General Rugby Discussion II

errlloyd · 15-04-2019 11:54am

awec wrote: »

Damian MacKenzie out of the World Cup for New Zealand.

That's a loss for rugby. He is blockbuster. He makes NZ more exciting while not necessarily making them much better persay.

Squidgy Black · 15-04-2019 11:57am

I'd imagine all of New Zealand is begging for Beauden to be wrapped in bubble wrap from now until August.

Disappointed we won't get to see McKenzie on the big stage.

Hermy · 15-04-2019 11:59am

Originally Posted by Israel Folau
I can't change what the word of God says...

That may be, but like every other person who subscribes to religion, he either picks and chooses which god and what words, or they're chosen for him by dint of his birth.

swiwi_ · 15-04-2019 1:44pm

errlloyd wrote: »

That's a loss for rugby. He is blockbuster. He makes NZ more exciting while not necessarily making them much better persay.

Per se...

I think his best role is (was

) super sub 15. Not a good enough 10 for international rugby.

But less chance of a stupid intercept or getting caught behind the gain line. Also less chance of scoring a match winning try out of nothing.

arsebiscuits1 · 15-04-2019 1:55pm

swiwi_ wrote: »

Per se...

I think his best role is (was ) super sub 15. Not a good enough 10 for international rugby.

But less chance of a stupid intercept or getting caught behind the gain line. Also less chance of scoring a match winning try out of nothing.

I agree with this. I don't think dmac is a top level 10 and I think Mo'unga is a far superior player to him.

But neither of those boys have a patch on Barrett and all the calls I saw to have Barrett shifted to 15 to make room for one of these fellas was absolute lunacy

razorblunt · 15-04-2019 1:59pm

Guy:Incognito wrote: »

The typical crap . Usually followed when questioned about all the totally evil **** that would then be gods direct doing with " well God tests us" yeah, by giving kids diseases or letting them be abused. Nice one God.
It's a wonder he had to train at all if God was deciding the outcome anyway. Surely because hes such a good boy he should have won every game he played?

Suppose you can take that 2 ways. Either the bible is bull**** written by some lads 2000 years ago and is very much not the word of God.

Or you absolutely can change what the word of God says or there wouldnt be more than one set of beliefs in christianity , let alone have more than 1 religion.

Has Pocock made any statement? His absence has been noted

thomond2006 · 15-04-2019 2:02pm

razorblunt wrote: »

Has Pocock made any statement? His absence has been noted

It would be dodgy territory for any fellow employee at Rugby Australia to make any comment.

arsebiscuits1 · 15-04-2019 2:04pm

thomond2006 wrote: »

It would be dodgy territory for any fellow employee at Rugby Australia to make any comment.

Pocock is an extremely sensible fella.

You'd have to have a screw loose as a key Australian player to chime in on this one way or the other.

salmocab · 15-04-2019 2:24pm

I think most know Pococks views on such matters but he’s also right to stay out of this publicly.

deezell · 15-04-2019 9:04pm

It's official. Israel Folau is Heading to Ulster. He'll be joining his new team there in time for the big European event in May. Not the champions cup, or Ulster rugby.
He's joining the DUP, in time for the European, elections. Marlene and the gang will meet him at the Airport, with a big welcome cake baked by Ashers.

patoh1 · 15-04-2019 10:40pm

arsebiscuits1 wrote: »

Pocock is an extremely sensible fella.

You'd have to have a screw loose as a key Australian player to chime in on this one way or the other.

Exactly

Former Former · 17-04-2019 3:48pm

https://www.smh.com.au/sport/rugby-union/folau-responds-to-rugby-australia-breach-notice-20190417-p51f0g.html

Folau intends to challenge his dismissal. That's his right, of course, but it makes an absolute show of his previous claims that he'd walk away.

He's a bit of a chancer now, is our Israel

Legion2008 · 17-04-2019 4:21pm

No, it's about negotiating a compensation package for the remainder of his contract.

If he doesn't contest it then they're be none ..... he'll have accepted that he breached his contract and therefore not entitled to any severance.

