Direct Provision - Should it be ended?

double jobbing · 18-06-2020 9:44am

Eric Cartman wrote: »

Theres atleast 1 'Syrian' remaining who's prefab was raided and 20k of cannabis found. He's still here....18 months later.... so you probably have to murder a child who's dad played county and is a Gard to get kicked out.

You see the very occasional case where a woman and her children are deported. Which makes you wonder how the feck they were that unlucky when a similarly unscrupulous case, Ellie Kisombye being an example, gets to stay after 10 years (and promptly flies home on holiday).

In her case, she effectively deceived a branch of welfare services for a 10 year period. If I claimed disability claimin to have a crippling medical condition, but for 10 years I was moonlighting as a bare knuckle fighter of such success Tyson Fury offered me an exhibition fight akin to the plot of the first Rocky film, I'm fairly sure the DSP would be interested in my miraculous overnight recovery after having taken 250 a week off them for the last decade.

I fail to see why after tens of thousands in spending on a spot in a DP hostel, food, and her 23 quid a week at the time, for 10 years, the Dept of Justice isn't investigating what changed in Malawian human rights/ politics that just slightly overlapped her positive decision.

Pronto63 · 18-06-2020 9:54am

Rodney Bathgate wrote: »

They choose to be there long term by using every appeal process open to then then going to the courts and appeal to the minister. Their choice.

Who pays all the legal fees?
Taxpayer?
If so there should be an absolute limit of 1 appeal and then deportation if unsuccessful.
I agree system must be quicker. Don’t think it’s fair to deport a 12 year old that has been here 10 years. Point is it shouldn’t take 10 years!!

double jobbing · 18-06-2020 9:59am

Pronto63 wrote: »

Who pays all the legal fees?
Taxpayer?
If so there should be an absolute limit of 1 appeal and then deportation if unsuccessful.
I agree system must be quicker. Don’t think it’s fair to deport a 12 year old that has been here 10 years. Point is it shouldn’t take 10 years!!

I've never understood this argument that you can't deport a child who has made local connections, only knows this country and language etc.

You could use the same argument to suggest a 12 year old asylum seeker who is not fleeing danger should not be uprooted from his school, hometown and friends in Nigeria/ Georgia/ Albania to be sent to Ireland with its bad climate, unknown food, etc.

On a personal level you would feel sorry. On a realistic level it's another form of anchor baby tourism- stay in the asylum system with a child long enough for him/ her to have local connections and it's illegal to deport you.

Doesn't wash in the real world. And most of these lefties openly laud the murder of the Romanov children and would have full term abortion if they could get away with it. Compassion for children me hole.

jones · 18-06-2020 12:27pm

Gatling wrote: »

We need proper reception and holding centers where your not free to come and go at your own will especially where tax payers are footing the massive housing and legal aid bills while the so called asylum seekers call us all Racists ,fast track applications followed by rapid Judgements if denied you should be removed from the holding centers within 7-14 days at most on put on to a flight to the country of origins

This makes perfect sense and I think we all just want a fair system for everyone. We are definitely seen as a soft touch in european terms with how we handle anyone who mentions the word asylum at Dublin airport being aided by the legal system and powerful NGO's the scales seems more than tipped in the applicants favour.

The fact that claiming asylum literally means mentioning a word and your in the country for years and handed accomodation, food, full medical card and modest finance each week - even if your claim is complete BS is an inherint flaw. Its too easy to have spurious claims which the majority appear to be. This in turn clogs up the system with economic migrants and the genuine cases are stuck in a backlog.

Very odd set up and i do wonder how Europe as a whole are going to handle this going forward. We need to get our own house in order first though (pardon the pun).

biko · 18-06-2020 1:12pm

Rodin wrote: »

How about we punish the airlines that bring illegals in?

It's called carriers’ liability.

It works, or should work, like this.
If an airline brings in person A and person A is found by customs to not have a valid passport then the airline is paying for the transport of person A back to original destination.

When used correctly the amount of undocumented people is then zero.

Of course the passport could be a forgery, stolen, etc but this at least assures the person has a valid passport upon entry into the state.

Marcos · 18-06-2020 2:41pm

biko wrote: »

It's called carriers’ liability.

It works, or should work, like this.
If an airline brings in person A and person A is found by customs to not have a valid passport then the airline is paying for the transport of person A back to original destination.

When used correctly the amount of undocumented people is then zero.

Of course the passport could be a forgery, stolen, etc but this at least assures the person has a valid passport upon entry into the state.

