George H W Bush has died

Wanderer78 · 02-12-2018 2:21pm

skooterblue2 wrote: »

He may not talk the talk like Obama or have the charm of Bill Clinton, But the man knows business and how to get things moving. He has been the head of a Fortune 500 company. He fires incompetent people or people who have been compromised, he has work ethic, he does charity and civil rights. George W Bush just played golf and Obama surfed the net for 4 hours a night.

Shure he has made mistakes in business but he has always bounced back up. America needs to be run as business and not as a social welfare state for Banks corporations and non nationals. I only wish we had a Taoiseach who put Ireland first.

....you d have to wonder, is here really any hope for mankind!

markodaly · 02-12-2018 2:41pm

Franz Von Peppercorn wrote: »

There’s not enough evidence for the conspiracy theory, for sure.

However you believe that the US government would never bomb its own citizens if it could?

That is a rethocial question, we are dealing with the actual facts of 9/11 however.

skooterblue2 · 02-12-2018 3:39pm

Franz Von Peppercorn wrote: »

There’s not enough evidence for the conspiracy theory, for sure.

However you believe that the US government would never bomb its own citizens if it could?

Shure didnt they test the pattern for spreading biological agents on the citizens of St Paul in Minnesota? and a few other medium sized cities? "For the greater good?"

Atoms for Peace · 02-12-2018 3:43pm

GHWB had a point in creating a new world order, but thanks to the war mongering of the Democrats a insurmountable chasm has opened up between East and West again.

batgoat · 02-12-2018 3:49pm

skooterblue2 wrote: »

How do you think the war of independence would have gotten off the ground if Collins couldnt get finance? Keep the 12 apostles fed, armed and in safe houses? Who kept the Flying Columns in West Cork moving? Paid Remington for the Thompsons (great idea but massive problems with acquiring 45 parabellum)? Paid Mausers for the k98's? Not sure how many Mausers 96's? Paid bribes, pensions and seed money for the foundation of the state. We used to have an army then of 30,000.

Notice how the IRA struck the British at a particular weak point exactly after the first world war, Spanish flu, failed expeditionary force to Russia. British were worn down at that stage that didnt happen by accident.

Before you say "wacist" I have a few Jewish friends (not many) and visited many synagogues in Ireland the UK and the States. I do recognise they are cut from a different material. They have a different attitude to life and their religion has out lived many, many contemporaries of their time and will outlive our own western civilisation.

Ah yep, you're basically using rhetoric that wouldn't be out of place in "the international jew" by Henry Ford. So you agree with Hitler to an extent on the topic? Saying you have many Jewish friends doesn't make the above statements factual or sane.

skooterblue2 · 02-12-2018 4:08pm

tuxy wrote: »

I'm not an engineer. Can we talk about things I do know about please.
You claimed yesterday that pressurised kerosene does not explode, I'm still baffled by this.

I said Kerosene does not explode, that would be under "normal conditions" like on the farm burning rubbish. I dont have any formal training with explosives, it wouldnt be on a Biomedical engineering course (I dont even know how a car engine starts, no interest), what knowledge of explosives I do have would have been in books passed around.

Now under normal conditions water cannnot cut bread but if you put it through an aperture at high enough pressure it will work better than any knife with no moving parts, that is not under normal conditions. I have often heard of that in cake factories with assembly line production.

skooterblue2 · 02-12-2018 4:16pm

batgoat wrote: »

Ah yep, you're basically using rhetoric that wouldn't be out of place in "the international jew" by Henry Ford. So you agree with Hitler to an extent on the topic? Saying you have many Jewish friends doesn't make the above statements factual or sane.

oh yes you have me in one. Jews and their own kind come first and foremost. Their first loyalty is to their own faith, people and homeland. I have no problem with this ideology, in a similar position I would do the same. You need to look into the Rotheschilds and their agendas. They do exist and they are a real banking force in the world. Although my friends are Sephardic jews in origin, they are cool friends to hang out with. They are not Ashkenazi jews.

nullzero · 02-12-2018 4:19pm

markodaly wrote: »

No, my belief is actually a fact. Two planes hit the twin towers and brought them down. OBL and Al Qeuda were behind it, not some dark shadow government. The latter is a belief, just like Santa Claus, know the difference.

