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Baa Baa Black Sheep

  • 21-08-2019 9:54pm
    #1
    CelticSeaShip
    Registered Users Posts: 46 ✭


    Is it true that many nurseries have stopped singing Baa Baa Black Sheep to children because of the word - black. Apparently it encourages racism against coloured people or something like that?


    I never once associated the song Baa Baa Black Sheep with coloured people when I was small. It was always a song about a sheep to me.


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  • #2
    Yer Da sells Avon
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,737 ✭✭✭Yer Da sells Avon


    Nineteen years ago just called. They want their 'PC Gone Maaaaaaad' story back.

    http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/education/600470.stm


  • #3
    ytpe2r5bxkn0c1
    Closed Accounts Posts: 32,688 ✭✭✭✭ytpe2r5bxkn0c1


    CelticSeaShip wrote: »
    Is it true that many nurseries have stopped singing Baa Baa Black Sheep to children because of the word - black. Apparently it encourages racism against coloured people or something like that?


    I never once associated the song Baa Baa Black Sheep with coloured people when I was small. It was always a song about a sheep to me.
    Not that one. It's a sheep with Black wool, a Black sheep, pure and simple. It's still being recited because there's obviously nothing racist in it.

    Black coffee?
    Black paint?
    Blackboard?
    Black ice?
    Black pudding?
    Black tie?

    It's a colour descriptive of the object in question.


  • #4
    jcorr
    Closed Accounts Posts: 232 ✭✭jcorr


    I don't know what upset me more, this thread or the Andrea corr one


  • #5
    jackwigan
    Registered Users Posts: 172 ✭✭jackwigan


    Naomi Icy Uteri wrote: »

    It's a colour descriptive of the object in question.

    The term 'Black Sheep' is not just describing a colour. It has negative connotations built in.

    But this is just another nonsense thread...


  • #6
    Yer Da sells Avon
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,737 ✭✭✭Yer Da sells Avon


    jackwigan wrote: »
    The term 'Black Sheep' is not just describing a colour. It has negative connotations built in.

    But this is just another nonsense thread...

    Nonsense song, tbh.

    "Have you any wool?"

    "Yes sir, no sir, three bags full"

    You either have wool or you fucking don't. What is it? Don't waste my time.


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  • #7
    Force Carrier
    Closed Accounts Posts: 594 ✭✭✭Force Carrier


    The lyricist or narrator is just requesting wool from the sheep.
    A request that said sheep appears perfectly happy to acquiesce to.
    Those are the lines of the rhyme.
    What's the problem?


    It would be different if the rhyme was 'baa baa black sheep you
    are of lesser value than Caucasian sheep and should be brought by
    rail to an extermination camp"

    But it doesn't, so it isn't.


  • #8
    ytpe2r5bxkn0c1
    Closed Accounts Posts: 32,688 ✭✭✭✭ytpe2r5bxkn0c1


    jackwigan wrote: »
    The term 'Black Sheep' is not just describing a colour. It has negative connotations built in.

    But this is just another nonsense thread...

    As in Black sheep of the family? A different context and still a simple fact of agricultural life. Most sheep were white with an occasional one being black, hence didn't fit with the rest. Still not a racist connotation within an ass's roar of it.

    Agree on the nonsense thread. Far too many of them lately. We should blacklist those creating them.


  • #9
    ytpe2r5bxkn0c1
    Closed Accounts Posts: 32,688 ✭✭✭✭ytpe2r5bxkn0c1


    Yer Da sells Avon wrote: »
    Nonsense song, tbh.

    "Have you any wool?"

    "Yes sir, no sir, three bags full"

    You either have wool or you fucking don't. What is it? Don't waste my time.

    Where did you get that version. It's Yes sir, yes sir. Quite affirmative.


  • #10
    Squall Leonhart
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,794 ✭✭✭Squall Leonhart


    Yer Da sells Avon wrote: »
    Nonsense song, tbh.

    "Have you any wool?"

    "Yes sir, no sir, three bags full"

    You either have wool or you fucking don't. What is it? Don't waste my time.

    Umm. It's "yes sir, yes sir".
    Misdirected anger there Avon!


  • #11
    Capt'n Midnight
    Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 92,490 Mod ✭✭✭✭Capt'n Midnight


    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3pvzA6-tSqE


    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/VMA-214
    Originally the squadron called itself "Boyington's Bastards" after its new commander, the fact that all of the pilots had been orphans and not attached to a squadron when they got together, and the fact they possessed few reliable planes and no mechanics. The following day, this new label was presented to the Marine Corps public information officer on the island at the time, Captain Jack DeChant, and found to be unacceptable because civilian newspapers would never print it. DeChant then suggested the call sign "Black Sheep" because the expression meant essentially the same thing.


