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Cannabis Oil cures cancer? [Mod note #1]

  • 18-10-2010 2:27am
    #1
    pablo_escobar
    Closed Accounts Posts: 240 ✭✭


    Anyone seen the film "Run From The Cure" ?

    Rick Simpson claims that Cannabis oil cured his cancer.
    Many other people who had various diseases also claim to have been cured by this oil.

    You can watch Run From the Cure below..

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0psJhQHk_GI


    thoughts about this? seems crazy it would be kept secret for so long.


    Mod note: this thread is about one thing - cannabis and cancer.
    Any other discussion about legalising it or general cannabis promotion/discussion will be removed and infracted.


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  • #2
    Fizman
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,605 ✭✭✭Fizman


    Hmmmm. A thread created by the worlds most notorious drug lord.......promoting the idea that Cannabis oil cures cancel?

    Recession biting you too Pablo my old flower?


  • #3
    pablo_escobar
    Closed Accounts Posts: 240 ✭✭pablo_escobar


    it's a sincere post, but probably in the wrong forum.

    i know someone who has terminal cancer, it's sad that my friend could not try this oil because the plant is illegal...it could save his life yet we might never know.


  • #4
    policarp
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,664 ✭✭✭policarp


    7th son of a 7th son cures lots of things.
    So does Antibiotics.


  • #5
    pablo_escobar
    Closed Accounts Posts: 240 ✭✭pablo_escobar


    Rick Simpson doesn't sell hemp oil so what's his motivation other than to help other people suffering?

    since the video is almost 1 hour long, you hardly absorbed the content in 9 minutes..


  • #6
    policarp
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,664 ✭✭✭policarp


    Pablo.
    Your'e supposed to be dead.


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  • #7
    PanchoVilla
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,053 ✭✭✭PanchoVilla


    Cannabinoids have been clinically proven to cure many things but cannabis is still prohibited because you can't patent a plant. Big pharma doesn't like that. They've created synthetic cannabinoids (Marinol etc.) but users claim it's not as effective as the real thing and costs much more.

    At the end of the day the only thing you can do is say fúck the prohibition, grow your own, and run the risk of being caught. I think most courts would be lenient if you explain you only grow it for yourself and use it medicinally. It's time we stand up for ourselves and demand an end to this ridiculous prohibition.


  • #8
    Mr Benevolent
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12,456 ✭✭✭✭Mr Benevolent


    Man, it's been ages since the last marijuana debate.


  • #9
    pablo_escobar
    Closed Accounts Posts: 240 ✭✭pablo_escobar


    PanchoVilla wrote: »
    Cannabinoids have been clinically proven to cure many things but cannabis is still prohibited because you can't patent a plant. Big pharma doesn't like that. They've created synthetic cannabinoids (Marinol etc.) but users claim it's not as effective as the real thing and costs much more.

    At the end of the day the only thing you can do is say fúck the prohibition, grow your own, and run the risk of being caught. I think most courts would be lenient if you explain you only grow it for yourself and use it medicinally. It's time we stand up for ourselves and demand an end to this ridiculous prohibition.

    it's insane they would synthesize properties of a plant which are more expensive and less effective in treating ill people...but keep the real thing illegal!!

    the problem certainly appears to be one of politics and money.
    if the pharma companies can't make money, no point promoting it.

    that makes sense from a business perspective but clearly they don't genuinely care about helping people get better from sickness.


  • #10
    Pdfile
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,115 ✭✭✭Pdfile


    does it Actually work though... :confused:


  • #11
    old_aussie
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,410 ✭✭✭old_aussie


    policarp wrote: »
    Pablo.
    Your'e supposed to be dead.

    The good oil saved him


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  • #12
    Setun
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,805 ✭✭✭Setun


    policarp wrote: »
    7th son of a 7th son cures lots of things.
    So does Antibiotics.
    Unfortunately, I think cancer requires something a little bit more rigorous than a course of antibiotics.