There are differing opinions on that point, so it is your belief.
Also I see you sidestepped the point I made about your lack of manners, by being condescending once again. How are things up on that ivory tower of yours?

skooterblue2 · 02-12-2018 4:28pm

markodaly wrote: »

Christ, this argument again. Just because you find it hard to believe that it fell from the debris of the WTC, does not mean that it was felled by explosives as part of some black ops. It makes no sense at all.

Well the 9/11 truth commision found from FEMA investigators that they had no clue either.

"The specifics of the fires in WTC 7 and how they caused the building to collapse remain unknown at this time. Although the total diesel fuel on the premises contained massive potential energy, the best hypothesis has only a low probability of occurrence. Further research, investigation, and analyses are needed to resolve this issue."

i.e. We havent a clue or we arent telling.

If FEMA cant work it out with paid engineers who are supposedly tops in their fields then who else can work it out? Beyoncé?

Galwayguy35 · 02-12-2018 4:36pm

He seemed like a decent enough skin and kept kept his fly shut unlike the guy who replaced him.

markodaly · 03-12-2018 11:51am

nullzero wrote: »

There are differing opinions on that point, so it is your belief.

There is also differing opinion on whether the earth is flat or round, despite being no evidence of the former. A belief based on fact is not the same as a belief based on nothing than mere emotion. Know the difference.

nullzero · 03-12-2018 12:17pm

markodaly wrote: »

There is also differing opinion on whether the earth is flat or round, despite being no evidence of the former. A belief based on fact is not the same as a belief based on nothing than mere emotion. Know the difference.

There are engineers who dispute the official version of the 9-11 story, qualified people who aren't working off of emotion.
Comparing this to flat earth theory isn't rational and is another example of your inability to have a discussion with somebody without being condescending and insulting, as is your statement "know the difference".
I've seen you on other threads acting exactly the same way, you appear incapable of accepting other people's right to hold differing opinions and you express that by being coarse and abusive.

Laois_Man · 03-12-2018 12:29pm

Galwayguy35 wrote: »

He seemed like a decent enough skin and kept kept his fly shut unlike the guy who replaced him.

Are you sure about that?

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-41766987

ohnonotgmail · 03-12-2018 1:20pm

Laois_Man wrote: »

Are you sure about that?

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-41766987

Not quite in the same league as Bill.

ELM327 · 03-12-2018 1:22pm

He was never going to get a second term when he reneged on the "no new taxes" claim.

RIP

markodaly · 03-12-2018 1:54pm

nullzero wrote: »

There are engineers who dispute the official version of the 9-11 story, qualified people who aren't working off of emotion.

They may dispute it all they want but unless there are actual hard proof and a credible evidence-based alternative proven theory, then its just that, a belief.

You are free to hold whatever view you want, but I am also free to call those views stupid in return. Them the breaks. There is a forum on boards.ie for cranks and kooks to peddle their conspiracy theories day and night.

No one is stopping you from posting there. However, if you think you can peddle the same nonsense out in the open without people calling you out on it, well you are going to be sorely disappointed.

tuxy · 03-12-2018 1:59pm

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

Not quite in the same league as Bill.

Because it was consensual with Bill?

nullzero · 03-12-2018 2:03pm

markodaly wrote: »

They may dispute it all they want but unless there are actual hard proof and a credible evidence-based alternative proven theory, then its just that, a belief.

You are free to hold whatever view you want, but I am also free to call those views stupid in return. Them the breaks. There is a forum on boards.ie for cranks and kooks to peddle their conspiracy theories day and night.

