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Never played Warcraft. Should I dare?

  • 02-12-2007 2:44am
    #1
    hamster
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,766 ✭✭✭hamster


    Right, should I risk kissing my life away this christmas with this? I know the lark here as I did dapple with Ultima Online years ago. I reckon I will have a month free. :D


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  • #2
    Khalid Shallow Pedestrian
    Posts: 0 CMod ✭✭✭✭ Khalid Shallow Pedestrian


    Of course you should! It's brilliant.

    and play Horde side, the allies are useless :D


  • #3
    hamster
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,766 ✭✭✭hamster


    bluewolf wrote: »
    Of course you should! It's brilliant.

    and play Horde side, the allies are useless :D

    Interesting... so it's divided ala - original warcraft trolls/orcs vs humans(elves+ so on)? Can you switch sides or even play spy on a fifth column in enemy territory? Know I could google it but its always fun to hear it from someone who has played. :D


  • #4
    Khalid Shallow Pedestrian
    Posts: 0 CMod ✭✭✭✭ Khalid Shallow Pedestrian


    hamster wrote: »
    Interesting... so it's divided ala - original warcraft trolls/orcs vs humans(elves+ so on)? Can you switch sides or even play spy on a fifth column in enemy territory? Know I could google it but its always fun to hear it from someone who has played. :D

    Nah, once you pick a faction on a server that's where you stay, on that server
    You can pvp and clash with them or pve and ignore them or a bit of both


  • #5
    EL_Loco
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 901 ✭✭✭EL_Loco


    a month ;)

    sure you'll be up to such a point as to say "well if I stop now it'll be a month of progress down the jax" so you'll keep playing. oh yes.

    god, I'm at the point of using the parental controls feature on myself. ;)


  • #6
    Dr Bob
    Moderators, Computer Games Moderators Posts: 3,184 Mod ✭✭✭✭Dr Bob


    bluewolf wrote: »
    Of course you should! It's brilliant.

    and play Alliance side, the Horde are played mainly by angry 12 year olds :D
    Fixed;)

    Theres 2 main types of Server - PVE or PVP(there's also Role playing servers as well but I'm not going into them)
    Theres pros and Cons to both:
    If you pick a PVP server , other than a few safe areas , you're open to attack from the opposing side , which is fun when you're setup towards PVP , or on for a bit of mass warfare , but a pain in the h()le when yo're trying to get some quests done , and you're being attacked by someone 10+ levels highre than you , continually.
    PVE only allows you to fight another player in specific areas, its a lot "safer" than PVP , but apparantly its not as exciting.plus you cant move a character created on a PVE server to a PVP one , whereas a PVP character can get a (paid) transfer anywhere.


    I'm in an Alliance guild in Mazrigos(which is PVP) called Ronin ,which is made up of a fair few Irish/uk/swedish bods.
    Theres a lot of guys on the forums here who are in Irish guilds too on various different servers (mostly horde),


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  • #7
    layke
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,956 ✭✭✭layke


    As much as people like to sell the idea PvP servers are better then PvE it's just not true. Personally I prefer not being hacked up by some level 70 while i'm trying to quest. If I want to do PvP there's always the battleground. You can still go out ganking if you like on a PvE server, just in a few less areas.

    In fairness, there's FA difference between the two imo. You'll find more 14 ear olds on a PvP tho.


  • #8
    Dcully
    Moderators, Computer Games Moderators Posts: 14,715 Mod ✭✭✭✭Dcully


    Ive always played on a pvp realm but have transferred all bar one char to a pve realm over the past 6 months and do not regret getting away from the tards.
    The only char i left on pvp is my 70 rogue whom i never play and am totally bored of.

    As Layke says you tend to find the kids on pvp realms.
    When i transferred i was instantly surprised at the more mature players on pve,i always thought it was a myth but trust me its not.

    Ive got my alliance chars in a nice adult guild on Kilrogg and my Hordies on Agrammar [only recently transferred these guys so not looked for guild yet].

