Reliability of new model Insignia?

um7y1h83ge06nx · 14-04-2019 3:35pm #1

Anyone know about the reliability of the new model insignia? Sister in law went from a 09 Insignia which had terrible reliability issues to surprisingly enough another Insignia, a brand new one.

Was sitting in it today and it's a lovely car, lots of toys. Maybe Opel have improved it after the troublesome 1st model.

colm_mcm · 14-04-2019 3:43pm

The 1.6 ‘whisper diesel’ is out a while now and I haven’t heard any reports of them being bad.
I think the new insignia is a fine car and is in my mind just the right size for the segment. Cars keep getting bigger for no good reason.

corks finest · 14-04-2019 3:47pm

Tomas Numerous Walkie-talkie wrote: »

Anyone know about the reliability of the new model insignia? Sister in law went from a 09 Insignia which had terrible reliability issues to surprisingly enough another Insignia, a brand new one.

Was sitting in it today and it's a lovely car, lots of toys. Maybe Opel have improved it after the troublesome 1st model.

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selectamatic · 14-04-2019 3:55pm

https://touch.boards.ie/thread/2057957882/1/#post109523588

Posts here in this Mokka thread weren't too positive about the 1.6 diesel

bazz26 · 14-04-2019 4:00pm

Hard to know really as they are not around in huge numbers. Opels in general are out of fashion these days, the competition is too good.

mickdw · 14-04-2019 8:12pm

The new one looks very good imo.
I think they are too pricey though

Stallingrad · 15-04-2019 8:16am

mickdw wrote: »

The new one looks very good imo.
I think they are too pricey though

If you tolerate a Vauxhall badge they are great value in the UK.

kindalen · 15-04-2019 9:06am

Always wondered how cheap/easy it would be to replace with Opel badges? Just the exterior and steering wheel ones?

bazz26 · 15-04-2019 11:41am

Don't see the point in changing the badges to be honest, it will still be listed as a Vauxhall on the car's registration cert.

Cordell · 15-04-2019 12:07pm

You don't see the logbook while you're driving or when you get in and out of your car

But probably the most important is the speedo dial that needs to be converted to km/h (unless the car comes with an all screen dashboard that can be switched).

Farfromhome02 · 15-04-2019 2:40pm

They always look well on the back of a tow truck,best place for them

jimgoose · 15-04-2019 2:42pm

Farfromhome02 wrote: »

They always look well on the back of a tow truck,best place for them

When I was car-hunting back around Christmas I noticed an incredible amount of very fresh Insignias for sale for small money. I imagine there's a reason for that. :pac:

chicorytip · 15-04-2019 4:59pm

jimgoose wrote:

When I was car-hunting back around Christmas I noticed an incredible amount of very fresh Insignias for sale for small money. I imagine there's a reason for that.

The Insignia is a very good car - loads of them driving around that have done very high mileage. They are no less reliable than any other similar type of car out there. The latest "facelifted" version is bland looking compared to the earlier design. Opel cars, particularly the larger models, tend not to hold their value that well. You could say the same about Renault, Ford and Fiat who all produce great cars. The fact of the matter is that there are no longer any cars being produced that could be described as bad or unreliable because standards of engineering and design have evolved to a uniformly high standard across the motor industry.

Farfromhome02 · 15-04-2019 5:13pm

jimgoose wrote: »

When I was car-hunting back around Christmas I noticed an incredible amount of very fresh Insignias for sale for small money. I imagine there's a reason for that. :pac:

If it's too good to be true it usually is,the amount of times I have heard it's a cheap car,gearbox and engine 100% it is cheap for a reason somebody is getting rid of a ball of scutter

colm_mcm · 15-04-2019 7:40pm

Rebuilt
https://www.donedeal.ie/cars-for-sale/opel-insignia-total-engine-rebuilt/20954439

Rebuilt
https://www.donedeal.ie/cars-for-sale/vauxhall-insignia-2-0-cdti-new-engine-fitted-11/21509158

