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Junkies in city centre [MOD WARNING POST #331]

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  • #152
    HavingCrack
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    gollem_1975 wrote: »
    ha.. what would the difference be if possession was decriminalised..

    its not as if they are hiding it or being arrested for possession at the moment. isn't that the point of the thread.

    anyway loads of the "undesirables" are alcoholics.

    if you don't want to see them stay at home or out in the suburbs

    Hmmm maybe legalise drugs which would stop a lot of the street dealing in the open....not too sure...:o


  • #153
    Niche market
    Closed Accounts Posts: 62 ✭✭Niche market


    ruddellmander wrote: »
    Throw them all on Lamb-bay island to make love with the seals!!!

    Poor seals :(


  • #154
    spurious
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    1968 wrote: »
    I've heard two people making the point in the last fortnight that the disbandment of the Provisional I.R.A. in 2005 has led to a slow but steady increase in open drug dealing in Dublin City.

    Do people think this is true?

    You mean those fine upstanding heroes have to find something else to do since their political skills are no longer needed?


  • #155
    velvet5
    Closed Accounts Posts: 8 ✭velvet5


    waxon-waxoff wrote: »
    Is it just me or is there more junkies around the city centre lately. Maybe heroin has got cheaper. They are usually invisible but i seen two in the corner of car parks in the last few days. Id prefer if they stayed hidden but they are starting to shoot up in more public places and you dont want that near your home or where you park your car. Walk on a needle and it could be game over



    i reckon the gardai should round them up as soon as they see them walking around. Lock them up till the the drugs are out of their system. They are destroying the city center with their anti social behavior.


  • #156
    spider_pig
    Registered Users Posts: 1,310 ✭✭✭spider_pig


    velvet5 wrote: »
    i reckon the gardai should round them up as soon as they see them walking around. Lock them up till the the drugs are out of their system. They are destroying the city center with their anti social behavior.


    they'd need to be locked up in solitary confinement away from every one else there's prob more drugs on the inside then the outside,and noting is done to stop it in there, it keeps a lid on the place a drugged up junkie is a lot easer to handle then an out of control loonatick high on anger wanting to kill you


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  • #157
    MementoMori
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    1968 wrote: »
    I've heard two people making the point in the last fortnight that the disbandment of the Provisional I.R.A. in 2005 has led to a slow but steady increase in open drug dealing in Dublin City.

    Do people think this is true?

    I think it's pretty widely acknowledged that a certain percentage of those involved in the "armed struggle" on both sides have progressed on to involvement in full blown criminality.

    Also I think there has been a major fall off in "community policing" in certain areas.


  • #158
    Lemsiper
    Registered Users Posts: 720 ✭✭✭Lemsiper


    Birneybau wrote: »
    Cant be arsed using punctuation or correct spelling eh?

    Classic stoner antics!

    Can't be arsed contributing constructively?

    Classic troll antics I believe.

    I really don't know what can be done about the situation. There really isn't enough resources to lock up all these junkies


  • #159
    trellheim
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,966 ✭✭✭trellheim


    We have a similar thread running over in Commuting and Transport re the Red Line LUAS.

    I work on corner of Jervis and Abbey St and am exposed to it daily.

    There is a particular and serious problem along various places on Abbey St, including both the LUAS stations.

    From the Abbey Theatre to Eden Quay is bad as well, especially the back streets and alleys there where all sorts of dealing goes on.

    Go into any shop around Abbey St LUAS , any of the spars and you will see a siege mentality - one of them keeps the sugars for the coffee behind the counter because the junkies just walk in and take them.

    Worst I think is the pound store behind Abbey St LUAS, the poor staff in there , it has the look of the Alamo sometimes.

    O'Connell St is a troublefree Parisian Boulevard in comparison. No messing.


  • #160
    arybvtcw0eolkf
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    Lemsiper wrote: »
    Can't be arsed contributing constructively?

    Classic troll antics I believe.

    STFU.