Squidgy Black · 17-04-2019 4:57pm

Legion2008 wrote: »

No, it's about negotiating a compensation package for the remainder of his contract.

If he doesn't contest it then they're be none ..... he'll have accepted that he breached his contract and therefore not entitled to any severance.

Yup. ARU didn't pay out any severance, was always going to be contested. Hence why Jackson/Olding got a pay out to go quietly.

Former Former · 17-04-2019 5:58pm

Legion2008 wrote: »

No, it's about negotiating a compensation package for the remainder of his contract.

If he doesn't contest it then they're be none ..... he'll have accepted that he breached his contract and therefore not entitled to any severance.

I understand that, but at the time of his previous issues, he made a big virtue of being prepared to walk away from his contract such was his conviction and piety. Now that it's actually happening and there's a lot more money at stake, with no likely offers elsewhere, he's not quite as Gandhi-esque.

It was all bollocks, basically.

hahashake · 18-04-2019 11:48am

arsebiscuits1 wrote: »

I agree with this. I don't think dmac is a top level 10 and I think Mo'unga is a far superior player to him.

But neither of those boys have a patch on Barrett and all the calls I saw to have Barrett shifted to 15 to make room for one of these fellas was absolute lunacy

Mo'unga is a better tactical player than Barrett - or at least his equal. Though probably helps he plays behind a better pack.

Former Former wrote: »

I understand that, but at the time of his previous issues, he made a big virtue of being prepared to walk away from his contract such was his conviction and piety. Now that it's actually happening and there's a lot more money at stake, with no likely offers elsewhere, he's not quite as Gandhi-esque.

It was all bollocks, basically.

I would be very surprised if he couldn't pick up a contract in France or Japan. Not sure how much media coverage this has in France but I doubt it has made headlines in Japan.

sydthebeat · 18-04-2019 11:57am

hahashake wrote: »

I would be very surprised if he couldn't pick up a contract in France or Japan. Not sure how much media coverage this has in France but I doubt it has made headlines in Japan.

its making more headlines outside of australia than within actually.

if he wanted a rugby league contract there he could walk into one

hahashake · 18-04-2019 12:04pm

sydthebeat wrote: »

its making more headlines outside of australia than within actually.

if he wanted a rugby league contract there he could walk into one

Even with all the NRLs issues with player conduct I disagree with this, they would never touch Folau. They had actually had an openly gay player before union (Ian Roberts) and like AFL are publicly promoting inclusivity. Even if union has a low profile in Aus, it wouldn't go unnoticed if he went back to league.

Former Former · 18-04-2019 12:11pm

sydthebeat wrote: »

its making more headlines outside of australia than within actually.

if he wanted a rugby league contract there he could walk into one

Didn't the head of the NRL say they would refuse to register him?

Squidgy Black · 18-04-2019 12:12pm

There's another incident of homophobia from a rugby player that occured at the Hong Kong 7s.

Barstool sports were doing a sort of mockumentary, and one of their presenters was dressed as Freddie Mercury, who met a lovely young chap who plays for Canterbury and was part of the NZ U-20 setup. Starts at 4:00 in the video below:

https://youtu.be/KgLgQVbm3WI?t=243

https://twitter.com/donniedoesworld/status/1118526084461383686?s=21

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sydthebeat · 18-04-2019 12:41pm

Former Former wrote: »

Didn't the head of the NRL say they would refuse to register him?

just read that now.... fair dues to NRL for being so definitive !

18-04-2019 3:06pm

Needless and incredibly ignorant but the guy seems drunk and is young and stupid which leaves room for an apology and everyone moving on in my book.

Clegg · 18-04-2019 8:35pm

According to The Times, CVC are close to acquiring a controlling stake in the Pro 14. If that happens plans are in place for a grand final match between the winners of the Premiership and Pro 14.

joseywhales · 18-04-2019 10:35pm

Man that was embarrassing, I see a lot more zeros in this man's future. The guy who threw the "punch" is hilarious, he kind of pawed the kiwi guy like a cat with a piece of wool, great balls to even try though.