    I did enjoy levelling up my first chars on pvp but that was in the first year of release and i soon tired of ganking and been ganked.

    To me battlegrounds is a snoozefest where as i love instances and raids hence pve realsm are my choice the past 2 years or so.

    Neither pvp or pve is better than the other,it just comes down to personal choice i feel.


  • #9
    hamster
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,766 ✭✭✭hamster


    Well lads I bought it today and will install on the 22nd dec. Ye won't see me again! :D

    I wish to do some coop questin' and avoid the pvp server model for now. OK, so the dynamics of a real war will be missed - but I'd like to try the quest side of things first.

    Is GuildWars any good? It's free to play online but hasn't received as much press obviously.


  • #10
    Jumpy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,606 ✭✭✭Jumpy


    hamster wrote: »
    Well lads I bought it today and will install on the 22nd dec. Ye won't see me again! :D

    I wish to do some coop questin' and avoid the pvp server model for now. OK, so the dynamics of a real war will be missed - but I'd like to try the quest side of things first.

    Is GuildWars any good? It's free to play online but hasn't received as much press obviously.

    Do NOT go PVE at the start. PVE is boring as hell. PVP adds spice to it. You cant move from PVE to PVP without restarting your character. Trust me.

    PVP.


  • #11
    Ivan
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,560 ✭✭✭Ivan


    Here we go again...

    Just to nip this in the butt... the chances of you seeing another player between level 1 and 55, let alone another player of the opposing faction between the same level range is very slim...

    However, the odds of you just barely getting away from a big bunch of NPC's 1-2 levels higher than you, sitting down to eat/drink only to half some rogue come and gank you is surprisingly quite high :p


    In addition, the only time you really notice a difference between a PvP server and a PvE server is when you are prowling around STV looking for people to gank, or when you are gathering outside an instance waiting to raid and a massive **** stirring contest starts. And trust me, that is only have as fun as previously advertised.

    Pick whichever server you want, especially if it has people on it that you want to join... but dont pick a server type because some random chap on boards tells you its boring as hell otherwise.


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  • #12
    hamster
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,766 ✭✭✭hamster


    So better to go on a PvP server then - assuming the odds of getting your daily quest smashed at a critical moment is not too high? Might swing me in favor of PvP - as it is a war afterall. Like to interact as well too though.


  • #13
    Kenny_D
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,204 ✭✭✭Kenny_D


    If you're getting ganked all the time does that mean your repair bills are always high? Or does pvp fighting not damage gear similar to how pvp is handled on a PVE realm?


  • #14
    Ivan
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,560 ✭✭✭Ivan


    Dying to a player does not cause you any durability loss/repair bills. However, invariably what happens is you are fighting an NPC and then a player will come and attack you, but the NPC will be the one to finish you off. Causing you to lose durability. Either case, the biggest loss is time.

    And Hamster, I was quite happy on a PvP server for almost 2 years. It is a helluva lot of fun, but I think I was just too honourable for it all. I generally wouldnt attack someone else first unless they attacked me. Of course there was my whole druid phase which was the exception... where I spent almost the entirety of my 30's running around STV ganking everyone and anyone but especially gnome/night elf rogues ;)


  • #15
    Dr Bob
    Moderators, Computer Games Moderators Posts: 3,184 Mod ✭✭✭✭Dr Bob


    hamster wrote: »
    So better to go on a PvP server then - assuming the odds of getting your daily quest smashed at a critical moment is not too high? Might swing me in favor of PvP - as it is a war afterall. Like to interact as well too though.
    If its your first character on a PVP server , going druid mightnt be a bad idea, in that if you want to actively attack other players , with the right spec you should be ok. But if you want to avoid getting ganked , the ability to stealth(invisibilty) and the fact that opposing players show up on your map (track humanoids) are a massive bonus.I played as priest on a PVP server , and stranglegankvale was a nightmare, playing as a druid it was a breeze.
    Also a druid isnt locked down that much in their roles , depending on how you spec you can be a DPS/Tank/Healer.