  • #161
    Hank_Jones
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    I certainly don't think legalising drugs is the answer, especially when the main drugs in question here is heroin.

    So it basically sounds like some people here are calling for the legalisation of heroin...


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  • #162
    arybvtcw0eolkf
    Closed Accounts Posts: 24,878 ✭✭✭✭arybvtcw0eolkf


    Lads can we avoid going down the legalizing drugs debate please or we'll have every bleed'n hippy on boards with an agenda in the thread.


  • #163
    evercloserunion
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    spider_pig wrote: »
    they'd need to be locked up in solitary confinement away from every one else there's prob more drugs on the inside then the outside,and noting is done to stop it in there, it keeps a lid on the place a drugged up junkie is a lot easer to handle then an out of control loonatick high on anger wanting to kill you
    Also if you cut off the drug flow to w wing of a prison, when all the junkies get desparate at the same time you'll get riots, I think it's happened before.


  • #164
    evercloserunion
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    Darius Stocky Tulip wrote: »
    Lads can we avoid going down the legalizing drugs debate please or we'll have every bleed'n hippy on boards with an agenda in the thread.
    I think Israel is to blame...


  • #165
    arybvtcw0eolkf
    Closed Accounts Posts: 24,878 ✭✭✭✭arybvtcw0eolkf


    evercloserunion wrote: »
    I think Israel is to blame...

    And I think I'll flex my muscles & issue you a yellow card warning.

    Shalom.


  • #166
    Pace2008
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    Darius Stocky Tulip wrote: »
    Lads can we avoid going down the legalizing drugs debate please or we'll have every bleed'n hippy on boards with an agenda in the thread.
    I'll respect your wishes and refrain from derailing this rant thread, but as a hard-working, tax-paying citizen I take mild offence to being labelled a hippie because I disagree with prohibition (though I wouldn't like to see heroin outright legalised).


  • #167
    Haley Plain Bungalow
    Posts: 0 ✭ Haley Plain Bungalow


    This thread is shocking. I mean, I always said Dublin had a terrible junkie problem but some of the things on here.....toilets being left covered in blood with dirty needles in......how can the guards just turn a blind eye to this? How can so many people keep a straight face and say it's no worse than anywhere else? I don't know how Dublin has managed to go this long without this stuff getting out among tourists and travel agencies, but if it carries on like this, the tourists won't keep coming for much longer. Every single person I know who has visited in the last year has said what a dirty, drug ridden hole Dublin was and how disappointed they were.


  • #168
    Thepones
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    I have had a rant about this in the past, especially the dealing around Tara St DART, Talbot Street and Abbey St. Something happened yesterday in work that made me sick.

    I work in an office building in the area above and can be accessed through the Irish Life Mall. There is a "guard" on reception but they can go walk-about and all and sundry can make there way up the stairs / lift and knock on our door without anyone informing us they are coming. However you need a pass to get in to our actual office. Our toilets are by the lift on our floor so you dont need a pass to get in there.

    I went in to use the jacks and i could hear someone singing / humming away in the cubicle. I though it might be someone from the office (the office joker ya know!). When i went back into the office i noticed all the guys were at their desks. I asked whoever went in next to let me know if they were still there, I thought it might be just be security guard using our toilet. 40 mins later I was told the person was still there so i went in and asked who was in there through the door. Some guy barrelled out - off his head. He started going on about them charging to use the toilet etc etc. And i think he mentioned something about someone stealing his glove. I showed him down the stairs and told him to leave the building or i was calling the guards.

    When i went back into the toilet to check what he was up to, i saw he had left his blood splattered on the seat and walls from shooting up. This is the worst of a long and ever growing list of incidents i see on a weekly basis by just walking to and being in work.

    I know there are tons upon tons of factors that restrict this from changing but, surely something can be done! People just seems to take it as a given that this is the problem and there is no solution.


  • #169
    arybvtcw0eolkf
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    Pace2008 wrote: »
    I'll respect your wishes and refrain from derailing this rant thread, but as a hard-working, tax-paying citizen I take mild offence to being labelled a hippie because I disagree with prohibition (though I wouldn't like to see heroin outright legalised).

