned by Invicta Watch Group. Personally I like Glycine, and don't care who owns them; but there is a lot of snobbery when it comes to watch collecting especially when it comes to Swiss made brands. Regards.

Cienciano · 28-03-2019 11:33am

theheavyhitter wrote: »

Personally I like Glycine, and don't care who owns them; but there is a lot of snobbery when it comes to watch collecting especially when it comes to Swiss made brands. Regards.

Yes

theheavyhitter wrote: »

I love the Patek Philippe Grand Complication pieces. But they are way out of my league.
So I have been looking for an alternative, within a max budget of circa 2000 Euro.
Ideally I would like a Swiss made piece, so brands I have been looking...

Oh... :pac:

Eoin · 28-03-2019 2:43pm

theheavyhitter wrote: »

Thanks for the pictures Eoin. I love reissue pieces from the 60's and 70's like that the Zodiac in Gulf colours.
I hadn't seen the Sinn, but really like it. See my thread about looking for a grand complication like a Patek Philippe.
I like the Sinn has the 2 rectangular windows for day and month under the 12. Really like that look on a dial.
Sinn are a great value/quality brand, that I feel often don't get the recognition they deserve. I don't know why that is, as they are every bit as good (if not better) than similar price tier Swiss made pieces. I quite like the made in Germany aspect to them.
With regards to Zodiac, I think them being owned by the Fossil Group has damaged their heritage sadly. Similar case to Glycine, now it is owned by Invicta Watch Group. Personally I like Glycine, and don't care who owns them; but there is a lot of snobbery when it comes to watch collecting especially when it comes to Swiss made brands. Regards.

There was a piece I read arguing that Fossil are good for the Zodiac brand (or at least their existence) - their massive range of fashion watches pays for things like these re-issues, which may not even need to be profitable. Other companies may not take that punt.

On the Sinn thing - totally agreed. They're very well made, but I think the model I linked to above is 3-4K. To me, they've been one of those brands that are great value in the 1-2K range, which I don't think is that crowded.

theheavyhitter · 28-03-2019 2:49pm

Eoin wrote: »

There was a piece I read arguing that Fossil are good for the Zodiac brand (or at least their existence) - their massive range of fashion watches pays for things like these re-issues, which may not even need to be profitable. Other companies may not take that punt.

On the Sinn thing - totally agreed. They're very well made, but I think the model I linked to above is 3-4K. To me, they've been one of those brands that are great value in the 1-2K range, which I don't think is that crowded.

From the buyers perspective I think the Swatch Group owning Omega and Blancpain etc, is a good thing. For the simple reason that it has driven the servicing costs; and spare parts down. I like Glycine, and think they are a viable alternative to Steinhart at a similar price tier. If being owned by Invicta keeps their prices down then that is a good thing. I suppose the reality is, that brands such as Zodiac would have died out due to not being viable if it weren't for the likes of Fossil. Yema is another brand I am pleased to see resurrected with lots of heritage reissues from the 1970's; still being made in France.

Wibbs · 28-03-2019 4:34pm

theheavyhitter wrote: »

Yema is another brand I am pleased to see resurrected with lots of heritage reissues from the 1970's; still being made in France.

Yema were bought by Seiko back in the 80's but it didn't last too long. Interestingly their new watches seem to be using the Seiko era tooling and cases. I've an 80's Superman and save for the seconds hand it's identical to their current heritage example. Yema were an interesting company and like most French watch houses had a wide range of quality from cheap as chips pin pallet to high end, often bought in movement offerings. LIP were the same.

theheavyhitter · 28-03-2019 4:55pm

Wibbs wrote: »

Yema were bought by Seiko back in the 80's but it didn't last too long. Interestingly their new watches seem to be using the Seiko era tooling and cases. I've an 80's Superman and save for the seconds hand it's identical to their current heritage example. Yema were an interesting company and like most French watch houses had a wide range of quality from cheap as chips pin pallet to high end, often bought in movement offerings. LIP were the same.

What do you think of the Superman heritage reissue with the ETA 2824-2 movement? And also their own Ambre in-house movement? Apparently they are working on a Superman GMT version with a Pepsi bezel, similar in looks to the Black Bay GMT.

Wibbs · 28-03-2019 5:49pm

Like the in house movement. Shows commitment. The Superman heritage is OK. It would have been better if it was more like the 70's original though. The Seiko era examples are nice, remarkably slim and delicate for a 300 metre depth rating(which they will pass too) and make other way more expensive offerings for that rating look overly heavy and clunky, but that could be the problem. Buyers expect more heft for their wrist these days. The 70's originals were more hefty. I'd suspect having the 80's era tooling was the decider on costs.

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