  • #13
    bazmaiden
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,039 ✭✭✭bazmaiden


    I think that money is the cure...


    or is that for aids?


  • #14
    FreudianSlippers
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,397 ✭✭✭✭FreudianSlippers


    There is little to no empirical evidence that suggests that cannabis oil has any effect on cancer. There is evidence, however, that smoking marijuana increases the appetite in patients who are having trouble eating due to the chemotherapy.


  • #15
    Zulu
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,965 ✭✭✭✭Zulu


    Yes cannabis cure cancer :rolleyes:

    ...and that's why we take chemo: just for the shits giggles & so big pharma can make a profit.


  • #16
    PanchoVilla
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,053 ✭✭✭PanchoVilla


    OisinT wrote: »
    There is little to no empirical evidence that suggests that cannabis oil has any effect on cancer. There is evidence, however, that smoking marijuana increases the appetite in patients who are having trouble eating due to the chemotherapy.
    Autophagy can promote cell survival or cell death, but the molecular basis underlying its dual role in cancer remains obscure. Here we demonstrate that Δ9-tetrahydrocannabinol (THC), the main active component of marijuana, induces human glioma cell death through stimulation of autophagy. Our data indicate that THC induced ceramide accumulation and eukaryotic translation initiation factor 2α (eIF2α) phosphorylation and thereby activated an ER stress response that promoted autophagy via tribbles homolog 3–dependent (TRB3-dependent) inhibition of the Akt/mammalian target of rapamycin complex 1 (mTORC1) axis. We also showed that autophagy is upstream of apoptosis in cannabinoid-induced human and mouse cancer cell death and that activation of this pathway was necessary for the antitumor action of cannabinoids in vivo. These findings describe a mechanism by which THC can promote the autophagic death of human and mouse cancer cells and provide evidence that cannabinoid administration may be an effective therapeutic strategy for targeting human cancers.

    http://www.jci.org/articles/view/37948

    Cannabinoids, the active components in marijuana, are used to reduce the side effects of cancer treatment, such as pain, weight loss, and vomiting, but there is increasing evidence that they may also inhibit tumor cell growth. However, the cellular mechanisms behind this are unknown.

    http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2007/12/071226004546.htm

    Those were the first two search results I got when I googled "cannabinoids cancer".


  • #17
    CathyMoran
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,458 ✭✭✭CathyMoran


    OisinT wrote: »
    There is little to no empirical evidence that suggests that cannabis oil has any effect on cancer. There is evidence, however, that smoking marijuana increases the appetite in patients who are having trouble eating due to the chemotherapy.
    It is actually used in the US with some people who are survivors of oesophageal cancer (the cancer that I was diagnosed with in 2006). We tend to have very poor appetites after the surgery. I found a good way of getting my appetite back - thank you baby Shane, you have helped mummy.


  • #18
    Nichololas
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,186 ✭✭✭Nichololas


    I switched from diesel to cannabis oil, now my car takes ages to start up and is prone to long meandering drives in the countryside :(


  • #19
    mikom
    Closed Accounts Posts: 16,391 ✭✭✭✭mikom


    CathyMoran wrote: »
    I found a good way of getting my appetite back - thank you baby Shane, you have helped mummy.

    And when daddy's appetite is gone............


  • #20
    celtic Liger
    Closed Accounts Posts: 103 ✭✭celtic Liger


    do you know how much revenue pharmaceutical companies would be down, if it were proven a plant thats grown in the dirt, could cure cancer?? hundreds of thousands of worldwide jobs would be lost.

    and on another note, buying products in your local supermarket that are donating a percentage of their profits to cancer research studies will never, ever cure cancer.

    cancer = profit


  • #21
    theillest
    Registered Users Posts: 73 ✭✭theillest


    http://www.cannabisni.com/cannabis-documentaries/1984-what-if-cannabis-cured-cancer-documentary

    Theres is now a new documentary i watched the other day giving scientific explination behind the rick simpson story,they reckon CBD can cure a range of life threatning deiseses....obviously your going to get all these people syaing awwh that bull**** just noather sotner story lal la la but sure the proofs there....