    Thanks, and stop being so damned thin skinned!.


  • #170
    Degsy
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    A bloke was found unconcious in the public toilets where i work a while back,they're the only toilets for the visitors going to see the book of kells so they can be quite difficult to keep an eye on.
    Anyway,bloke is a found on the floor of acubicle with the syringe sticking out of his arm..the area is closed off,ambulance is called and paramedics arrive.
    They spend about 20 minutes trying to jump start his heart and eventually manage to bring him around,they then take him off to hosital.
    Within an hour of arriving there he pulls the same trick..goes off somewhere,shoots up and dies..dead as a doornail...so after all the medical care that was tied up in order to save him the selfish cnunt goes and tops himself anyway.


  • #171
    arybvtcw0eolkf
    Closed Accounts Posts: 24,878 ✭✭✭✭arybvtcw0eolkf


    Degsy wrote: »
    A bloke was found unconcious in the public toilets where i work a while back,they're the only toilets for the visitors going to see the book of kells so they can be quite difficult to keep an eye on.
    Anyway,bloke is a found on the floor of acubicle with the syringe sticking out of his arm..the area is closed off,ambulance is called and paramedics arrive.
    They spend about 20 minutes trying to jump start his heart and eventually manage to bring him around,they then take him off to hosital.
    Within an hour of arriving there he pulls the same trick..goes off somewhere,shoots up and dies..dead as a doornail...so after all the medical care that was tied up in order to save him the selfish cnunt goes and tops himself anyway.

    If at first you don't succeed.... :pac:


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  • #172
    Degsy
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 16,397 ✭✭✭✭Degsy


    Darius Stocky Tulip wrote: »
    If at first you don't succeed.... :pac:

    Much like Richard Hammond..he got destroyed on Top Gear!


  • #173
    Haley Plain Bungalow
    Posts: 0 ✭ Haley Plain Bungalow


    Degsy wrote: »
    A bloke was found unconcious in the public toilets where i work a while back,they're the only toilets for the visitors going to see the book of kells so they can be quite difficult to keep an eye on.
    Anyway,bloke is a found on the floor of acubicle with the syringe sticking out of his arm..the area is closed off,ambulance is called and paramedics arrive.
    They spend about 20 minutes trying to jump start his heart and eventually manage to bring him around,they then take him off to hosital.
    Within an hour of arriving there he pulls the same trick..goes off somewhere,shoots up and dies..dead as a doornail...so after all the medical care that was tied up in order to save him the selfish cnunt goes and tops himself anyway.

    Oh well, he would have cost the state even more if he'd survived.


  • #174
    arybvtcw0eolkf
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    All joking aside, and I'm guilty of it myself. But the lad was someone's father/brother or son.

    One poignant reminder to the scourge of drugs in Dublin is the now annual Christmas tree in Sean Mac St. and the cards in the shape of star's and angels marking the death of a loved one to drugs.


  • #175
    Wolfe Tone
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    1968 wrote: »
    I've heard two people making the point in the last fortnight that the disbandment of the Provisional I.R.A. in 2005 has led to a slow but steady increase in open drug dealing in Dublin City.

    Do people think this is true?
    I do not believe that to be true. Just ask what happened to drug dealers in "community policed" areas.


  • #176
    starviewadams
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,116 ✭✭✭starviewadams


    There doesn't seem to be any sort of solution to the problem other then legalizing heroin use as much as it pains me to say it.The Gardai obviously are not able to enforce the law due to a lack of resources and legislation.

    I recall seeing a documentary about the same problem's that were occurring in Sweden,the government there devised a scheme where all registered addicts were given free copies of a magazine somewhat akin to the big issue and were allowed to sell it in tourist areas,they then procured heroin off their dealer etc and were allowed to inject in a state sponsored clinic where a nurse and doctor were present and clean syringes etc were available and detox information etc.

