Leinster Team Talk/Gossip/Rumours Thread IV

thomond2006 · 23-04-2014 8:27am

Bent couldn't possibly get 160k a year if he's third choice!

blackdog1 · 23-04-2014 9:15am

thomond2006 wrote: »

Bent couldn't possibly get 160k a year if he's third choice!

He has to be very close to it. Th is one of the top paid players and ross' s wages are being paid by irfu. Heard moore was offered 200k to move to exeter. So whether you like it or not it is probably true. 160k a year.

thomond2006 · 23-04-2014 9:17am

blackdog1 wrote: »

He has to be very close to it. Th is one of the top paid players and ross' s wages are being paid by irfu. Heard moore was offered 200k to move to exeter. So whether you like it or not it is probably true. 160k a year.

I neither like it nor dislike it, but it's a lot of money going towards a third choice player.

.ak · 23-04-2014 9:18am

It's 160k over two years.

Ugo Monye spacecraft experience · 23-04-2014 9:20am

blackdog1 wrote: »

He has to be very close to it. Th is one of the top paid players and ross' s wages are being paid by irfu. Heard moore was offered 200k to move to exeter. So whether you like it or not it is probably true. 160k a year.

It's not true. There's no way in hell he signed a contract to earn 160k a year having only ever played ITM rugby

on the river · 23-04-2014 9:26am

Ugo Monye spacecraft experience wrote: »

It's not true. There's no way in hell he signed a contract to earn 160k a year having only ever played ITM rugby

all that hard work that bent does justifies his payment.

He deserves and needs it.

blackdog1 · 23-04-2014 9:35am

Ugo Monye spacecraft experience wrote: »

It's not true. There's no way in hell he signed a contract to earn 160k a year having only ever played ITM rugby

He was signed originally on 150-160k a year is what I heard. He didn't take 80k of a cut.

Jaggo · 23-04-2014 9:35am

Poor Mr. Bent, the man does absolutely nothing and it provokes controversy.

Buer · 23-04-2014 9:35am

CatFromHue wrote: »

Well it depends on what he was signed on originally.

I can't see him taking much of a pay cut since he got here no matter what the Branch think of him and I can't see him coming over for small money either.

His situation is completely different to Sexton too, the Union were taking the piss with him (hence him moving to Racing).

Bent was signed in late March 2012. He had about 5 S15 appearances in his career at that point. I can't see him commanding a particularly big salary. I would have expected him to be on about €90k at that point which would be a serious jump in salary for a bloke who was generally a NPC player where the maximum salary is 60k NZD or about €38k (I'm sure he'd have been getting bumped a bit from being in the Hurricanes squad).

If he has been given a huge jump in salary then fair play to him but it flies in the face of everything we've seen about salaries in the past. I'm sure most of us saw the interview with Muldoon a couple of years ago who said that an experienced Pro12 player who isn't in the international shake up can hope to be on about €120k.

Personally, I think the €80k notion is a bit low and he's probably on more than that but I would struggle to buy into the idea that he's on as much as €160k regardless of his position or his two international sub appearances.

John_C · 23-04-2014 11:38am

We need to remember the context when he was signed. International teams still needed an ambidextrous prop on the bench and Tom Court had recently gotten destroyed in Twickenham. Ireland desperately needed a TH who could cover LH. Bent had the skills and the necessary ancestry so he would have been in a string position negotiating his salary.

CIARAN_BOYLE · 23-04-2014 11:44am

John_C wrote: »

We need to remember the context when he was signed. International teams still needed an ambidextrous prop on the bench and Tom Court had recently gotten destroyed in Twickenham. Ireland desperately needed a TH who could cover LH. Bent had the skills and the necessary ancestry so he would have been in a string position negotiating his salary.

He was signed when 23 man squads had been anounced

Ugo Monye spacecraft experience · 23-04-2014 11:44am

John_C wrote: »

We need to remember the context when he was signed. International teams still needed an ambidextrous prop on the bench and Tom Court had recently gotten destroyed in Twickenham. Ireland desperately needed a TH who could cover LH. Bent had the skills and the necessary ancestry so he would have been in a string position negotiating his salary.

He was signed by Leinster though, not by Ireland. And the 23 man rule as in place at that stage

danthefan · 23-04-2014 11:47am

Ugo Monye spacecraft experience wrote: »

He was signed by Leinster though, not by Ireland. And the 23 man rule as in place at that stage

Cmon. The fact he was immediately IQ is why he was signed.

John_C · 23-04-2014 12:01pm

CIARAN_BOYLE wrote: »

He was signed when 23 man squads had been anounced

Fair enough, I must be remembering wrong.

Buer · 23-04-2014 12:04pm

John_C wrote: »

We need to remember the context when he was signed. International teams still needed an ambidextrous prop on the bench and Tom Court had recently gotten destroyed in Twickenham. Ireland desperately needed a TH who could cover LH. Bent had the skills and the necessary ancestry so he would have been in a string position negotiating his salary.

When he signed, it was strongly rumoured that the 23 man squads were on the way and, by the time he was here, they were in place. We already had Court, Loughney and Fitzpatrick who could prop on both sides. For all the criticism that Court took, does a better job on both sides than Bent.

Regardless of that, Leinster signed him, not the IRFU and they had 23 man squads at that time already.

Buer · 23-04-2014 12:05pm

CIARAN_BOYLE wrote: »

He was signed when 23 man squads had been anounced

They weren't at international level.

irishbucsfan · 23-04-2014 12:10pm

Buer wrote: »

They weren't at international level.