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  • #22
    stephendevlin
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,307 ✭✭✭stephendevlin


    They will burn you with radiation but if you smoked a plant theyd lock you up.

    Wonderful world


  • #23
    lcrcboy
    Registered Users Posts: 562 ✭✭✭lcrcboy


    main reason which started the anti marijuana movement is as follows:The intense anti-marijuana movement of the 1930s dovetailed nicely with the intense anti-Chicano movement of the 1930s. Marijuana was associated with Mexican Americans, and a ban on marijuana was seen as a way of discouraging Mexican-American subcultures from developing.

    Today, thanks in large part to the very public popularity of marijuana among whites during the 1960s and 1970s, marijuana is no longer seen as what one might call an ethnic drug--but the groundwork for the anti-marijuana movement was laid down at a time when marijuana was seen as an encroachment on the U.S. majority-white culture.


  • #24
    Genghiz Cohen
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,182 ✭✭✭Genghiz Cohen


    No money = no cure conspiracy theorists Read zis plx.


  • #25
    reallyoriginal
    Closed Accounts Posts: 8 ✭reallyoriginal


    apparently it does work- the law has a few holes in it but i do believe in sworn affadavits. however you should look into bread soda and maple syrup. apparently the mixture works and is not illegal.


  • #26
    Seachmall
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,041 ✭✭✭Seachmall


    Cancer Research UK have a good article for anyone interested:

    - Cannabis For Treating Cancer?

    Note:
    Smoking cannabis, particularly when mixed with tobacco, is likely to increase rather that decrease cancer risk, although the evidence for this is mixed.

    The chemicals need to be extracted, you can't just roll and smoke away the cancer.


  • #27
    degausserxo
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,492 ✭✭✭degausserxo




  • #28
    Seachmall
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,041 ✭✭✭Seachmall


    degausserxo wrote: »

    Cannabis Cure For Brain Cancer Headline Is Misleading


  • #29
    hidinginthebush
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,679 ✭✭✭hidinginthebush


    Seachmall wrote: »
    Cannabis Cure For Brain Cancer Headline Is Misleading

    I think it's sickening that a newspaper are allowed to misrepresent the facts like that. What's to say that parents of children suffering brain cancer reading this won't go out and stop the chemotherapy and put their child on high doses of weed in a bid to "cure" their cancer. It's no different to throwing your lot in with any other alternative medicine and expecting a miracle cure. Without definite research and unbiased clinical trials to indicate that one treatment actually works, it would be foolish to do anything other than what your doctors recommend, or do conspiracy theorists believe that doctors want everybody to die?

    Read Bad Science by Ben Goldacre, he talks at length about how often science is misrepresented in the media. As a someone who's profession is best described as "scientist", it really annoys me to see this happen. Also, as an occasional weed user, sure I would like to see it legalised, and it has been show as an appetite stimulant in people undergoing chemotherapy. Also, chemicals found in marijuana killing cancer cells growing in isolation in a lab is very different to "smoking weed cures cancer".


  • #30
    theillest
    Registered Users Posts: 73 ✭✭theillest


    Dont think anybody saind smoking weed cure cancer.This is whats going to throw people off.Smoking a spliff is not going to cure your cancer,especially here in ireland because the cannbis we get is produced to get you heavily stoned,meaning it is mostly made up of thc.Medicinal Marijuana on the other hand contains mostly CBD which has been proven to rejuvenate good cells and destory unheathy cells.

    I know to most people here it just seems like a stupid stoner story or what ever,i was sceptical about the whole rick simpsons story at first too even though there was people who had said yes i have been cured by rick simpsons.But the documentary What if cannbis cured cancer just shows the science behind the rick simpson story.