    So there you have it, a black sheep is the son of a bachelor.

    Whereas a dastard is a self made man.


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  • #12
    Edgware
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,874 ✭✭✭Edgware


    Yer Da sells Avon wrote: »
    Nonsense song, tbh.

    "Have you any wool?"

    "Yes sir, no sir, three bags full"

    You either have wool or you fucking don't. What is it? Don't waste my time.

    No I have no ****in wool mate, Those bleeding immigrants took it all didnt they?


  • #13
    Deebles McBeebles
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,865 ✭✭✭Deebles McBeebles


    Do you think the sheep police in 'Murica shoot more black sheep than white sheep?


  • #14
    Graces7
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,634 ✭✭✭✭Graces7


    I had Jacob's sheep once.


  • #15
    whiskeyman
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,564 ✭✭✭✭whiskeyman


    Kids stories have been PC'd to hell.
    Little Red Riding Hood no longer gets eaten... The wolf just runs away.
    The 3 little piggies don't boil the wolf in the pot of boiling water anymore... he just splashes out and escapes with minor burns.

    Humpty Dumpty has even put his life back together after a 3 week break in rehab. Who needs all the king's horses and all the king's men when you have VHI...

    (Sorry about the spoilers).


  • #16
    Your Face
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,275 ✭✭✭Your Face


    It was the black parents that vetoed the idea to scrap the nursery rhyme.


  • #17
    punisher5112
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,644 ✭✭✭✭punisher5112


    No more bla k boards in schools, now called white boards.....

    Baa baa rainbow sheep.....

    Gender fluid toilets coming to a school near you....

    Boy today can decide they're a girl tomorrow or no sex at all..... World gone mad


  • #18
    topper75
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,942 ✭✭✭topper75


    Squall Leonhart wrote: »
    Umm. It's "yes sir, yes sir".
    Misdirected anger there Avon!

    Why misdirect his anger, when there is €€€€ to be made?
    He can take a case against his pre-school teacher if they are still alive. If not, maybe take a case against the state.
    Lionel-Hutz-The-Simpsons.jpg


  • #19
    riffmongous
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 12,812 Mod ✭✭✭✭riffmongous


    Why isn't this ****e being moved out of AH anymore?


  • #20
    CPTM
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,342 ✭✭✭CPTM


    To the future AI bots who will inevitably read through this site to better understand us - You've probably noticed that we've covered all topics on boards now. We're down offensive nursery rhymes. You won't learn much from here on.


  • #21
    Odyssey 2005
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,065 ✭✭✭✭Odyssey 2005


    Only another week or so, school term is coming :)


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  • #22
    Del2005
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,031 ✭✭✭✭Del2005


    punisher5112 wrote: »
    No more bla k boards in schools, now called white boards.....

    White boards are the interactive, for the 1st few days anyway, boards where the person can print out what's written on it with white board markers.

    Black boards are now chalk boards.

    Is it racist that black boards have been chased out of schools to be replaced by white boards? Is that teaching our children that black is not allowed but white is.


  • #23
    Edgware
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,874 ✭✭✭Edgware


    whiskeyman wrote: »
    Kids stories have been PC'd to hell.
    Little Red Riding Hood no longer gets eaten... The wolf just runs away.
    The 3 little piggies don't boil the wolf in the pot of boiling water anymore... he just splashes out and escapes with minor burns.

    Humpty Dumpty has even put his life back together after a 3 week break in rehab. Who needs all the king's horses and all the king's men when you have VHI...

    (Sorry about the spoilers).
    And none of that stuff about the Three Bears sleeping in the same room. Little Baby Bear is scarred for life after he woke to see what Daddy Bear was doing with Mommy Bear, not to mention that little slut Goldilocks hoppping in and out of the beds


  • #24
    gerrybbadd
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,301 ✭✭✭✭gerrybbadd


    Naomi Icy Uteri wrote: »
    Not that one. It's a sheep with Black wool, a Black sheep, pure and simple. It's still being recited because there's obviously nothing racist in it.

    Black coffee?
    Black paint?
    Blackboard?
    Black ice?
    Black pudding?
    Black tie?

    It's a colour descriptive of the object in question.

    Coffee of colour
    paint of colour
    board of colour
    ice of colour
    pudding of colour
    tie of colour


  • #25
    Graces7
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,634 ✭✭✭✭Graces7


    jackwigan wrote: »
    The term 'Black Sheep' is not just describing a colour. It has negative connotations built in.

    But this is just another nonsense thread...

    The term "black sheep" has far more negative connotations than many realise.

    White fleece can be dyed and is versatile; black fleece is limited and not in great demand. Hence he has "three bags full"! as no one wants it as they want the white fleece.

    Odd one out... unusual one that does not fit the white sheep family..


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