Squidgy Black · 18-04-2019 10:53pm

joseywhales wrote: »

Man that was embarrassing, I see a lot more zeros in this man's future. The guy who threw the "punch" is hilarious, he kind of pawed the kiwi guy like a cat with a piece of wool, great balls to even try though.

Yeah the attempt at a punch was incredible, was almost like a closed fist slap.

Jump_In_Jack · 23-04-2019 12:13pm

Came across a quote from Steve Jobs (legendary founder of Apple Computers),
"Don't be trapped by dogma — which is living with the results of other people's thinking."
How true.
People that won't question their "beliefs" because what they believe in is written in a book; a compendium of contradicting medieval ideologies, written generations ago, having since been translated and edited by unknown parties with unknown objectives. All while we have moved on to the age of information.
Those people really need to be called out for what they are, delusional.

deezell · 23-04-2019 12:27pm

Clegg wrote: »

According to The Times, CVC are close to acquiring a controlling stake in the Pro 14. If that happens plans are in place for a grand final match between the winners of the Premiership and Pro 14.

So Leinster will get to Play Saracens twice in two different finals. When? June maybe? Or a Charity shield type of distraction? What a load of B. Why not have a compromise rules game against tge gaa while they're at it. The leagues are totally disconnected, and the common ground is the champions/challenge cup. It would be like running a world cup (any code) in two different halves of the planet, split down the middle, with the eventual winners meeting somewhere in between for a 'grand' final. Rubbish. The only thing grand about the idea is the tens thousands of €grands the sponsors can smell. It's as ridiculous as the world club league idea.

troyzer · 23-04-2019 12:40pm

https://www.theguardian.com/sport/blog/2019/apr/23/empty-seats-champions-cup-looking-rejig-rugby-union-cvc-pro14

Thrashssacre · 23-04-2019 5:44pm

It’s worrying alright, Ronan o gara was discussing it earlyier. But I’m not sure how you entice more people through turn styles both had potential to be cracking games with 23s packed with internationals. They were huge matches and the apathy from the English especially was a bit scary I mean how many actual saracens fans were there does anyone know?

aloooof · 23-04-2019 5:46pm

Thrashssacre wrote: »

It’s worrying alright, Ronan o gara was discussing it earlyier. But I’m not sure how you entice more people through turn styles both had potential to be cracking games with 23s packed with internationals. They were huge matches and the apathy from the English especially was a bit scary I mean how many actual saracens fans were there does anyone know?

The stats I saw doing the rounds were 13k Munster vs 3k Saracens.

Eod100 · 23-04-2019 6:29pm

Clegg wrote: »

According to The Times, CVC are close to acquiring a controlling stake in the Pro 14. If that happens plans are in place for a grand final match between the winners of the Premiership and Pro 14.

Wonder where this would be played? Seems like a fairly unnecessary extension of season. Pro14 final already on end of May so will be like Top14 extending into June. Dunno would there be much appetite for it in RWC, Lions years and there's summer tours most of the rest.

errlloyd · 24-04-2019 11:27am

Eod100 wrote: »

Wonder where this would be played?

Definitely not the Millenium Stadium.

Burkie1203 · 24-04-2019 12:46pm

aloooof wrote: »

The stats I saw doing the rounds were 13k Munster vs 3k Saracens.

Attendance was 16k

Sarries apparently sold 3.5k

Assume there was 2-3k neutral

errlloyd · 24-04-2019 12:48pm

Burkie1203 wrote: »

Attendance was 16k

Sarries apparently sold 3.5k

Assume there was 2-3k neutral

On the Rugby Pod they said that Sarries requested 3k and didn't sell them all.

deezell · 24-04-2019 12:52pm

errlloyd wrote: »

On the Rugby Pod they said that Sarries requested 3k and didn't sell them all.

Shouldn't be a big deal to pick up a ticket for Newcastle so.