    It worked out that paying for such facilities was cheaper then prosecuting and imprisoning addicts and also led to a reduction in petty crime and the spread of HIV and Hepatitis C.

    Surely it's obvious now that we will never win the so called ''war on drugs'' so maybe this is the only option left.


  • #177
    Provisionally
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    MementoMori wrote: »
    I think it's pretty widely acknowledged that a certain percentage of those involved in the "armed struggle" on both sides have progressed on to involvement in full blown criminality.

    Also I think there has been a major fall off in "community policing" in certain areas.

    Are you suggesting the IRA is involved in drugs?


  • #178
    Provisionally
    Closed Accounts Posts: 21 ✭Provisionally


    1968 wrote: »
    I've heard two people making the point in the last fortnight that the disbandment of the Provisional I.R.A. in 2005 has led to a slow but steady increase in open drug dealing in Dublin City.

    Do people think this is true?

    The Provisional IRA disbanded in 2005 did it?


  • #179
    artanevilla
    Moderators, Education Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 10,796 Mod ✭✭✭✭artanevilla


    They've never disbanded, they've stopped armed campaigns.


  • #180
    Lahm
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    Is it safe to walk in the city centre after 9pm on your own?


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  • #181
    spurious
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    Lahm wrote: »
    Is it safe to walk in the city centre after 9pm on your own?
    Yes.


  • #182
    arybvtcw0eolkf
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    spurious wrote: »
    Yes.

    +1.

    But having said that I'm 6'3'' and nearly 20 stone :D


  • #183
    spider_pig
    Registered Users Posts: 1,310 ✭✭✭spider_pig


    +1 doesnt seem to be as many junkies in town later on in the day as there all in homeless hostels and such where you have to be in at a certain time,
    your more likely to come across drunks and club goer's acting the magit late at night in town


  • #184
    Wolfe Tone
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    Darius Stocky Tulip wrote: »
    +1.

    But having said that I'm 6'3'' and nearly 20 stone :D
    Tempted to say "fat bastard" but I have a feeling you aint, and would lead to an ass kicking :(


  • #185
    scorpioishere
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    I don't have any problem with them. I actually like them. At least some of them are polite and better than the rude and bitchy commuters i have to face every day.


  • #186
    Wolfe Tone
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    artanevilla wrote: »
    They've never disbanded, they've stopped armed campaigns.
    You cant blame the PIRA for the increase in drugs.


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  • #187
    Lahm
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    MUSSOLINI wrote: »
    Tempted to say "fat bastard" but I have a feeling you aint, and would lead to an ass kicking :(


    Suggests he's overweight here:

    http://www.kelloggs.ie/health/tools/bmicalculator.aspx


    Junkies could easily outrun him.


  • #188
    evercloserunion
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    Darius Stocky Tulip wrote: »
    +1.

    But having said that I'm 6'3'' and nearly 20 stone :D
    +1 also, and I am nothing of the sort. As long as you watch yourself it's not particularly dangerous.


  • #189
    jptk
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    evercloserunion wrote: »
    +1 also, and I am nothing of the sort. As long as you watch yourself it's not particularly dangerous.

    Not that safe if you have to watch yourself. How safe a person is in the city depends on who they are/what they look like etc etc and timing.


  • #190
    spider_pig
    Registered Users Posts: 1,310 ✭✭✭spider_pig


    threads kinda goin off topic here its turning into a how safe is town at night thread :pac:


  • #191
    Toe Twister
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    There's a good article here about recent Garda operations pushing junkies into the city centre and tourist hotspots.
    There appears to be little if any interest at government level in the blight of heroin in Dublin city centre or of the picture being portrayed to the hundreds of thousands of tourists who visit the city. Aside from moving the street dealing into the centre, the city council and Department of Health have also located most of the big heroin treatment centres in an around the city centre.

    Other European cities situate their treatment centres and surgeries for addicts away from their tourist and retail centres. Strict policing also ensures that most urban tourist centres in European cities are safe.
    I know some of them haven't had the best start in life, but these 'hard life' stories have a use by date. If they're making a good effort with treatment fair enough, but if they're spending their days doing nothing else but hanging around the city centre causing trouble they should have their dole cut.