On the inaugural Ethiopian Airlines flight from Addis Ababa seven people claimed asylum.

It is understood that the passengers disembarked and made their way to Dublin Airport’s immigration gates where they claimed asylum.

They reportedly arrived at the desk without ID or travel documentation.

A spokeswoman for Ethiopian Airlines this morning insisted that all passengers on the flight had full legal documents when they boarded in Addis Ababa but said that the airline does not comment on individual cases.

“Ethiopian Airlines has been operating for over 40 years in Europe and Dublin is its 11th City.

“We only carry passengers with full legal documents and appropriate visas. We also carry out extra checks when in doubt and take guidance from appropriate immigration teams of the destination country we operate to, if needed,” she said.

Galwayguy35 · 20-06-2020 11:08am

Heard someone on Matt Coopers radio show yesterday say the 2004 referendum needs to be looked at again because the voters "got it wrong and Ireland is very different now".

Yeah Ireland would be very different if we hadn't closed ths loophole where all illegals had to was pop out a few kids to ensure they were here for life.

This is a very disturbing thing to hear someone say, but we've been here before with the Lisbon Treaty.

I'd be very disappointed in any Government who decided to try to hold another referendum when 79% of voters voted to change it back in 04.

20-06-2020 11:53am

Galwayguy35 wrote: »

Heard someone on Matt Coopers radio show yesterday say the 2004 referendum needs to be looked at again because the voters "got it wrong and Ireland is very different now".

Yeah Ireland would be very different if we hadn't closed ths loophole where all illegals had to was pop out a few kids to ensure they were here for life.

This is a very disturbing thing to hear someone say, but we've been here before with the Lisbon Treaty.

I'd be very disappointed in any Government who decided to try to hold another referendum when 79% of voters voted to change it back in 04.

It would be the same result again.

Beechwoodspark · 20-06-2020 12:07pm

Can anyone who is looking for change to direct provision please outline what the alternative will be? Genuinely curious

double jobbing · 20-06-2020 12:08pm

Galwayguy35 wrote: »

I'd be very disappointed in any Government who decided to try to hold another referendum when 79% of voters voted to change it back in 04.

Referendum?

LOL.

None of the parties trying to amend the legislation are in favour of a referendum, because they know what the result would be. Paul Murphy is on the record as stating (correctly) that changing the law requires only a majority Dail vote, not a new referendum.

That would also be true of the abortion legislation. The left are so terrified of this being done that they drew up a list of all candidates running last time with their public comments on abortion listed- any candidate without a public comment on record was deemed potentially hostile and the advice was not to give them a vote. They also asked no FF TD's be voted for in any circumstance as a majority of their Dail members were anti abortion at one stage.

It was 79% in 2004. What would it be like in 2020 when we have a housing crisis and the public are more aware of how much preferential treatment the ungrateful moaners in direct provision actually get?

The Green Party, Solidarity- PBP- Rise are all in favour. SF have made noises about it but it's unclear whether they'd be daft enough to alienate their base by supporting it. If all the left established parties vote yes they would need only a handful of votes from indepndents and left leaning FG/ FF TD's to push it over the line.

Hamachi · 20-06-2020 12:10pm

[Deleted User] wrote: »

It would be the same result again.

Honestly, I’m not so sure. I was in my final year of university back then; I remember being roundly castigated for daring to suggest that the 27th amendment was the right thing to do.

There were also more opposing voices in the media in that era. Some level of dissent was tolerated. Nevertheless, Michael McDowell was still subjected to an endless stream of critical diatribes, for pushing forward with the referendum. The narrative is now so strictly controlled by one agenda, that I fear for the outcome here.

What I do know is that re-introducing Jus soli citizenship would be a disaster for Ireland. I hope that this agenda is just being pushed by a small cohort of extremists and fails to gain any traction amongst the general population.

dzsfah2xoynme9 · 20-06-2020 12:13pm

I lived in New Zealand for 3 years. One thing I noticed was that there was no mention of any Direct Provision style set up. If you shouldn't be there you were sent out on the next available plane. The right set up. If you no right to be in a country and no visa then out you go. I'd even apply that to the undocumented Irish in the USA. They knew what they were doing and the risks involved..

Hamachi · 20-06-2020 12:22pm

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It was 79% in 2004. What would it be like in 2020 when we have a housing crisis and the public are more aware of how much preferential treatment the ungrateful moaners in direct provision actually get?