    Its your call though.


  • #16
    Khalid Shallow Pedestrian
    Posts: 0 CMod ✭✭✭✭ Khalid Shallow Pedestrian


    luas_dublin wrote: »
    Fixed;)

    You must be joking! Alli barrens chat consists of "hi so who here is bi" o.O
    Ok ok it's barrens chat but still...


  • #17
    Faylum
    Registered Users Posts: 115 ✭✭Faylum


    My advise is to Join horde on Outland server, i will invite you to my guild and look after you. Plus be nice to get a few Irish people in the guild!


  • #18
    -TK^Creator
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 283 ✭✭-TK^Creator


    hamster wrote: »
    Well lads I bought it today and will install on the 22nd dec. Ye won't see me again! :D

    I'll just say install it sooner than then and then patch it i'll say theres about 4 hours of patches to download with broadband. dont want to be wasting valuable game time downloading it :p
    when u install wow i dont think u have to set up an account to patch it cos i was trying to use a freinds account and got his username and pw wrong but it started patching it anyway

    edit: hehe I am going back to wow aswell this christmas can't wait :D


  • #19
    layke
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,956 ✭✭✭layke


    Agreed, not to mention the 9 CD's you have to install first.
    On my crappy P4 2.8 it takes about 3 hours.


  • #20
    hamster
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,766 ✭✭✭hamster


    -TK^Creator wrote: »
    then patch it i'll say theres about 4 hours of patches to download with broadband

    You are kidding me right? Window XP updates take only 2 hours with 77 updates from service pack onwards (at least last year anyway). OMG!


  • #21
    AL][EN
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,236 ✭✭✭AL][EN


    yep thats about right, an out of the box verson of WoW took about 3 hours of patching for me to get going. granted my PC isnt the best in the world its 3 years old and i only have a 2MB connection but still you'll be a while patching the game before you can play it.


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  • #22
    rgfuller
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 684 ✭✭✭rgfuller


    If you have bought (or downloaded) the burning crusade expansion it contains most of the earlier patches from the original WoW install, will save an age when re-installing.
    Install WoW - Install BurningCrusade - Patch (2 smallish ones I think).
    instead of:
    Install WoW - 5+ big patches - Install BurningCrusade - Patch.


  • #23
    hamster
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,766 ✭✭✭hamster


    Wow I mean wow! :D I guess some 3rd party tool will appear for making an update iso merging all the patches (like xp's nLite tool). lol!


  • #24
    Faylum
    Registered Users Posts: 115 ✭✭Faylum


    hamster wrote: »
    You are kidding me right? Window XP updates take only 2 hours with 77 updates from service pack onwards (at least last year anyway). OMG!

    Its worth it m8, you never need your CD's again and that means no scratching and re-buying a game cause you left your pint on it.
    And the upload time is nothing compared with blitzkrieg which took 6hrs and then crashed!


  • #25
    Blowfish
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,112 ✭✭✭Blowfish


    hamster wrote: »
    Wow I mean wow! :D I guess some 3rd party tool will appear for making an update iso merging all the patches (like xp's nLite tool). lol!
    The patches stay in the WoW directory and are .exe so you can just back them up in case you need to reinstall at some point. If you know someone else who plays WoW, you can just get them to stick them on a CD for you if you don't want the hassle of downloading them.

    If you think the patching is bad, when I bought BC, the final disk wouldn't work, so I ended up having to download the whole thing from the site. :(


  • #26
    Dr Bob
    Moderators, Computer Games Moderators Posts: 3,184 Mod ✭✭✭✭Dr Bob


    Interestingly WoW is self contained within its folder - so if you backed it up to a USB hard disk (or a pen drive , but a big one as its about 8-9 gbs) you can run it from any (vaguely decent) pc simply by connecting the drive and clicking on \world of warcraft\wow.exe
    I've done this a few times in netcafes (saves you waiting for them to run patches and lets you have your own mods/addons etc).
    Also may save you having to do an install if you have any mates who already have a working copy of it installed?