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  • #192
    Degsy
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    Toe Twister wrote: »
    There's a good article here about recent Garda operations pushing junkies into the city centre and tourist hotspots.

    I know some of them haven't had the best start in life, but these 'hard life' stories have a use by date. If they're making a good effort with treatment fair enough, but if they're spending their days doing nothing else but hanging around the city centre causing trouble they should have their dole cut.


    Read this thread..the cops plainly dont give a shiite about whats going on..there's nothing but excuses tinged with what sounds suspiciously like lazyness.


  • #193
    Wolfe Tone
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    Degsy wrote: »
    Read this thread..the cops plainly dont give a shiite about whats going on..there's nothing but excuses tinged with what sounds suspiciously like lazyness.
    Bigger fish to fry seems to be the vibe.... Disgusting.


  • #194
    spider_pig
    Registered Users Posts: 1,310 ✭✭✭spider_pig


    down rite laziness iv often seen gangs a people at the corner of that spar there and gaurds walking up from store street prob just after clocking on and just walk straight by open dealing not batting an eye lid
    id say there too lazy and turn a blind eye dont want to be heading back down the station after clocking on so the dealers get away with it i see this happening on a regular basis

    they dont give a **** in that station i had a moped stolen few year back brand new only had it a year stolen from rite beside the spire went straight to store street and noting done about it no cameras checked noting they just dont care


  • #195
    Toe Twister
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    Degsy wrote: »
    Read this thread..the cops plainly dont give a shiite about whats going on..there's nothing but excuses tinged with what sounds suspiciously like lazyness.

    Bloody hell - if they all started hanging around somewhere like Blackrock it'd get sorted out soon enough. When it's Dublin 1 things seem to get very complicated all of a sudden...


  • #196
    spider_pig
    Registered Users Posts: 1,310 ✭✭✭spider_pig


    scorpioishere wrote: »
    I don't have any problem with them. I actually like them. At least some of them are polite and better than the rude and bitchy commuters i have to face every day.

    who junkies...?


  • #197
    Degsy
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 16,397 ✭✭✭✭Degsy


    Wentto have ascope round the usual junkie haunts today and guess what i saw...


  • #198
    bugler
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    But was it any quieter in terms of dealing, Degsy?

    The Sindo article may have been the final nudge the government/Gardai needed to act like they give a sh1t, at least until things die down.


  • #199
    Degsy
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 16,397 ✭✭✭✭Degsy


    bugler wrote: »
    But was it any quieter in terms of dealing, Degsy?

    The Sindo article may have been the final nudge the government/Gardai needed to act like they give a sh1t, at least until things die down.

    Got alink to the sindo article?

    There were no junkies in the vicinity of the abbey or the boardwalk..from what i've heard though,they all hopped on the luas and headed off somewhere else.


  • #200
    the_monkey
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    waxon-waxoff wrote: »
    Is it just me or is there more junkies around the city centre lately. Maybe heroin has got cheaper. They are usually invisible but i seen two in the corner of car parks in the last few days. Id prefer if they stayed hidden but they are starting to shoot up in more public places and you dont want that near your home or where you park your car. Walk on a needle and it could be game over

    Yeah I think it has gotten a lot worse, I am home for a few weeks and
    have noticed a lote more, esp around talbot st/henry st as someone mentioned. Also the boardwalk along the liffey is a no go area ... shame .


    As regards walking on a needle , i wouldn-t worry - its hardly gonna pierce your shoes, + the HIV virus dies very quickly outside the body so there more dangerous things to worry about - like getting mugged by one of the cnuts.


  • #201
    spider_pig
    Registered Users Posts: 1,310 ✭✭✭spider_pig


    Degsy wrote: »
    Got alink to the sindo article?

    .

    here ya go degsy http://www.independent.ie/national-news/junkies-and-dealers-being-pushed-into-tourist-hotspots-2288935.html


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