The Green Party, Solidarity- PBP- Rise are all in favour. SF have made noises about it but it's unclear whether they'd be daft enough to alienate their base by supporting it. If all the left established parties vote yes they would need only a handful of votes from indepndents and left leaning FG/ FF TD's to push it over the line.[/quote]

This is genuinely concerning. The last election results were anomalous and will likely be reversed next time around. It’s worrying that the left seeks to capitalize on one-off result to ride roughshod over the democratic wishes of the people. Hopefully, sanity prevails here.

If this were to happen, Ireland would be the only EU member state offering birthright citizenship. I can’t see this going down too well with our EU partners..

Galwayguy35 · 20-06-2020 2:02pm

double jobbing wrote: »

Referendum?

LOL.

None of the parties trying to amend the legislation are in favour of a referendum, because they know what the result would be. Paul Murphy is on the record as stating (correctly) that changing the law requires only a majority Dail vote, not a new referendum.

That would also be true of the abortion legislation. The left are so terrified of this being done that they drew up a list of all candidates running last time with their public comments on abortion listed- any candidate without a public comment on record was deemed potentially hostile and the advice was not to give them a vote. They also asked no FF TD's be voted for in any circumstance as a majority of their Dail members were anti abortion at one stage.

It was 79% in 2004. What would it be like in 2020 when we have a housing crisis and the public are more aware of how much preferential treatment the ungrateful moaners in direct provision actually get?

The Green Party, Solidarity- PBP- Rise are all in favour. SF have made noises about it but it's unclear whether they'd be daft enough to alienate their base by supporting it. If all the left established parties vote yes they would need only a handful of votes from indepndents and left leaning FG/ FF TD's to push it over the line.

Thats even more troubling if they do something like a vote in the Dail.

Nesta2018 · 20-06-2020 2:15pm

But how can you overturn the result of a referendum without another one? Genuine question. Wasn't that the issue with the 8th amendment, that it had been voted into the constitution in 1983 and therefore had to be removed the same way? I don't understand how that works.

I do see, anecdotally, a huge chasm between the opinions of those with economic, social and political power and those without. The former will never have to see their neighbourhoods transformed or feel the brunt of pressure on school places, public hospitals etc. So it's a very alarming thought that they could reintroduce jus soli citizenship against the will of everyone else. We are already in enough trouble with Brexit, Covid 19, and an existing housing crisis. Not to mention the upcoming second generation from Direct Provision coming of age; the angry resentful cohort whose sense of injustice is stoked by professional race-baiters and NGOs and who have little to offer but more social unrest.

Galwayguy35 · 20-06-2020 2:27pm

And we see how a lot of these anchor babies turned out, roaming around in gangs beating people up.

Gatling · 20-06-2020 2:56pm

I'd love to see this having multiple citizenships dropped too,

Sweet.Science · 20-06-2020 3:31pm

Housing marches , then climate change marches , Covid and then black lives matter marches put this on the long finger for a while for the social justice warriors

It will come back around soon . Then fizzle out and something else will come to the fore front . Then that will fizzle out being replaced again by something that was put on the long finger

It's a continuous loop. They care about absolutely everything meaning it's hard to actually care about anything

SporadicMan · 21-06-2020 2:39pm

Sweet.Science wrote: »

Housing marches , then climate change marches , Covid and then black lives matter marches put this on the long finger for a while for the social justice warriors

It will come back around soon . Then fizzle out and something else will come to the fore front . Then that will fizzle out being replaced again by something that was put on the long finger

It's a continuous loop. They care about absolutely everything meaning it's hard to actually care about anything

What are you talking about?

The push to end Direct Provision had direct impact in the government and they came out and said that they're making plans to change it.

You're acting as if this mob isn't capable of making change. It absolutely is. That's the scary part.

Mr. Karate · 21-06-2020 2:41pm

Beechwoodspark wrote: »

Can anyone who is looking for change to direct provision please outline what the alternative will be? Genuinely curious

Most likely outcome is that they cut the Housing list line and immediately get a Council House [and then in 6 months they're crying for a new one since the current one doesn't meet their standards]

DelaneyIn · 21-06-2020 4:36pm

SporadicMan wrote: »

What are you talking about?

The push to end Direct Provision had direct impact in the government and they came out and said that they're making plans to change it.

You're acting as if this mob isn't capable of making change. It absolutely is. That's the scary part.

They’ll get rid of direct provision. Demand social housing, full welfare and working rights for all asylum seekers. Then work on getting rid of the 27th amendment and securing an amnesty for all illegal immigrants.

They want complete open borders and are on their way to getting it.

