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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,203 ✭✭✭partyguinness


    Cyclists that do not cycle on cycle lanes when they are provided right beside them should be shot.

    I got stuck behind 2 cyclists the other day that held me up for a good few minutes, there was a bloody brand new 2 lane cycle path right beside them, but they wanted to cycle on the road in front of me instead. When I beeped at them I got the finger and when I gave out when eventually overtaking them one of them decided it would be a good idea to punch my back window. Lets finish the story at this point!!!

    But yeah, shoot them.


    Last week I was sauntering along the footpath to work and this cyclist came right up behind me on the footpath furiously ringing his bell. Basically the little cnut expected me to move out of the way.

    I ignored him and he kept ringing his little bell. I turned and said: 'This is a footpath not a cycle path.'

    He had no answer and was shocked. Little **** had no helmet on either...:mad:


  • Registered Users Posts: 416 ✭✭uncommon_name


    iamwhoiam wrote: »
    I think it should be law if a cycle lane is there that cyclist must use it . There is a great new cycle lane near us and yet some cyclist insist on being on the road
    And before I am told about uneven surfaces it is new and clean and even

    Exactly the same as the one near me. I actually go for runs on it all the time because its much softer than the concrete and no cyclists use it anyway.
    Its brand new and in better condition than the road is.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,149 ✭✭✭✭the beer revolu


    If people wish death to cyclists so much, why do they give a fiddlers whether they wear helmets or not?


  • Registered Users Posts: 416 ✭✭uncommon_name


    Raconteuse wrote: »
    That's actually a popular opinion - and rightly so.

    My less popular opinion is that cyclists on non urban roads have the right to use the roads like everyone else, and slowing down cars has to be accepted as they can't go any faster. Still can't bear them though. :p

    I am glad that I am not the only person that wants to shoot them. Haha.

    Yes if you are on a back road somewhere you have no choice but to hold people up, I used to live in the country and had to cycle in the way of cars and then drive behind cyclists. So I understand there nothing either can do. But its still frustrating.


  • Registered Users Posts: 416 ✭✭uncommon_name


    Last week I was sauntering along the footpath to work and this cyclist came right up behind me on the footpath furiously ringing his bell. Basically the little cnut expected me to move out of the way.

    I ignored him and he kept ringing his little bell. I turned and said: 'This is a footpath not a cycle path.'

    He had no answer and was shocked. Little **** had no helmet on either...:mad:

    I see this happening in Dublin City Centre all the time where cyclists are too afraid to cycle on the roads because they are so busy. Still no excuse though.


  • Moderators, Politics Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 24,269 Mod ✭✭✭✭Chips Lovell


    If people wish death to cyclists so much, why do they give a fiddlers whether they wear helmets or not?

    Helmets add texture to road kill


  • Registered Users Posts: 416 ✭✭uncommon_name


    If people wish death to cyclists so much, why do they give a fiddlers whether they wear helmets or not?

    I know I don't care anyway. It's a personal choice for the cyclist.

    However if I do accidentally hit one and they fall off the bike, I would be bloody praying they have a helmet on.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,149 ✭✭✭✭the beer revolu


    When I'm driving and have to stop at a red light, I prefer any cyclists going my way, check for oncoming traffic and break the lights.
    When the lights go green, I then don't have to deal with wobbly cyclists just getting going in front of me.
    So, in many circumstances, I have no problem with cyclists breaking lights when there is nothing coming.

    I also don't mind the odd cyclist on a footpath provided they are cognisant pedestrians and give complete right of way and aren't flying around.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,627 ✭✭✭Woke Hogan


    Permabear earlier today: "Coldplay are derivative compared to innovative Beatles".

    *Convenient deletion after no thanks/recognition.*

    Nobody subscribes to patronising point of view, poster looks to recover dignity by straining towards carefully selected argument that reinforces subjective bias. A transparent reach for credibility, shallow "facts" foundering on contact with reality.

    Future shock: Insistence on removal of presence from boards after being persistently humiliated.
    Permabear is the guy everyone was slagging off before, right? And here you are, piling on in a pathetic plea for approval. Wow.