No one is stopping you from posting there. However, if you think you can peddle the same nonsense out in the open without people calling you out on it, well you are going to be sorely disappointed.

The only difference between the official story and the differing opinions is that the official story has the stamp of official on it.
A number of members of the 9-11 commission stated that they were not allowed to carry out their duties properly after the report was published.
This is not supposition or simple fantastical whimsy.

You are free to call anything you want stupid, but it only further highlights your inability to have a conversation on this site without descending into insults which says more about you than anyone else.

I'm posting here and will continue to do so until I'm told otherwise by the site staff.
I'm being respectful of other people's opinions (I've noted that people are unlikely to agree on this issue a few days ago), but you feel entitled to be as belligerent and insulting as you want, we'll that's not how discussions work.
If people want to discuss topics on the conspiracy forum that's their right, you don't have the right to label them cranks and kooks, even if you don't like what they're saying. You should be ashamed of yourself but I'm assuming you're actually quite proud of your behaviour.

ohnonotgmail · 03-12-2018 2:03pm

tuxy wrote: »

Because it was consensual with Bill?

because it was a 90 year old man in a wheelchair who didnt intend anything sexual.

tuxy · 03-12-2018 2:08pm

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

because it was a 90 year old man in a wheelchair who didnt intend anything sexual.

Are you sure?

We were told that Bush had, during a photo opp, groped her and told her that his favourite magician was “David Cop-a-Feel” while fondling her.

ohnonotgmail · 03-12-2018 2:19pm

tuxy wrote: »

Are you sure?

groped. Fondled. Words used by the story writer not by the women themselves. I'm not excusing what he did but to describe it as sexual assault is a little bit much.

Grayson · 03-12-2018 3:25pm

Laois_Man wrote: »

Are you sure about that?

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-41766987

My mum used to be a geriatric nurse. And she said that you'd always find randy old men. Guys just groping away.

I wonder if there's something about old age, dementia etc, which makes this kind of behaviour more likely. Or were they like that their whole lives and just continued?

Neyite · 03-12-2018 4:05pm

Grayson wrote: »

I wonder if there's something about old age, dementia etc, which makes this kind of behaviour more likely. Or were they like that their whole lives and just continued?

Certain medicines can increase friskiness, such as some for dementia and Parkinsons. Then there's the old fashioned attitudes some old men might still have towards women, and lastly, if they are of a gropey mindset, they probably think that nobody will be bothered to prosecute a really old man in a wheelchair so are emboldened to feel up anyone unfortunately in the vicinity of their wheelchair.

Galwayguy35 · 03-12-2018 5:23pm

Laois_Man wrote: »

Are you sure about that?

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-41766987

Spare me.

Yeah I can see how that would be the same as Bill taking out his cock in front of women working in the White house and hopping on anything with a pulse.

93 year olds in a wheelchair are very dangerous all right.

Obvious Desperate Breakfasts · 03-12-2018 5:41pm

Never knew he had a daughter who died of leukaemia. How sad.

James Brown · 03-12-2018 7:00pm

This guff and his son the war criminal on Ellen. Trump really has set the bar low with the Bushes being seen as decent or reasonable in comparison.

ceadaoin. · 03-12-2018 7:49pm

Grayson wrote: »

My mum used to be a geriatric nurse. And she said that you'd always find randy old men. Guys just groping away.

I wonder if there's something about old age, dementia etc, which makes this kind of behaviour more likely. Or were they like that their whole lives and just continued?

Inappropriate sexual behaviour is common in people with dementia. I've read that it could be one of the early warning signs that something is wrong if someone suddenly starts acting in that way when they weren't like that before.

tuxy · 03-12-2018 10:19pm

Matt Barrett wrote: »

This guff and his son the war criminal on Ellen. Trump really has set the bar low with the Bushes being seen as decent or reasonable in comparison.

You leave W alone, all the poor man wants to do is draw paintings of his dogs.