Sarcozies · 21-06-2020 4:50pm

DelaneyIn wrote: »

They’ll get rid of direct provision. Demand social housing, full welfare and working rights for all asylum seekers. Then work on getting rid of the 27th amendment and securing an amnesty for all illegal immigrants.

They want complete open borders and are on their way to getting it.

But, who will pick our Keelings strawberries if we don't let this happen?

SporadicMan · 22-06-2020 2:16pm

DelaneyIn wrote: »

They’ll get rid of direct provision. Demand social housing, full welfare and working rights for all asylum seekers. Then work on getting rid of the 27th amendment and securing an amnesty for all illegal immigrants.

They want complete open borders and are on their way to getting it.

Yup, pretty obvious goal and as you said, it's looking like it could happen.

I don't think "normal" people really quite realise what's going on here and it won't be clear until it's too late.

Beechwoodspark · 28-07-2020 5:12pm

Patrick2010 wrote: »

Tv3 report from Cahirciveen showing loads of residents out protesting and calling for an end to direct provision. If that’s what they want assume they’ll be happy if the Skellig hotel is closed and all the asylum seekers there housed locally given the welcome posters on display?

They have called an indefinite hunger strike apparently.

Sorry now but I feel they have thrown hard earned Irish taxpayers efforts back ungratefully

DelaneyIn · 28-07-2020 11:02pm

I see the asylum seekers in the four star hotel in Cahersiveen are on hunger strike.

https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/we-have-been-traumatized-asylum-seekers-in-a-kerry-direct-provision-centre-on-hunger-strike-in-protest-at-inhumane-conditions-39403971.html

There were claims that there was poor deep cleaning and sanitising of hotel rooms where there had been confirmed cases of Covid-19.

This line jumped out to me. Can these people not deep clean their own hotel room? It’s not like they’re busy working and all their meals are provided so not busy cooking.

goose2005 · 28-07-2020 11:56pm

DelaneyIn wrote: »

I see the asylum seekers in the four star hotel in Cahersiveen are on hunger strike.

https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/we-have-been-traumatized-asylum-seekers-in-a-kerry-direct-provision-centre-on-hunger-strike-in-protest-at-inhumane-conditions-39403971.html

This line jumped out to me. Can these people not deep clean their own hotel room? It’s not like they’re busy working and all their meals are provided so not busy cooking.

They probably aren't allowed to clean it.

katiek102010 · 29-07-2020 9:54am

End it?

How will we replace it?

Should we model our system on the French "jungle" in Calais or the UK and American detention centres.

Currently asylum seekers are treated better than Irish homeless in emergency accommodation.

The majority of asylum seekers have their claims rejected within a 12 month period and they drag the process out themselves through various loopholes.

The emergency accommodation they are provided with is more than adequate and is much more than the emergency accommodation provided to irish and eu citizens.

Eric Cartman · 29-07-2020 9:56am

katiek102010 wrote: »

End it?

How will we replace it?

Should we model our system on the French "jungle" in Calais or the UK and American detention centres.

Currently asylum seekers are treated better than Irish homeless in emergency accommodation.

The majority of asylum seekers have their claims rejected within a 12 month period and they drag the process out themselves through various loopholes.

The emergency accommodation they are provided with is more than adequate and is much more than the emergency accommodation provided to irish and eu citizens.

I would welcome the reasons that Calais is a jungle. Those people don't want to leave France because its unsafe, its because it doesn't dish out welfare to anyone who lands on its shores.

sasta le · 29-07-2020 9:58am

Deffo ended we need a fast process centre and ship them bogus ones out

Limpy · 29-07-2020 10:01am

Were Irish people who fled to the US put in direct provision?

Edgware · 29-07-2020 10:34am

10000maniacs wrote: »

If they have flown into Ireland from a safe country, they should be sent back to that safe country and their application for asylum in Ireland be processed from that safe country. The insanity and stupidity of direct provision has really come to the fore during the current COVID-19 crisis.

Exactly. And then if we are handling their asylum process do it promptly, cut out the bull**** that is making the legal profession richer.
If we give asylum then hopefully with a bit of support these people can get into the workforce and contribute to society. Of course we will always have native born spongers regardless of the amount of jobs available

Edgware · 29-07-2020 10:36am

sasta le wrote: »

Deffo ended we need a fast process centre and ship them bogus ones out

Maybe we could send a few of our own spongers back with them

sasta le · 29-07-2020 10:49am

Edgware wrote: »

Maybe we could send a few of our own spongers back with them

I guess we can't do that however perfect that would be
Look at all the Afro Irish that are growing up here acting like gangsters and bring utter scumbags we don't need more of this
Do we want what has happened in France and Italy etc

katiek102010 · 29-07-2020 11:26am

Eric Cartman wrote: »

I would welcome the reasons that Calais is a jungle. Those people don't want to leave France because its unsafe, its because it doesn't dish out welfare to anyone who lands on its shores.