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  • Registered Users Posts: 4,994 ✭✭✭c.p.w.g.w


    iamwhoiam wrote: »
    I think it should be law if a cycle lane is there that cyclist must use it . There is a great new cycle lane near us and yet some cyclist insist on being on the road
    And before I am told about uneven surfaces it is new and clean and even

    Cycle lanes are dangerous in most places in my experience. Full of debris and parked cars


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,203 ✭✭✭partyguinness


    I see this happening in Dublin City Centre all the time where cyclists are too afraid to cycle on the roads because they are so busy. Still no excuse though.


    Where I was walking was a quite area. The road is one way and there was no traffic at all. So it was not like it was a busy city road with cars etc flying past. The footpath was also empty.


  • Posts: 5,311 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Woke Hogan wrote: »
    Permabear is the guy everyone was slagging off before, right? And here you are, piling on in a pathetic plea for approval. Wow.

    I wouldn't flatter yourself, you're hardly in a position to adopt the high moral ground.


  • Registered Users Posts: 7,055 ✭✭✭JohnnyFlash


    Woke Hogan? More like Joke Hogan!!


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 8,474 ✭✭✭Obvious Desperate Breakfasts


    Cyclists that do not cycle on cycle lanes when they are provided right beside them should be shot.

    I got stuck behind 2 cyclists the other day that held me up for a good few minutes, there was a bloody brand new 2 lane cycle path right beside them, but they wanted to cycle on the road in front of me instead. When I beeped at them I got the finger and when I gave out when eventually overtaking them one of them decided it would be a good idea to punch my back window. Lets finish the story at this point!!!

    But yeah, shoot them.

    In an ideal world, lanes would be fully used. But spend a few hours trying to cycle in cycle lanes. You’ll see why people are reluctant to stick to them. People park in them, some drivers veer into them or ignore them completely and often they are poorly maintained (potholes etc.). Also, they often end abruptly only to appear again just as abruptly and so on. So you just end up thinking “What’s the point?”.
    iamwhoiam wrote: »
    I think it should be law if a cycle lane is there that cyclist must use it . There is a great new cycle lane near us and yet some cyclist insist on being on the road
    And before I am told about uneven surfaces it is new and clean and even

    Is it free of obstacles at all times?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,153 ✭✭✭✭iamwhoiam


    In an ideal world, lanes would be fully used. But spend a few hours trying to cycle in cycle lanes. You’ll see why people are reluctant to stick to them. People park in them, some drivers veer into them or ignore them completely and often they are poorly maintained (potholes etc.). Also, they often end abruptly only to appear again just as abruptly and so on. So you just end up thinking “What’s the point?”.



    Is it free of obstacles at all times?

    Yes . It is actually .My husband uses it and says it clear and even and its a long stretch of cycle path . Yet time and time again we see cyclist on the road beside it


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 8,474 ✭✭✭Obvious Desperate Breakfasts


    When I'm driving and have to stop at a red light, I prefer any cyclists going my way, check for oncoming traffic and break the lights.
    When the lights go green, I then don't have to deal with wobbly cyclists just getting going in front of me.
    So, in many circumstances, I have no problem with cyclists breaking lights when there is nothing coming.

    I also don't mind the odd cyclist on a footpath provided they are cognisant pedestrians and give complete right of way and aren't flying around.

    See, this is all sensible. I always stopped at lights. But when I did so, if I was turning left and there were no pedestrians, I’d go through the red light. I can’t see why anyone would have a problem with this. There was no speed involved. And I agree about paths. If the path is clear and the cyclist isn’t speeding and makes way for pedestrians, it should be fine.

    And whilst cyclists can kill, motorists just need to understand that those driving a motorised vehicle just have to be held to a much higher standard because they are operating a heavy machine that is far, far more likely to kill somebody than the person on the pushbike. The rules are enforced on them more frequently and seriously because of that.
    iamwhoiam wrote: »
    Yes . It is actually .