Needs to be rebuilt
https://www.donedeal.ie/cars-for-sale/car/21328051

Rebuilt
https://www.donedeal.ie/cars-for-sale/2010-opel-insignia-estate/21138964

Rebuilt
https://www.donedeal.ie/cars-for-sale/opel-insignia/21255655

Rebuilt
https://www.donedeal.ie/cars-for-sale/immaculate-insignia-160bhp-2-0cdti-6-mth-warranty/20599903

Not scientific but apparently it’s very hard to get engines for these such is there alleged tendency to self destruct.

um7y1h83ge06nx · 15-04-2019 7:57pm

The old model is certainly very poor, but is the new model any better? Did they learn from their mistakes?

Thing is though the new models are relatively rare as so many have heard the horror stories of the old one.

Cordell · 15-04-2019 8:03pm

There is a known problem with the 2.0 diesel, there is a seal in the oil pump that perishes and the oil pressure drops, not enough to light up the oil pressure light and error message, but enough to cause significant damage. And when the error finally pops up it's usually too late. Also, replacing the seal it's a pretty big job even though the seal itself is cheap.

selectamatic · 15-04-2019 8:52pm

There's a garage in Navan and their bread and butter earners would be rebuilding Opel/Vauxhall engines.

West coast engine rebuilds in Galway do a rake of them too.

chicorytip · 15-04-2019 10:17pm

The term "engine rebuild" is open to interpretation. In many cases this could mean replacing the timing belt and water pump which is a routine maintenance job.

bazz26 · 15-04-2019 10:29pm

I've heard it all now.

SCOOP 64 · 15-04-2019 10:37pm

chicorytip wrote: »

The term "engine rebuild" is open to interpretation. In many cases this could mean replacing the timing belt and water pump which is a routine maintenance job.

i have never heard anyone descript a timing belt and water pump change as a engine rebuilt.

Needles73 · 15-04-2019 10:46pm

chicorytip wrote: »

The Insignia is a very good car - loads of them driving around that have done very high mileage. They are no less reliable than any other similar type of car out there. The latest "facelifted" version is bland looking compared to the earlier design. Opel cars, particularly the larger models, tend not to hold their value that well. You could say the same about Renault, Ford and Fiat who all produce great cars. The fact of the matter is that there are no longer any cars being produced that could be described as bad or unreliable because standards of engineering and design have evolved to a uniformly high standard across the motor industry.

Such nonsense. There’s a reason they are cheaper than the equivalent from other makers.

kerten · 15-04-2019 11:41pm

Cordell wrote: »

There is a known problem with the 2.0 diesel, there is a seal in the oil pump that perishes and the oil pressure drops, not enough to light up the oil pressure light and error message, but enough to cause significant damage. And when the error finally pops up it's usually too late. Also, replacing the seal it's a pretty big job even though the seal itself is cheap.

Same 2.0 engine is in Zafira Tourer's so is it safe to assume that they are subject to same risk ?

Cordell · 16-04-2019 8:12am

It's very likely to have the same problem if it's the same engine code.

um7y1h83ge06nx · 16-04-2019 8:31am

Crazy that they don't seem to have rectified things with the new model - was a good opportunity to repair the brand and get some good word out.

Would be hard to see them releasing a 3rd gen version.

16-04-2019 8:36am

Tomas Numerous Walkie-talkie wrote: »

Crazy that they don't seem to have rectified things with the new model - was a good opportunity to repair the brand and get some good word out.

Would be hard to see them releasing a 3rd gen version.

The should have renamed that model

Wildly Boaring · 16-04-2019 9:04am

BrownFinger wrote: »

The should have renamed that model

Just gone back to plain old vectra

colm_mcm · 16-04-2019 11:22am

Tomas Numerous Walkie-talkie wrote: »

Crazy that they don't seem to have rectified things with the new model - was a good opportunity to repair the brand and get some good word out.