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Adorable

RobbingBandit · 03-12-2018 11:04pm

9/11 conspiracies I'd say you're barking up the wrong Bush

markodaly · 03-12-2018 11:16pm

nullzero wrote: »

The only difference between the official story and the differing opinions is that the official story has the stamp of official on it.

This is what cranks and kooks say all the time, that they claim those in authority and with the expertise to carry out an investigation is merely the mouthpiece of some conspiracy or something.

Again, to repeat. Having someone disagree with the official version of events does not give them an equal share of expertise or knowledge on the subject matter as those experts who took part in the investigation. The latter are subject to public oversight and congressional hearings, while the kooks and cranks can spin their web of deceit and lies in the shadows and are not subject to the same oversight.

I'm posting here and will continue to do so until I'm told otherwise by the site staff.

Grand, never told you otherwise. You are free to continue to post here and spin your 9/11 conspiracy theories all you want but I will call you out on it.
For one to prevent the more gullible to be sucked into some easy zeitgeist narrative not to mind it being disrespectful to the 3,000 people that died that day.

you don't have the right to label them cranks and kooks,.

Oh but I do. I'll call a spade a spade. If people believe in a flat earth, or lizard people or 9/11 black ops, none of which has any evidence to back it up, ill call them cranks and kooks because that is what they are.

Not all opinions are equal or have to be respected. You have the right to have them or say it, but to respect it is a different matter.

What you are essentially saying is that you have the right to voice an opinion and NOT be challenged on it. It doesn't work that way.

nullzero · 04-12-2018 8:15am

markodaly wrote: »

This is what cranks and kooks say all the time, that they claim those in authority and with the expertise to carry out an investigation is merely the mouthpiece of some conspiracy or something.

Again, to repeat. Having someone disagree with the official version of events does not give them an equal share of expertise or knowledge on the subject matter as those experts who took part in the investigation. The latter are subject to public oversight and congressional hearings, while the kooks and cranks can spin their web of deceit and lies in the shadows and are not subject to the same oversight.

Grand, never told you otherwise. You are free to continue to post here and spin your 9/11 conspiracy theories all you want but I will call you out on it.
For one to prevent the more gullible to be sucked into some easy zeitgeist narrative not to mind it being disrespectful to the 3,000 people that died that day.

Oh but I do. I'll call a spade a spade. If people believe in a flat earth, or lizard people or 9/11 black ops, none of which has any evidence to back it up, ill call them cranks and kooks because that is what they are.

Not all opinions are equal or have to be respected. You have the right to have them or say it, but to respect it is a different matter.

What you are essentially saying is that you have the right to voice an opinion and NOT be challenged on it. It doesn't work that way.

I'm not suggesting for a second that I shouldn't be challenged on what I'm saying, my issue is that you are incapable of accepting differing opinions, and more to the point the fact that you use childish insults to belittle people.

The thing about 9-11 is that there is evidence to suggest that the official story isn't correct. That evidence is dismissed out of hand and to people such as yourself that makes it "stupid" etc.

What you've said about not needing to respect certain opinions is fine, but you show a complete lack of respect to the person at the same time which is the issue I take with you personally, you're free to disagree but you really need to accept that opinions you find outlandish exist and that people have the right to hold them and by extension you don't have the inherit right to be insulting towards them as a result.

As for the pulling on the heart strings bit about being disrespectful towards the victims can I remind you that there wasn't going to be a 9-11 commission until the relatives of those victims demanded it?
I'm assuming there are a lot of things about this issue you are ignorant of as a lot of people are. The oversight you speak of was laughable, Bush and cheney giving evidence behind closed doors which was never recorded, complete oversight, so incredibly transparent.
You think you have your ducks in a row and you're showing me up, you patently have no idea what you're talking about and you're being condescending at the same time we'll done, bravo.

markodaly · 04-12-2018 11:06am

nullzero wrote: »

The thing about 9-11 is that there is evidence to suggest that the official story isn't correct.