    Is there a barrier between the road and the cycle path? That’s the only way you could know for sure.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,153 ✭✭✭✭iamwhoiam


    See, this is all sensible. I always stopped at lights. But when I did so, if I was turning left and there were no pedestrians, I’d go through the red light. I can’t see why anyone would have a problem with this. There was no speed involved. And I agree about paths. If the path is clear and the cyclist isn’t speeding and makes way for pedestrians, it should be fine.

    And whilst cyclists can kill, motorists just need to understand that those driving a motorised vehicle just have to be held to a much higher standard because they are operating a heavy machine that is far, far more likely to kill somebody than the person on the pushbike. The rules are enforced on them more frequently and seriously because of
    Is there a barrier between the road and the cycle path? That’s the only way you could know for sure.

    Know what for sure ?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,005 ✭✭✭BDI


    If people are angry about silly things like cyclists and all sorts of silly stuff that don’t affect them they are the problem.

    There should be a government agency that goes to miserable peoples houses and makes sure they spend a week or two sleeping the required times, eating healthy foods and exercising.

    They would be so much happier and normal people wouldn’t have to deal with them. I would happily take a percentage raise in taxes to pay for this agency.


  • Registered Users Posts: 555 ✭✭✭tim3000


    The death penalty should be reinstated for cases of mass murder or infanticide or serial rape/child abuse where the perpetrator was in full control of their faculties.

    Serial minor offenders should not be jailed instead they should be railroaded through the education system.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,153 ✭✭✭✭iamwhoiam


    BDI wrote: »
    If people are angry about silly things like cyclists and all sorts of silly stuff that don’t affect them they are the problem.

    There should be a government agency that goes to miserable peoples houses and makes sure they spend a week or two sleeping the required times, eating healthy foods and exercising.

    They would be so much happier and normal people wouldn’t have to deal with them. I would happily take a percentage raise in taxes to pay for this agency.
    Cyclist on the road affect drivers on the road .


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 8,474 ✭✭✭Obvious Desperate Breakfasts


    iamwhoiam wrote: »
    Know what for sure ?

    That it remains obstacle free. You know, the question I asked you a few posts back? If the cycle lane is contiguous with the road, there can be problems. Cars driving on the cycle lane, cars parking in it etc. It’s not all to do with the surface being even.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,153 ✭✭✭✭iamwhoiam


    That it remains obstacle free. You know, the question I asked you a few posts back? If the cycle lane is contiguous with the road, there can be problems. Cars driving on the cycle lane, cars parking in it etc. It’s not all to do with the surface being even.

    Why so tetchy ? I didn’t know what you meant . The cycle lane is one a wide path with a kerb . Yes it’s obstacle free , my husband uses that cycle lane daily with a child in a seat behind him and says its a pleasure to use . He sees other cyclists on the road without even bothering to use the cycle lane


  • Moderators, Politics Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 24,269 Mod ✭✭✭✭Chips Lovell


    A.) Cycle lanes aren't mandatory
    B.) Giving out about people using them isn't an unpopular opinion


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 8,474 ✭✭✭Obvious Desperate Breakfasts


    iamwhoiam wrote: »
    Why so tetchy ? I didn’t know what you meant . The cycle lane is one a wide path with a kerb . Yes it’s obstacle free , my husband uses that cycle lane daily with a child in a seat behind him and says its a pleasure to use . He sees other cyclists on the road without even bothering to use the cycle lane

    The people avoiding them are probably wary of them after many bad experiences. Because if you’re a cyclist, you will have had bad experiences with cycle lanes. If the lane has a kerb, they should be using it for sure and hopefully more and more will.

    As the poster after you said though, they’re not required to use the lane. A requirement for cyclists to use cycle lanes will probably only come in effect when there’s a contiguous network of lanes. And that will probably never happen. My own experience of cycle lanes was having to weave in and out of them constantly for various reasons. I very much wanted to use them but it wasn’t easy.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,067 ✭✭✭✭fryup


    Ok here goes.....

