How to wire for RJ45 in new house

mikey89ryan wrote: »

Hi everyone.

I have recently moved into a new home in which i intend to install IP cameras around along with some other things. The house came with standard RJ11 sockets spread around the house.
I have had a look behind these wall-plates and i can confirm its cat 5e cable. There are 2
cat5e cables in each wallplate bar one which is under the stairs. This seems to be an end of line. It looks like the sparkys have daisy chained each RJ11 point together. I had presumed they would be run separate and all cables would end up in the attic which isnt the case to my MAJOR frustration!.
I hope i can change these RJ11 wallplates to RJ45 wallplates. I do know i need all 4 pairs in each cable but am unsure how 2 cat5e cables are wired together in one RJ45 port, is this possible or do i need some kind of adapter??
I suppose the bigger question is, is it possible to wire for ethernet when the sparkys have just daisy chained them together and not ran them individually???.
Any help would be great thanks.!!!

ps i do not use a phone in the house nor do i intend too.

So, basically the sparky installed single line in to multi-room handset telephone wiring using modern cables. Straight out of the 1980s in terms of functionality basically. If they're all daisy-chained, I can't see how you could use them all as rj45 network access points back to a single router.

Lucky for you, there's a new technology that doesn't need wires for networking.. Its called WiFi..

Would probably horrify the proper Network techs on here but if can re-terminate them as RJ45 you could potentially daisy chain switches at each point as long as you don't create any loops. Depending on how many points you have its a lot of hops though and since they would all share the links before them you would want to be getting 1Gbps connections. It also means that any switch malfunctioning takes down all links after it in the chain. You can get 5 port Gb switches for €15-20 each.

Alternatively again assuming the cable is usable for RJ45 if you don't want to chase every point back to a central location, you could maybe do 3 new runs to every 3rd point from the central location. Use 1 run for that point and the other 2 to couple and connect the points immediately before and after in the chain, could save on the amount of chasing of walls that needs to be done.

TomOnBoard wrote: »

Nooooooo!!!!!:eek::eek:

Where would this frankenstein's monster terminate? If they're all daisy-chained, you'd simply be repeating a single port from the router throughout. Single router port = single IP address supported... Yuck!

Read what he was suggesting again, a switch at each point would give you n usable ports.

Single router port = single IP address supported... Yuck!

What? Not sure if thick or drunk.

If you need cameras then most of the time wall warts are the last place you'll want to put them, run your own cables to the eaves of the house, front door etc as required. Will cost a bit but leave you with a proper permanent solution.

TomOnBoard wrote: »

Nooooooo!!!!!:eek::eek:

Where would this frankenstein's monster terminate?... Yuck!

TomOnBoard wrote: »

****ty response! Ever heard of playing the ball and not the man?? Arrogant much???

Skipping all technical inconsistency's, i think that would be even

TomOnBoard wrote: »

Not even close! I commented on the situation the sparky created for the OP, which was an awful piece of wiring in this day and age. I characterised the daisy chained wiring of an RJ45 based network as a frankenstein idea which the OP should avoid at all costs. Granted, I failed to spot the multiple-switch proposal, and was just seeing (wrongly) a single port. At NO stage did I attack the OP. I dismissed the solution, as a genuine response to the OP's request for advice.

Normally, I'd see this kind of to & fro as a storm in a teacup. However, on this one, I have a point to make. When folks ask questions/seek advice in the Broadband forum, others (including me) offer genuine responses. Sometimes we are wrong and have no issue with flawed thinking being pointed out. However, when one poster self- appoints as some kind of supreme oracle and takes license to provide After-Hours type insults, I won't accept it.

If that's how well-intentioned assistance is treated here, I'm out! Let the Oracle rule!

We all, time-to-time, make mistakes, misread or misunderstand posts - lack of coffee or other, unknown reasons. We are human, i hope i am anyway.

To me is not clear if property was intended to be wired for network in each point, more like it was wired to allow phone at each point, with no intention for network(possible known variant). If truth - not a spark fault in that. But we wont know, unless OP confirm or denies this.

Solution suggested by dam099, as he carefully admit it, is ugly and flowed, however, it it possible solution and by the looks of it the only that does not involve rewiring. Other Q if tails are long enough to allow wire termination desired way.

From your comment, my personal opinion and i could be wrong, I sensed "criticism" toward dam099 suggested solution, it just sounded/read that way. If that was not intention - re-post/edit.
Statements you made in your post re IP's - well, sorry, they don't stand a chance of any defense.

I am glad you found in yourself courage and half-descent way to retreat from awkward situation.

I also glad that ED E (or other) didn't followed up with further "strong" comments - smart move if original post was purely "strong" comment, not intention to insult.

I also hope that THIS could be put down to RIP and we all could concentrate on to the topic.

TomOnBoard wrote: »

Yep! I concurred completely with dam099's OWN statement that s/he was proposing a solution that "would probably horrify the proper Network techs on here".. And I responded with Noooooooo!!!!! with 2 horrified emojis, being fully in agreement with dam099's own preamble.

I think (as you seem to have admitted) you misread my proposal, I meant using a switch at every point (which others did pick up on). I too am puzzled about what the reference to single IP address was about (I can only assume maybe you though my suggestion only involved daisy chaining the wiring back to one router port with no switching). I effectively daisy chain myself (only 2 levels though) and have multiple devices with unique IPs many of which ultimately go back to one router port.

e.g. Router Port 2 - Switch 1 - Patch Panel - In wall run - Switch 2 - Devices

My own caveats were to indicate that it wasn't an ideal solution (there seem to be 2 schools of thought on the wisdom of daisy chaining multiple levels of switches) but I believe it was a (somewhat ugly) solution if the OP didn't want to rewire (assuming the wiring can also be re-terminated as needed).

Going back to the OP its mentioned its a new house so not sure if that meant new to the OP or new build. If the latter and not fully decorated yet I would be leaning towards putting in new runs, which may not be that many in the main part of the house as it seems the main use case is IP cameras which as ED E pointed out could be to the eaves (so could possibly be done through the attic, once you get some cables up there from the central point).

dam099 wrote: »

... (there seem to be 2 schools of thought on the wisdom of daisy chaining multiple levels of switches) ...

I think it was more relevant on 10/100 networks and for big ones, as you share one port to all devices above that point - add multiple d-chained switches and you might end-up with enough users to saturate 100Mbps on first switch.
Parent switch(or link) failure taking all above network down was mentioned already.
Once we dealing here with domestic environment its not ideal, but less critical. And i yet to see TP-Link ProSafe switch to fail on me - ~10years in service for me

I suppose cost factor of multiple switches vs chasing new cables will play here.

@OP
What means of internet connection you have (planing)?
How flexible to move is your internet entry point? Where is router located (will be)?


I am leading to, if router can be located at mid-point of this extension loop, adjacent two points woudl able to get full speed without any extra.