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  • #31
    Guy:Incognito
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 38,247 ✭✭✭✭Guy:Incognito


    Theres plenty of peopel who claim a guy with a tv show and an alter cured them of various things from paraylsis to cancer just by touching their foreheads too.

    I remain skeptical


  • #32
    Mike 1972
    Closed Accounts Posts: 8,018 ✭✭✭Mike 1972


    Nichololas wrote: »
    I switched from diesel to cannabis oil,

    The way the price of diesel is going it wont be long before everyones at it.


  • #33
    theillest
    Registered Users Posts: 73 ✭✭theillest


    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TOLedLotnxI


  • #34
    120_Minutes
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,706 ✭✭✭120_Minutes


    In before our favourite scatologist gives his flawed 2c using phrases like; "John Q taxpayer" "hippies" "Tax Eurons" and "Pal"


  • #35
    Zulu
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,965 ✭✭✭✭Zulu


    What if people actually understood that cancer wasn't a particular disease, but rather a term used to cover a broad spectrum of diseases?

    Perhaps then they'd stop with the cock-o-crap cannabis cures cancer. Fucking annoying free the week children.


  • #36
    biko
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 81,220 ✭✭✭✭biko


    Mod note: this thread is about one thing: cannabis and cancer.
    Any other discussion about legalising it or general cannabis promotion will be removed and infracted.


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  • #37
    Logical Fallacy
    Registered Users Posts: 5,933 ✭✭✭Logical Fallacy


    Assorted studies that make some reference to the effects of cannabinoids on cancer.

    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/21532172

    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/21475304

    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19690545

    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/20649976

    Basically most studies that I can find are saying that their are some good signs and more research should be done.


  • #38
    mikom
    Closed Accounts Posts: 16,391 ✭✭✭✭mikom


    Zulu wrote: »
    Fucking annoying free the week children.

    Yeah, free the day children are so much more worthy.


  • #39
    Isard
    Registered Users Posts: 104 ✭✭Isard


    Oil? Well, my Mum's friend happened to be ill once and he went to some old woman who claimed to be able to cure any disease. My Mum and I went with him, it was just interesting. She "prescribed" him oil, told my Mum the same and she thought I also had to rub myself with oil. I had allergies at the time and it was cured:D
    Now I quarrelled with my boyfriend. If my heart aches, should I take some oil?:cool:


  • #40
    thebigbiffo
    Registered Users Posts: 2,941 ✭✭✭thebigbiffo


    Cannabis oil is very easily made and the cannabis plant is very easy grown - any cancer patient who feels like they want to try this treatment would find that they could start their first course within 3 months from scratch.

    Dealing with a life treathening or terminal illness is a very very personal experience - to dictate to the sufferer what they can and cannot try to alleviate either the pain or try reverse the course of their disease goes against natural human morality imo and therefore should not be based in law.

    There is a certain level of evidence cannabis can work - but even if there wasn't a patient who believe's in it should never be stopped from using it...state of mind is a massive element of both seeing through the illness and possibly beating it and it's an element all too often overlooked in modern medicine and society.

    I think it's disgraceful that society dictates what is acceptable for a seriously ill patient take to help them feel better - especially if it's relatively harmless.

    I'm with the CT's on this - big pharma and their lobbyists around the world would never let a drug with so many uses become legal as the damage to their profits would be mindboggling. This is where the battle will be lost.


  • #41
    MagicSean
    Closed Accounts Posts: 9,897 ✭✭✭MagicSean


    Afaik the Dept of Health are in the process of legislating for the use cannabis based medication. I'll try find where i read about it.

    EDIT: http://www.thejournal.ie/government-may-move-to-allow-prescribed-cannabis-into-ireland-119571-Apr2011/


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  • #42
    thebigbiffo
    Registered Users Posts: 2,941 ✭✭✭thebigbiffo


    Seanbeag1 wrote: »
    Afaik the Dept of Health are in the process of legislating for the use cannabis based medication. I'll try find where i read about it.