What is this 'evidence'?

nullzero · 04-12-2018 11:12am

markodaly wrote: »

What is this 'evidence'?

Go to YouTube and search for architects and engineers for 9-11 truth.
Highly qualified cranks and kooks, what would they know?

ohnonotgmail · 04-12-2018 11:16am

nullzero wrote: »

Go to YouTube and search for architects and engineers for 9-11 truth.
Highly qualified cranks and kooks, what would they know?

Jet fuel cannot melt steel beams. Am i doing it right?

nullzero · 04-12-2018 11:20am

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

Jet fuel cannot melt steel beams. Am i doing it right?

You got me. Every high rise that's burned for less than two hours in history has collapsed, silly me.

rossie1977 · 04-12-2018 12:23pm

nullzero wrote: »

You got me. Every high rise that's burned for less than two hours in history has collapsed, silly me.

How many have been hit 80 ton planes travelling at 400mph first?

markodaly · 04-12-2018 12:23pm

nullzero wrote: »

Go to YouTube and search for architects and engineers for 9-11 truth.
Highly qualified cranks and kooks, what would they know?

Ah, a youtube video. Great 'evidence' there. I am sure its been peer-reviewed by the most vaunted engineering journals.

So, no evidence then, like I suspected. If the best you have is a youtube video, then I am afraid I will have to stick to the proven turn of events.

The mere fact that you don't think that the towers collapsed solely due to the planes that flew into them means in my book you join the cranks and kooks category. I guess it must have been all that explosives that were rigged all over the place, yet no one has a shred of proof these explosives existed..... funny that.

markodaly · 04-12-2018 12:24pm

rossie1977 wrote: »

How many have been hit 80 ton planes travelling at 400mph first?

Full of tens of thousands of gallons of aviation fuel mind you as well...

ohnonotgmail · 04-12-2018 12:34pm

markodaly wrote: »

Ah, a youtube video. Great 'evidence' there. I am sure its been peer-reviewed by the most vaunted engineering journals.

So, no evidence then, like I suspected. If the best you have is a youtube video, then I am afraid I will have to stick to the proven turn of events.

The mere fact that you don't think that the towers collapsed solely due to the planes that flew into them means in my book you join the cranks and kooks category. I guess it must have been all that explosives that were rigged all over the place, yet no one has a shred of proof these explosives existed..... funny that.

That is just the typical 911 truther tactic. Bombard people with endless YT videos and claim you dont understand what really happened until you do. What makes it worse is that the videos are usually terribly made and very low on facts.

nullzero · 04-12-2018 12:37pm

markodaly wrote: »

Ah, a youtube video. Great 'evidence' there. I am sure its been peer-reviewed by the most vaunted engineering journals.

So, no evidence then, like I suspected. If the best you have is a youtube video, then I am afraid I will have to stick to the proven turn of events.

The mere fact that you don't think that the towers collapsed solely due to the planes that flew into them means in my book you join the cranks and kooks category. I guess it must have been all that explosives that were rigged all over the place, yet no one has a shred of proof these explosives existed..... funny that.

The response I expected, highly qualified people = no proof.

Tower 7 collapsed having not being hit by a plane with minimal fire damage but I'm sure the "official turn of events" on that is peer reviewed enough to satisfy you.

In my book you join the ostrich category, but that's your right.

There is probable cause from the Islamic terrorists to have carried out the attacks no doubt, but they are intrinsically linked to American intelligence agencies, they're from Saudi Arabia funded by people connected to the Bush family and the incident resulted in the foundation for continued military spending and crucially arms manufacturing and sales.
It's not pleasant to think that American intelligence agencies could be complicit in 9-11 but these people regularly involve themselves in death and destruction all over the world, why would they develop a conscience when it's happening on American soil?

nullzero · 04-12-2018 12:43pm

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

That is just the typical 911 truther tactic. Bombard people with endless YT videos and claim you dont understand what really happened until you do. What makes it worse is that the videos are usually terribly made and very low on facts.