Would be hard to see them releasing a 3rd gen version.

But is the new model actually giving any trouble?

Cordell · 16-04-2019 11:24am

They are not the only ones that have engines prone to catastrophic failure, but compared to other cases the preventive maintenance while not cheap is not very expensive and quite accessible to DIY if you know what you're doing and have the proper tools. Unlike, let's say, BMW N47 failures.

CoBo55 · 16-04-2019 11:55am

Rebuilding the engine is a waste of time because the bearing shells seize to the rotating crank, spin in the cap/block ruining the fit required for the new shells.

Cordell · 16-04-2019 12:04pm

A proper rebuild will take care of that if possible, or else discard the engine for scrap.

road_high · 16-04-2019 12:05pm

Tomas Numerous Walkie-talkie wrote: »

Anyone know about the reliability of the new model insignia? Sister in law went from a 09 Insignia which had terrible reliability issues to surprisingly enough another Insignia, a brand new one.

Was sitting in it today and it's a lovely car, lots of toys. Maybe Opel have improved it after the troublesome 1st model.

Driving one at the moment as a temp company car and love it. The improvements are vast over the older model

road_high · 16-04-2019 12:08pm

chicorytip wrote: »

The Insignia is a very good car - loads of them driving around that have done very high mileage. They are no less reliable than any other similar type of car out there. The latest "facelifted" version is bland looking compared to the earlier design. Opel cars, particularly the larger models, tend not to hold their value that well. You could say the same about Renault, Ford and Fiat who all produce great cars. The fact of the matter is that there are no longer any cars being produced that could be described as bad or unreliable because standards of engineering and design have evolved to a uniformly high standard across the motor industry.

I put nearly 150k kms in the old model trouble free. It was main dealer serviced on the button. SRI model, great car that was

road_high · 16-04-2019 12:15pm

Tomas Numerous Walkie-talkie wrote: »

Crazy that they don't seem to have rectified things with the new model - was a good opportunity to repair the brand and get some good word out.

Would be hard to see them releasing a 3rd gen version.

Who says they haven’t ? What’s going on with the new one?

road_high · 16-04-2019 12:24pm

Next model will a 508 clone or an SUV type care like the new Citroen C5.
Opel seem to be recovering under Peugeot but again using that stupid “made in Germany” marketing when they only produce one car there

road_high · 16-04-2019 12:29pm

New one is very economical as well, for a big car it sips fuel

CoBo55 · 16-04-2019 12:30pm

Cordell wrote: »

A proper rebuild will take care of that if possible, or else discard the engine for scrap.

That's the problem, people are replacing shells on engines that should be scrapped and hoping for the best.

CoBo55 · 16-04-2019 12:35pm

road_high wrote: »

I put nearly 150k kms in the old model trouble free. It was main dealer serviced on the button. SRI model, great car that was

Servicing isn't the problem, unless the sump is dropped and the seal replaced on the pickup pipe you're playing russian roulette. As someone posted earlier compared to other engines it isn't a huge job but it's the only guarantee that the engine won't self destruct. No point in doing anything after the warning appears as the damage is already done.

ShadowHearth · 16-04-2019 4:39pm

colm_mcm wrote: »

But is the new model actually giving any trouble?

That's what I would want to know too. Ironically I see a lot of new insignia models on the road. Well, I mean a lot more, then I expected. So clearly people still go for them.
In higher specs if does look very nice. They have some petrol engine too.
Thing is, that a demo or 1-2 year old one is a lot better buy.

tom1ie · 16-04-2019 4:47pm

road_high wrote: »

I put nearly 150k kms in the old model trouble free. It was main dealer serviced on the button. SRI model, great car that was

I have a 2011 Sri vauxhall insignia and I’ve 180k on it now. Hasn’t given me any trouble at all but I have gotten her serviced fairly regular.
I’ve only recently heard about this suspect oil seal so I mentioned it to the main dealer. He said not to worry unless the oil pressure warning light comes on.
I’m starting to wonder now. He did mention it could cost about €500 to do as you’ve to drop the sump etc.