Clegg · 24-04-2019 1:03pm

deezell wrote: »

Shouldn't be a big deal to pick up a ticket for Newcastle so.

I'm not so sure how easy it will be. IIRC half of the tickets go to corporate sponsors. There'll be huge demand from Leinster fans, plus the fans of other sides who want to go for a weekend of rugby.

Eod100 · 24-04-2019 1:38pm

Clegg wrote: »

I'm not so sure how easy it will be. IIRC half of the tickets go to corporate sponsors. There'll be huge demand from Leinster fans, plus the fans of other sides who want to go for a weekend of rugby.

Think at this stage it's only the 9k for 2 of the finalists up for grabs. 42k sold beforehand apparently. Might be some fans look to offload tickets though

sydthebeat · 26-04-2019 9:48am

https://twitter.com/i/status/1121694793459830784

not a bad fend ......

:D:D:D

stephen_n · 26-04-2019 1:24pm

sydthebeat wrote: »

https://twitter.com/i/status/1121694793459830784

not a bad fend ......

:D:D:D

Considering how hard he hits, his missus must be a tough girl.

swiwi_ · 26-04-2019 6:49pm

sydthebeat wrote: »

https://twitter.com/i/status/1121694793459830784

not a bad fend ......

:D:D:D

He’s on fire. Jeweller might call him a knacker but he’s my knacker this season. I don’t approve of what he did but I do approve of giving people a second chance in life and he’s taking it with both hands.

Squidgy Black · 26-04-2019 6:58pm

swiwi_ wrote: »

He’s on fire. Jeweller might call him a knacker but he’s my knacker this season. I don’t approve of what he did but I do approve of giving people a second chance in life and he’s taking it with both hands.

Personal issues aside, he's been the breakout player of the season in Super Rugby.

swiwi_ · 26-04-2019 7:36pm

Squidgy Black wrote: »

Personal issues aside, he's been the breakout player of the season in Super Rugby.

My personal pick for rookie of the season is Braydon Ennor. Looks a really serious prospect IMHO even more so than Will Jordan who has been getting a lot of praise.

I was thinking about Leinster vs Crusaders but it’s hard to judge as the crusaders backs are generally pretty callow. Only Crotty is really long in the tooth now that dagg has retired.

Erik Shun · 27-04-2019 4:58am

So France are looking to put together a new setup after the world cup... Fabien Galthié as coach, Raphael Ibanez as manager..
and reports that Shaun Edwards is now being offered a 4 year contract as defence coach with ROG supposedly not interested in taking up a post with the French squad

stephen_n · 27-04-2019 11:09am

Erik Shun wrote: »

So France are looking to put together a new setup after the world cup... Fabien Galthié as coach, Raphael Ibanez as manager..
and reports that Shaun Edwards is now being offered a 4 year contract as defence coach with ROG supposedly not interested in taking up a post with the French squad

Shaun Edwards just re-committed to Wales, so it doesn’t look like that will happen.

Erik Shun · 27-04-2019 11:19am

stephen_n wrote: »

Shaun Edwards just re-committed to Wales, so it doesn’t look like that will happen.

That's what Wigan thought too

stephen_n · 27-04-2019 1:22pm

Erik Shun wrote: »

That's what Wigan thought too

We all know a few rumors around contract renewals never go a miss

Erik Shun · 27-04-2019 1:48pm

stephen_n wrote: »

We all know a few rumors around contract renewals never go a miss

Ah it was a bit more than that...he had talks..told them he was taking the job...and then backed out,
I'm guessing there's legs to the French story alright... whether it happens or not... dunno

sydthebeat · 28-04-2019 6:45pm

Enniscorty win towns cup 10 - 9 against Wicklow

sydthebeat · 02-05-2019 3:31pm

so shaun edwards is going SOMEWHERE after the RWC

https://www.ultimaterugby.com/news/shaun-edwards%27-wales-departure-confirmed/616148

Jump_In_Jack · 02-05-2019 7:18pm

Anyone willing to do build up threads for the Pro14 quarters?

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