    ...I don't think Dolores O'Riordan was a good singer...her Limerick accent coming through her voice made it like nails down a blackboard for me...as a matter of fact whenever the cranberries came on the radio i'd change stations instantly


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,576 ✭✭✭Paddy Cow


    I think that suicide should be allowed for non terminal illness. Who is to say that a mental illness is less debilitating as a physical one?
    All the doctors in the world. If you have a terminal physical illness, then unfortunately your time is up. The most common mental illness that makes people commit suicide is depression. Unfortunately there is still a stigma around it and people suffer in silence, while they go deeper into the dark side. I'm not saying that everyone can be "cured" but it can be treated and there are plenty of people who were once suicidal and made attempts, who are quite happy that they failed. The problem in this country is that mental illness isn't taken as seriously as physical illness. People proactively attend their GP, only to be told their is a long waiting list to see a counsellor. I don't know what the answer is but offering them euthanasia certainly isn't it.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,483 ✭✭✭mr_fegelien


    Paddy Cow wrote: »
    All the doctors in the world. If you have a terminal physical illness, then unfortunately your time is up. The most common mental illness that makes people commit suicide is depression. Unfortunately there is still a stigma around it and people suffer in silence, while they go deeper into the dark side. I'm not saying that everyone can be "cured" but it can be treated and there are plenty of people who were once suicidal and made attempts, who are quite happy that they failed. The problem in this country is that mental illness isn't taken as seriously as physical illness. People proactively attend their GP, only to be told their is a long waiting list to see a counsellor. I don't know what the answer is but offering them euthanasia certainly isn't it.

    In what way is there a stigma?

    I do definitely think that our homeless issue has to do a lot with mental health as much as a housing crisis


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,987 ✭✭✭✭NIMAN


    I do definitely think that our homeless issue has to do a lot with mental health as much as a housing crisis

    You'd think that we wouldn't have a near 50% refusal rate of house offers then, wouldn't you?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,253 ✭✭✭jackofalltrades


    Guinness is over-rated.
    It's a alright to drink, but it doesn't live up to the hype.
    Peoples insistence on drinking it gives Diageo more power than they should have.
    Guinness charge a fortune for the kegs here and then it's sold as the cheapest drink in the pub.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 587 ✭✭✭Redneck Reject


    Guinness is over-rated.
    It's a alright to drink, but it doesn't live up to the hype.
    Peoples insistence on drinking it gives Diageo more power than they should have.
    Guinness charge a fortune for the kegs here and then it's sold as the cheapest drink in the pub.

    I agree, I love Carling but unfortunately haven't found a pub here that sells it.


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  • Registered Users Posts: 16,500 ✭✭✭✭DEFTLEFTHAND


    I wouldn't really be into to this paternal leave thing.

    Go home for 6 weeks with a screaming weeinn.


    When my son was born I worked day and night in the private family business to pay for him


    I certainly wasn't getting up every 3hrs at night to feed him though.


    H is mother did that, she doesn't work, just bleeds coin out of me.


  • Registered Users Posts: 359 ✭✭Experience_day


    I wouldn't really be into to this paternal leave thing.

    Go home for 6 weeks with a screaming weeinn.


    When my son was born I worked day and night in the private family business to pay for him


    I certainly wasn't getting up every 3hrs at night to feed him though.


    H is mother did that, she doesn't work, just bleeds coin out of me.


    What a charmer. :pac:


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 342 ✭✭daveorourke77


    If people wish death to cyclists so much, why do they give a fiddlers whether they wear helmets or not?

    Even if they wear a helmet, they won't survive. The trick is to reverse over them after you've knocked them down.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 342 ✭✭daveorourke77


    fryup wrote: »
    Ok here goes.....

    ...I don't think Dolores O'Riordan was a good singer...her Limerick accent coming through her voice made it like nails down a blackboard for me...as a matter of fact whenever the cranberries came on the radio i'd change stations instantly

    I feel the same way about Van Morrisson. He has a big Graeme McDowell on him.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 8,474 ✭✭✭Obvious Desperate Breakfasts


    fryup wrote: »
    Ok here goes.....

    ...I don't think Dolores O'Riordan was a good singer...her Limerick accent coming through her voice made it like nails down a blackboard for me...as a matter of fact whenever the cranberries came on the radio i'd change stations instantly

    Yup. I hated her voice. And didn’t really like the band’s music in general. Some people react to that like it’s a cardinal sin. Just because they were a successful Irish band doesn’t mean everyone is going to like them.