They weren't implemented. but they were incoming. They were implemented by the time he arrived, as the IRFU knew they would be. He was not signed to play 17 in 22-man squads for Ireland.

salmocab · 23-04-2014 12:11pm

is it my turn to claim I know how much Bent is on yet?

justsomebloke · 23-04-2014 12:14pm

danthefan wrote: »

Cmon. The fact he was immediately IQ is why he was signed.

This. The new NIQ rules forced the Irish provinces to look further a field for IQ'ed talent. The rules meant that only 1 out of the at least 9 players needed by the provinces could be NIQ and at the time we didn't have 8 decent IQ players.

Hagz · 23-04-2014 1:09pm

The average Leinster player is on around 70k per annum. It's simply rubbish that Bent is on 160k a year.

on the river · 23-04-2014 1:15pm

Hagz wrote: »

The average Leinster player is on around 70k per annum. It's simply rubbish that Bent is on 160k a year.

i think he meant 16 thousand per year.

Ugo Monye spacecraft experience · 23-04-2014 1:16pm

on the river wrote: »

i think he meant 16 thousand per year.

No he didn't. That's less than minimum wage

irishbucsfan · 23-04-2014 1:24pm

on the river wrote: »

i think he meant 16 thousand per year.

:pac:

Classic KenM!

Hagz · 23-04-2014 1:34pm

Ugo Monye spacecraft experience wrote: »

No he didn't. That's less than minimum wage

Unless he's on a development contract. There are guys on dv's that make half that.

awec · 23-04-2014 2:00pm

If Bent, as a third choice provincial prop is on 160 grand a year then there must be some amount of money floating about the Leinster branch.

There is not a hope. I'd be surprised if his annual salary broke the 100k barrier.

That said, with regard to the average Leinster salary being ~70k does that include all the development / backup players who'll be on relatively "normal" salaries? It must do, which may skew it a bit.

Hagz · 23-04-2014 2:32pm

Definitley doesn't include the dv's, but certainly your Denton's, Roux's, Auva'a's etc.

salmocab · 23-04-2014 4:35pm

I heard he's on more than Barrack Obama but less than Enda Kenny.

Dravokivich · 23-04-2014 4:48pm

One last turn folks, Higher or Lower :pac:

danthefan · 23-04-2014 5:12pm

I heard they gave him a solid gold house a rocket car when he arrived.

thomond2006 · 23-04-2014 5:14pm

danthefan wrote: »

I heard they gave him a solid gold house a rocket car when he arrived.

Bent's Brucesy Bonus!

salmocab · 23-04-2014 5:26pm

danthefan wrote: »

I heard they gave him a solid gold house a rocket car when he arrived.

your full of **** Dan I saw that house its not solid gold looked more like leaf to me

Heroditas · 23-04-2014 5:49pm

He heard he had a hoverboard so f**k the lot of you!

awec · 23-04-2014 8:26pm

Hagz wrote: »

Definitley doesn't include the dv's, but certainly your Denton's, Roux's, Auva'a's etc.

Yea that's what I meant.

I'm sure there are plenty of players in the 60/70/80k bracket which is going to drag the average down.

ArmchairQB · 23-04-2014 8:54pm

The likes of Dev, Maty, Jordi and Rhys would have gotten a decent boost to their main salary with their Irish caps

Morf · 24-04-2014 2:40am

Jaggo wrote: »

Poor Mr. Bent, the man does absolutely nothing and it provokes controversy.

That beard is all good publicity IMO.

Buer wrote: »

I'm sure most of us saw the interview with Muldoon a couple of years ago who said that an experienced Pro12 player who isn't in the international shake up can hope to be on about €120k.

That IRB one with Mackintosh now with Chiefs and a Saffer barrel of a prop?

I'm pretty sure I had Muldoon on about €80k then from memory.

Larbre34 · 24-04-2014 9:56am

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For your information, I'm on a million Kiwi dollars. Or Australian. Or maybe Singapore? Pretty sure I stopped off there on my way here.

Anyway, stop talking about me.

Regards
Mike Bent.

salmocab · 24-04-2014 10:10am

5 pages of speculation of what Bent earns this is our punishment for not beating Toulon. This should have been an exciting week for us and this is what we have reduced ourselves to doing.

CIARAN_BOYLE · 24-04-2014 10:11am

On more important matters who is going to Wales for the A match and will give us a good match report

Heroditas · 24-04-2014 11:33am

salmocab wrote: »

5 pages of speculation of what Bent earns this is our punishment for not beating Toulon. This should have been an exciting week for us and this is what we have reduced ourselves to doing.

Just wait until the season ends. :P

Hagz · 24-04-2014 12:02pm

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nH-HlzQIZt8

molloyjh · 24-04-2014 12:43pm

Hagz wrote: »

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nH-HlzQIZt8

Poor Jenno...."When I was a young lad we didn't have all these fancy widgety-bobs.....".

ssaye2 · 24-04-2014 12:55pm

Any update on the lock, rumours on LF but mostly just that.

With Leo and possibly Roux going its well needed for the new RABO league especially during International periods at the very least.

Talk of Kane Douglas leaving in a world cup year even though he is happy but maybe too big an option and would be unavailable like Zane or maybe we are buying players who rhyme with Zane.

A project player/Gopperth type available all year more likely I imagine

Hagz · 24-04-2014 1:12pm

I can't imagine we'll be going for a project player. I think MOC has plans to get the biggest acquisition he can. Kane Douglas sounds about right.

former legend · 24-04-2014 1:14pm

ssaye2 wrote: »

A project player/Gopperth type available all year more likely I imagine

That's the way of it now unfortunately.

It's mad that when we won the HC in 2009, we had Contepomi, Elsom, Whitaker, van der Linde and Nacewa; only Stan Wright was not an established star when he arrived. It's unlikely we'll ever be able or allowed to attract that calibre of player again.