When the jungle was being disbanded a few years ago. My husbands friend ( uk high court enforcement) was one of those employed to do the job. It was a joint effort by the UK and French governments as the illegals were there trying to get to UK.

They had guns etc pulled on them. Huge amounts of people arrested and deported to back where they came from. From the paperwork he was privvy too, there were quite a few residents of the camp "people smugglers" there just to bring people to the UK illegally.

I have also worked for an organisation who was given responsibility for a number of "bearded children". We knew 100% they were adults but the do gooders prevented medical examinations to verify. Would have been a some teeth x-ray. 1 sexually assaulted a girl in school couldn't be deported as his paperwork said 16 at the time. 1 planted a bomb on a train.

Years ago I know a security guard that was pinned down in a centre ( pre anchor baby ref) he was jumped and held down by Nigerian men in an attempt to rape him to get a woman pregnant.

In a maternity hospital around 2000 I saw a young refugee child about 2, mother was a patient kicked into a bin by its father. We called a nurse it was an area covered by cctv. Child was removed from them along with newborn. Father was taken away but came back 2 days later on the morning I was collecting my friend who was a patient. He got up on the wife in the hospital bed!!!!!! Presumably to get her pregnant again for another anchor baby. She didn't object.

At the moment DP is what we have, it's better than other EU countries.

Instead of abolishing it we need to concentrate on improving the legislation, close appeal loopholes and increase deportations. Only allow leave to remain for a maximum of 3 year blocks at which time its reviewed and you can be made return. Include a provision that criminal activity cancels any right to remain immediately

And for God's sake don't do what the UK do and put them on passenger planes with cops as the do gooders book tickets on the flights and disrupt so they can't take off.

Geuze · 21-10-2020 12:28am

This is yet another example of bogus asylum-seekers.

This Egyptian criminal is an asylum-seeker, yet some people in Ireland think that this criminal should be given an own-door house.

He should be deported.

https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/courts/father-of-three-accused-of-running-six-brothels-where-habitual-prostitution-took-place-39646414.html

A father-of-three has been accused of operating six brothels around Dublin, each of which was occupied by sex workers with “habitual prostitution” taking place.

Hani Shoky (44) is alleged to have leased the raided properties, mostly suburban apartments, over the course of two years.

He was granted bail despite garda objections when he appeared in Dublin District Court.

Mr Shoky, an Egyptian asylum seeker with an address Abbot Court, Cualanor, Dún Laoghaire, is charged with six counts of brothel-keeping and eight of using false supporting documents for lease agreements on the properties.

sasta le · 21-10-2020 6:03am

Why are we not just stopping these people at point of entry?How is there all these African scumbgags here?And i feel sorry for the decent African folk here legally and going about there lives

cgcsb · 21-10-2020 6:37pm

An open question here. I was surprised to see on the news that there's a plan to end direct provision by 2023 and replace it with a new system that will cost less. Fair enough one might say.

Further details: under the plan an asylum seeker will be provided with 'own door accommodation' within 3 months of arrival.

I'm just shocked because
1) how is this possible?
2) how will this cost less?
3) Does that mean that the social housing list will also be cleared completely by 2023?
4)If not how can this be justified? It's openly giving citizens of other countries preferentional treatment and far greater access to public services (housing being the most essential service possible). It is illegal to discriminate against people on the basis of their national origin, presumably including Irish citizens is it not?

Eric Cartman · 21-10-2020 7:26pm

cgcsb wrote: »

An open question here. I was surprised to see on the news that there's a plan to end direct provision by 2023 and replace it with a new system that will cost less. Fair enough one might say.

Further details: under the plan an asylum seeker will be provided with 'own door accommodation' within 3 months of arrival.

I'm just shocked because
1) how is this possible?
2) how will this cost less?
3) Does that mean that the social housing list will also be cleared completely by 2023?
4)If not how can this be justified? It's openly giving citizens of other countries preferentional treatment and far greater access to public services (housing being the most essential service possible). It is illegal to discriminate against people on the basis of their national origin, presumably including Irish citizens is it not?

its all smoke and mirrors, the plan will be diluted so much that we never leave DP, either that or it'll be for new entrants only and the government will finally get some balls and send them all away at the airport / port.