  • Registered Users Posts: 16,500 ✭✭✭✭DEFTLEFTHAND


    What a charmer. :pac:
    You'd want to see what I live with.

    Woman hasn't worked in nearly 8 yrs, refuses to get a job.


    It's very difficult to operate a single income household these days.


    I'm breaking my bollox off working in a family business that's going down. While she swans around town with her friends for coffee, spending my money and neglecting our son.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 34,424 ✭✭✭✭The_Kew_Tour


    Social Welfare of all forms should only be given to people who really need it.

    Parents who have 10 kids and looking to bleed every last cent out should be given food tokens they can use but not use it to buy fancy things.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,005 ✭✭✭BDI


    You'd want to see what I live with.

    Woman hasn't worked in nearly 8 yrs, refuses to get a job.


    It's very difficult to operate a single income household these days.


    I'm breaking my bollox off working in a family business that's going down. While she swans around town with her friends for coffee, spending my money and neglecting our son.

    Woah , get a good nights sleep lad.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,817 ✭✭✭Raconteuse


    You'd want to see what I live with.

    Woman hasn't worked in nearly 8 yrs, refuses to get a job.


    It's very difficult to operate a single income household these days.


    I'm breaking my bollox off working in a family business that's going down. While she swans around town with her friends for coffee, spending my money and neglecting our son.
    She shouldn't be throwing money away of course but when you say neglecting your son, who is minding him when she meets her friends for coffee?

    And would it not cost a fortune in childcare anyway if she did get a job? I don't see an issue with the mother not working (for a few years anyway) but not to be taking the piss with the father's money obviously.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,005 ✭✭✭BDI


    So is it an unpopular opinion that if a kept woman spends 3 euro on a coffee once a week she is neglecting her son?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,911 ✭✭✭✭Dial Hard


    You'd want to see what I live with.

    Woman hasn't worked in nearly 8 yrs, refuses to get a job.


    It's very difficult to operate a single income household these days.


    I'm breaking my bollox off working in a family business that's going down. While she swans around town with her friends for coffee, spending my money and neglecting our son.

    Why are you with someone you clearly can't stand???


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,817 ✭✭✭Raconteuse


    BDI wrote: »
    So is it an unpopular opinion that if a kept woman spends 3 euro on a coffee once a week she is neglecting her son?
    God I don't see anywhere that she goes for one coffee a week and nothing more.

    The unpopular opinion is that he's not a fan of paternity leave.

    He sounds resentful but if she is spending a lot of his hard earned money on clothes, shoes and lunches, then that's not fair.


  • Registered Users Posts: 16,500 ✭✭✭✭DEFTLEFTHAND


    Raconteuse wrote: »
    She shouldn't be throwing money away of course but when you say neglecting your son, who is minding him when she meets her friends for coffee?

    And would it not cost a fortune in childcare anyway if she did get a job? I don't see an issue with the mother not working (for a few years anyway) but not to be taking the piss with the father's money obviously.
    She hasn't since he was born. She drops him up to either her own mam or my mam to be minded when she goes on her excursions.

    I'm taking steps after our son turns 18. I'm trying to be honourable by keeping it going when he's underage. A child has a right to be raised with his mum and his dad.The last thing I want to do is fck him up.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,911 ✭✭✭✭Dial Hard


    She hasn't since he was born. She drops him up to either her own mam or my mam to be minded when she goes on her excursions.

    I'm taking steps after our son turns 18. I'm trying to be honourable by keeping it going when he's underage. A child has a right to be raised with his mum and his dad.The last thing I want to do is fck him up.

    A child has a right to be raised in as happy and stable an environment as possible. Living with two parents who don't like or respect let alone love eachother, with clear resentment issues and both of whom seem to be pretty absent in different ways, is really not in the child's best interests, sorry.

    Apologies if that sounds harsh because you clearly feel you're doing the right thing for him, but keeping everyone in what sounds like a horrible arrangement could easily fcuk him up more in the long run than you two separating.