  • #27
    koneko
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,304 ✭✭✭✭koneko


    Foolish muboop1, linking to copyrighted shows. Snip snip snip.


  • #28
    AL][EN
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,236 ✭✭✭AL][EN


    luas_dublin wrote: »
    Interestingly WoW is self contained within its folder - so if you backed it up to a USB hard disk (or a pen drive , but a big one as its about 8-9 gbs) you can run it from any (vaguely decent) pc simply by connecting the drive and clicking on \world of warcraft\wow.exe
    have a working copy of it installed?

    Seriously!!! that actually works!!!

    Oh oh!! theres goes me working ..... at all ....... ever again!


  • #29
    hamster
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,766 ✭✭✭hamster


    Well thats excellent - that you can do that - like those old dos days when you could zip that game folder up for later. Ahem, except on a massive scale - good that we got those 500Gb external drives eh?


  • #30
    hamster
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,766 ✭✭✭hamster


    As promised - installing wow as of now... I could have a few hours of installing ahead of me... still only on cd2 of 5 after... let's see... 15 mins.

    installing.png

    Of course any boardies looking for a new member - let me know! :)
    I haven't choosen any class/char yet of course (looking at light magic/sneaker/fighter type).

    Might get through a movie before this is done. :D


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  • #31
    hamster
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,766 ✭✭✭hamster


    ok, I see the character thread - once I'm done I add it to there.


  • #32
    tman
    Closed Accounts Posts: 16,339 ✭✭✭✭tman


    Hopefully I'm not too late to say DON'T DO IT!
    There's no denying that this game is unbelievably addictive, but at the same time it just isn't FUN. Unfortunately I'd already pissed away countless hours by the time I realised that.
    Life is short, don't waste it playing crap like WoW.


  • #33
    hamster
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,766 ✭✭✭hamster


    tman wrote: »
    Hopefully I'm not too late to say DON'T DO IT!
    There's no denying that this game is unbelievably addictive, but at the same time it just isn't FUN. Unfortunately I'd already pissed away countless hours by the time I realised that.
    Life is short, don't waste it playing crap like WoW.

    Ah sure I just have a peek says he... ;)
    installed.png
    I still have a few hours to make up my mind, by the time the patches are done.

    But tman isn't it like a nice smelling burger (could be a bad analogy that!) and then you regret afterwards? :) But it was good while you were "eating" it though? :D


  • #34
    hamster
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,766 ✭✭✭hamster


    only 128 files and 1 rather big one coming to 4.1Gb! Interesting to see how big this lot becomes after all the patches.
    wow_before_updates.png


  • #35
    hamster
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,766 ✭✭✭hamster


    Yesssss.... this could take awhile. Maybe 3 movies will do it. hmm.

    patches_bah.gif

    *edit* currently been quoted 8-12 hours on a 1Mb line and my current version is Oct 2006 (2.0.0.6080) going to 2.3 (871Mb for 1 year). Ye weren't kidding!


  • #36
    Ivan
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,560 ✭✭✭Ivan


    Despite what Tman says, the game is fun. You might feel weathered and worn and definitely disenfranchised with all MMO's after you come out the other end, but it is alot of fun in the meantime.

    That said, it will literally gobble all of your spare time and perhaps some other time that it shouldnt, unless you are very, very careful.


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  • #37
    Dregon
    Closed Accounts Posts: 276 ✭✭Dregon


    Great game, I played the 14 day free trial after my friend somehow got me to download it( I was very anti-WoW before hand).

    Was a great laugh for the 2 weeks, me and 2 of my friends would just messs about. Got to a level 16 gone mage before the 14 days were up. Luckily I had the will power to stop after that;).


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