What i suggested people watch is a video made by qualified engineers and architects, not some out there video about aliens crashing UFOs into the towers or some such nonsense.

If we're talking about tactics, your labelling anything you don't agree with as "low on facts" etc while I'm assuming you haven't looked at the video in question is a typical tactic of those who don't want this issue discussed.

ohnonotgmail · 04-12-2018 12:44pm

nullzero wrote: »

What i suggested people watch is a video made by qualified engineers and architects, not some out there video about aliens crashing UFOs into the towers or some such nonsense.

If we're talking about tactics, your labelling anything you don't agree with as "low on facts" etc while I'm assuming you haven't looked at the video in question is a typical tactic of those who don't want this issue discussed.

and there we have the tactics in action. You haven't watched my video so you dont know anything. Oddly enough these "facts" seemingly can only be communicated through the spoken word. Writing them down seems to be impossible.

nullzero · 04-12-2018 12:45pm

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

and there we have the tactics in action. You haven't watched my video so you dont know anything. Oddly enough these "facts" seemingly can only be communicated through the spoken word. Writing them down seems to be impossible.

Writing them down is a long process, I'm in work, I'm assuming you're a big boy who can use a search engine.

Here you go https://www.ae911truth.org
Happy reading.

rossie1977 · 04-12-2018 12:56pm

Tower 7 was hit by debris falling 1,500 feet from two 110 storey buildings. It had a giant hole in the middle of the building facing the wtc towers which obviously wasn't visible on the backside of the building where all the video from 9/11 was shot.

The structural integrity of tower 7 was completely compromised even without any fire. The towers of the World Financial Center, across the highway from the WTC never experienced fire and were nowhere near as badly damaged by falling debris as tower 7 yet engineers on the day thought both were going to collapse.

tuxy · 04-12-2018 12:57pm

nullzero wrote: »

Writing them down is a long process, I'm in work, I'm assuming you're a big boy who can use a search engine.

There was a post earlier criticising someone for being condescending. I think you should take their advice.

nullzero wrote: »

There are differing opinions on that point, so it is your belief.
Also I see you sidestepped the point I made about your lack of manners, by being condescending once again. How are things up on that ivory tower of yours?

nullzero · 04-12-2018 12:59pm

tuxy wrote: »

There was a post earlier criticising someone for being condescending. I think you should take their advice.

It isn't condescending to state something obvious to somebody who has been openly aggressive towards you.

Basically the other boy hit me first.

ohnonotgmail · 04-12-2018 1:00pm

nullzero wrote: »

It isn't condescending to state something obvious to somebody who has been openly aggressive towards you.

Basically the other boy hit me first.

And here we go with tactic number 2. Claim victim status.

nullzero · 04-12-2018 1:04pm

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

And here we go with tactic number 2. Claim victim status.

Jesus would you stop.
I'm not claiming to be a victim, I'm just giving as good as I get.
Get over yourself.
The point I made was that respect is a two way street, you showed me no respect so why should you expect it in return?

Laois_Man · 04-12-2018 1:04pm

Galwayguy35 wrote: »

Spare me.

Yeah I can see how that would be the same as Bill taking out his cock in front of women working in the White house and hopping on anything with a pulse.

93 year olds in a wheelchair are very dangerous all right.

You spare me!
Anything Bill did was with a consenting adult!
And you don't know GHWB only started this when he was 90 - I wouldn't be surprised if more comes out once the hero worshiping phase of the news cycle caused by his death abates

ohnonotgmail · 04-12-2018 1:05pm

nullzero wrote: »

Jesus would you stop.
I'm not claiming to be a victim, I'm just giving as good as I get.
Get over yourself.

nullzero wrote: »

It isn't condescending to state something obvious to somebody who has been openly aggressive towards you.

Basically the other boy hit me first.

Nope, no attempt to play the victim here at all.

George H W Bush has died

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