    And now I shall remove my beak from your business.


  • Registered Users Posts: 16,500 ✭✭✭✭DEFTLEFTHAND


    Dial Hard wrote: »
    Why are you with someone you clearly can't stand???
    It's not that I can't stand her, I still love her and we have great craic together.



    It's just that she has no appreciation of my situation, I don't think our fam business will last another year, we're in dire straits tbh, I actually cried in my office last Thursday after a meeting with our accountant. I'm under unreal stress.


    She doesn't give a hoot about this, she's almost childlike when it comes to real life adult issues.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,576 ✭✭✭Paddy Cow


    It's not that I can't stand her, I still love her and we have great craic together.



    It's just that she has no appreciation of my situation, I don't think our fam business will last another year, we're in dire straits tbh, I actually cried in my office last Thursday after a meeting with our accountant. I'm under unreal stress.


    She doesn't give a hoot about this, she's almost childlike when it comes to real life adult issues.
    I used to work for a couple and the wife was kinda like yours. Now she did work and wasn't lazy but her attitude to finances was appalling. She spent it quicker than it was coming in and was irresponsible in that she'd go to the cash and carry and not bother to keep the invoice, which is obviously needed for the accountant. It used to drive the husband up the wall because he was the one going to and meeting the accounting/taking care of all the finances etc and she simply didn't give a sh!t. Like you say, it was almost a childlike attitude in her total refusal to consider any sort of responsibility.


  • Registered Users Posts: 359 ✭✭Experience_day


    It's not that I can't stand her, I still love her and we have great craic together.



    It's just that she has no appreciation of my situation, I don't think our fam business will last another year, we're in dire straits tbh, I actually cried in my office last Thursday after a meeting with our accountant. I'm under unreal stress.


    She doesn't give a hoot about this, she's almost childlike when it comes to real life adult issues.


    Does she know this? Have you communicated it to her?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,405 ✭✭✭Airyfairy12


    It's not that I can't stand her, I still love her and we have great craic together.



    It's just that she has no appreciation of my situation, I don't think our fam business will last another year, we're in dire straits tbh, I actually cried in my office last Thursday after a meeting with our accountant. I'm under unreal stress.


    She doesn't give a hoot about this, she's almost childlike when it comes to real life adult issues.

    Was she like this before you married her? Surely you knew what you were getting into or did thing change after your son came along?

    She will never change, I have friends just like her, in the beginning their excuse for not looking for work was because the cost of childcare is too high, now their kids are almost in secondary school and theyre still not working, living off their partners wage and their social welfare, every morning they go to the gym, meet up for breakfast or lunch, get their hair and nails done, spending someone elses money, at the end of the month they can barely make rent despite having a great income every week.

    You married a spoiled little princess who will never be able to support herself, if you leave her, she'll find someone else to pay her way.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,576 ✭✭✭Paddy Cow


    Was she like this before you married her? Surely you knew what you were getting into or did thing change after your son came along?

    She will never change, I have friends just like her, in the beginning their excuse for not looking for work was because the cost of childcare is too high, now their kids are almost in secondary school and theyre still not working, living off their partners wage and their social welfare, every morning they go to the gym, meet up for breakfast or lunch, get their hair and nails done, spending someone elses money, at the end of the month they can barely make rent despite having a great income every week.

    You married a spoiled little princess who will never be able to support herself, if you leave her, she'll find someone else to pay her way.
    And if they separate, the wife will get the house and kids as the primary care giver and the husband will be far worse off financially, which is why many men stay.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,405 ✭✭✭Airyfairy12


    Paddy Cow wrote: »
    And if they separate, the wife will get the house and kids as the primary care giver and the husband will be far worse off financially, which is why many men stay.

    Exactly, it leaves men trapped but in saying that men love these types of women, theres so many women who are independent financially, look after themselves or just dont expect anyone to pay their way but theyre single yet women who see men as their personal piggy bank have no problem getting into relationships.
    The men have no problem agreeing to a shared bank account (with a partner who has no money) and then wonder where their money is gone every month.
    Theres two in it.


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