Cordell · 16-04-2019 5:08pm

That's the wrong advice - you indeed have to worry when you get the warning light, but not about the seal.
Check the oil pressure with a pressure gauge, or better yet change the seal regardless, it's about time in both years and mileage.

Now, this makes it look like a bad car, but really it isn't, it's a perfectly manageable problem that will not occur with proper checks and preventive maintenance. There are cars out there with much bigger problems, for which both checking and preventive maintenance is hugely expensive.

The cost quotes seems ok for a dealer, sump needs to be dropped.

road_high · 16-04-2019 9:07pm

tom1ie wrote: »

I have a 2011 Sri vauxhall insignia and I’ve 180k on it now. Hasn’t given me any trouble at all but I have gotten her serviced fairly regular.
I’ve only recently heard about this suspect oil seal so I mentioned it to the main dealer. He said not to worry unless the oil pressure warning light comes on.
I’m starting to wonder now. He did mention it could cost about €500 to do as you’ve to drop the sump etc.

It’s unfortunate the flaw is there, because otherwise I think both Insignias are very good cars in my experience

Hurrache · 16-04-2019 9:11pm

Cordell wrote: »

They are not the only ones that have engines prone to catastrophic failure, but compared to other cases the preventive maintenance while not cheap is not very expensive and quite accessible to DIY if you know what you're doing and have the proper tools. Unlike, let's say, BMW N47 failures.

It can be done when getting the timing belt changed so it's not that a massive job outside of scheduled maintenence. Even then it's still a bit of a pita.

The older model from SRi trim upwards I still think is a nicer car than the replacement.

galwaytt · 17-04-2019 12:56am

chicorytip wrote: »

The fact of the matter is that there are no longer any cars being produced that could be described as bad or unreliable because standards of engineering and design have evolved to a uniformly high standard across the motor industry.

This thread : https://touch.boards.ie/thread/2057951592/1/#post109295479
would be just one that would fly in the face of your all new cars are better theory.

And the post#8 by Gorteen here https://touch.boards.ie/thread/2057972313/1/#post109922666
is another example.

And all this before anyone mentions M47 N47 engines etc...

My point is, the Insignia can't be any worse, or at least if similar. ....keeps good company.

selectamatic · 17-04-2019 1:58am

galwaytt wrote: »

And all this before anyone mentions M47 engines etc...

The m47 is a triumph of engineering by Bavarian Motor Works.

The n47 on the other hand...

galwaytt · 17-04-2019 3:22pm

selectamatic wrote: »

The m47 is a triumph of engineering by Bavarian Motor Works.

The n47 on the other hand...

Lolz.

Apart from swirl flaps et al

route66 · 17-04-2019 4:10pm

chicorytip wrote: »

<SNIP>
You could say the same about Renault, Ford and Fiat who all produce great cars. The fact of the matter is that there are no longer any cars being produced that could be described as bad or unreliable because standards of engineering and design have evolved to a uniformly high standard across the motor industry.

Ah, come 'ere now ...

Cordell · 17-04-2019 4:12pm

I think a more honest claim will be that Insignia has some reliability issues, but all of them manageable at reasonable costs; and there are other models from bigger and better brands that have even worse issues.

selectamatic · 17-04-2019 4:15pm

galwaytt wrote: »

Lolz.

Apart from swirl flaps et al

Mere auxiliaries :P

Cordell · 17-04-2019 4:19pm

swirl flap ingestion can affect a lot of engine auxiliaries, like head valves and pistons

selectamatic · 17-04-2019 4:28pm

Cordell wrote: »

swirl flap ingestion can affect a lot of engine auxiliaries, like head valves and pistons

That's the joke.

*McBain voice*

Reliability of new model Insignia?

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