    Yeah 'cannabis based medicine' - I read a study which says it's the unique way in which the plant itself combines the hundreds of different chemicals (when smoked, ingested or otherwise administered straight fro plant form) which makes it so useful across such a wide range of symptoms and diseases. Apparently we're an age away from synthesizing this unique combination. Anyone who's ever smoked the old headshop smokes knows that - even though they were produced by backstreet chemists it was still synthetic THC - the high was completely different to normal weed. Combine this with the fact that the plant itself is the most cross bred plant in mankinds history and it makes senses that the exact reasons the plant, and it's various strains, work so well for so many ailments is almost impossible to determine chemically.


  • #43
    Zulu
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,965 ✭✭✭✭Zulu


    mikom wrote: »
    Yeah, free the day children are so much more worthy.
    Clap.

    Clap.


    Clap.


  • #44
    mikom
    Closed Accounts Posts: 16,391 ✭✭✭✭mikom


    Zulu wrote: »
    Clap.

    Clap.


    Clap.

    Clal, you mean. ;)


  • #45
    ticallion
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3 ✭ticallion


    hey Guys, my dad is very sick at present with cancer virtually taking over his body. he has been for chemo & radiotherapy sessions & is no better, just getting worse & worse. I would love to give him some hemp oil as a last resort but wouldnt have the time to start growing & making it. does anyone know if it is available in ireland?


  • #46
    Seachmall
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,041 ✭✭✭Seachmall


    ticallion wrote: »
    hey Guys, my dad is very sick at present with cancer virtually taking over his body. he has been for chemo & radiotherapy sessions & is no better, just getting worse & worse. I would love to give him some hemp oil as a last resort but wouldnt have the time to start growing & making it. does anyone know if it is available in ireland?

    You cannot cultivate or purchase cannabis legally in Ireland under any circumstances. No doctor will recommend it to your father. Your father's condition would not earn lenience in a court either should you ignore the law.

    Unfortunately the Irish law does not recognize it as a medicine and you would be taking a big risk in trying to subvert it.


  • #47
    Saila
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,751 ✭✭✭Saila


    ticallion wrote: »
    hey Guys, my dad is very sick at present with cancer virtually taking over his body. he has been for chemo & radiotherapy sessions & is no better, just getting worse & worse. I would love to give him some hemp oil as a last resort but wouldnt have the time to start growing & making it. does anyone know if it is available in ireland?

    I henceforth site the longevity of this thread


  • #48
    Joshua Jones
    Closed Accounts Posts: 246 ✭✭Joshua Jones


    ticallion wrote: »
    hey Guys, my dad is very sick at present with cancer virtually taking over his body. he has been for chemo & radiotherapy sessions & is no better, just getting worse & worse. I would love to give him some hemp oil as a last resort but wouldnt have the time to start growing & making it. does anyone know if it is available in ireland?

    Here. Plenty other sites just google bro.


  • #49
    Luap
    Registered Users Posts: 2,642 ✭✭✭Luap


    I know next time what to say to the Guards!


  • #50
    ticallion
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3 ✭ticallion


    Joshua Jones wrote: »
    ticallion wrote: »
    hey Guys, my dad is very sick at present with cancer virtually taking over his body. he has been for chemo & radiotherapy sessions & is no better, just getting worse & worse. I would love to give him some hemp oil as a last resort but wouldnt have the time to start growing & making it. does anyone know if it is available in ireland?

    Here. Plenty other sites just google bro.

    Thanks dude


  • #51
    Pin_Cushion
    Closed Accounts Posts: 120 ✭✭Pin_Cushion


    biko wrote: »
    Mod note: this thread is about one thing: cannabis and cancer.
    Any other discussion about legalising it or general cannabis promotion will be removed and infracted.

    Why?


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