There is not a single genuine reason anyone from Africa, South America, the Middle East, Russia / Georgia or Asia should be claiming asylum here.

cgcsb · 21-10-2020 8:08pm

Regardless of whether an individual is genuine or not, how can the state say with such certainty that any person arriving and claiming asylum (Which is basically something that anyone in the world other than Irish people can do here at any time) will be housed by the state inside 3 months, but an Irish person can expect to be a decade or more on a housing list.

Can a desperate Irish person decide to leave the state, come back, loose their passport in transit, claim to be from an obscure country and claim this 3 month insta-house?

What other countries are offering this? I don't think even Sweden operates such a policy.

emo72 · 21-10-2020 8:57pm

House them in 3 months? Can we have a bit of that please? There's loads of people I know that if they could have a house here within 3 months it'd be like winning the lotto.

goose2005 · 22-10-2020 5:15pm

cgcsb wrote: »

An open question here. I was surprised to see on the news that there's a plan to end direct provision by 2023 and replace it with a new system that will cost less. Fair enough one might say.

Further details: under the plan an asylum seeker will be provided with 'own door accommodation' within 3 months of arrival.

I'm just shocked because
1) how is this possible?
2) how will this cost less?
3) Does that mean that the social housing list will also be cleared completely by 2023?
4)If not how can this be justified? It's openly giving citizens of other countries preferentional treatment and far greater access to public services (housing being the most essential service possible). It is illegal to discriminate against people on the basis of their national origin, presumably including Irish citizens is it not?

no way will it cost less, this will cost a lot more and in 5 years' time when that comes out they'll say "well, no-one could have anticipated this, and no-one could have anticipated the huge increase in applications after the COVID pandemic, now we need to show love for our million new brothers and sisters who will build the country"

Kivaro · 22-10-2020 5:35pm

goose2005 wrote: »

no way will it cost less, this will cost a lot more and in 5 years' time when that comes out they'll say "well, no-one could have anticipated this, and no-one could have anticipated the huge increase in applications after the COVID pandemic, now we need to show love for our million new brothers and sisters who will build the country"

And while that is happening, many indigenous Irish will be emigrating to escape the nightmare imposed on them without any say in the matter ......

Spanish Eyes · 22-10-2020 5:41pm

They need some use for the gazillion of build to rent and co living developments being built, since there are fewer people needing to work in the cities now. That's with my cynical hat on. But first dibs should be be to our own, not asylum seekers.

Pigsaw · 22-10-2020 6:08pm

Can't wait until we're giving free houses to 'refugees' from places like Albania.

Galwayguy35 · 24-10-2020 9:22pm

cgcsb wrote: »

An open question here. I was surprised to see on the news that there's a plan to end direct provision by 2023 and replace it with a new system that will cost less. Fair enough one might say.

Further details: under the plan an asylum seeker will be provided with 'own door accommodation' within 3 months of arrival.

I'm just shocked because
1) how is this possible?
2) how will this cost less?
3) Does that mean that the social housing list will also be cleared completely by 2023?
4)If not how can this be justified? It's openly giving citizens of other countries preferentional treatment and far greater access to public services (housing being the most essential service possible). It is illegal to discriminate against people on the basis of their national origin, presumably including Irish citizens is it not?

Sounds like its coming from the Green corner, DP is O Gormans pet project but its seems like off the wall stuff to think someone can rock up and get a house within 3 months.

Beechwoodspark · 24-10-2020 9:47pm

This “own door” asylum seekers accommodation idea is startling...

Can we expect the same or better for Irish citizens currently homeless so?

If not, why not?

cgcsb · 24-10-2020 11:10pm

Even if the courts done nothing to stop such discrimination you can more less count on a working class led trump style right wing backlash and the people in charge won't see the inside of government for a generation as a result. There's no way middle or working class folk impacted by the housing crisis would tolerate this and the people who'll suffer is unfortunate refugees who won't have popular sympathy in Europe.

Kivaro · 24-10-2020 11:41pm

Galwayguy35 wrote: »

Sounds like its coming from the Green corner, DP is O Gormans pet project but its seems like off the wall stuff to think someone can rock up and get a house within 3 months.

Most definitely, (The Legend) O' Gorman is spearheading this project. He gleefully tells his supporters that it will happen.
When the Greens were in discussions after the election to form a government, they had 17 major points for discussion, with Direct Provision as their number one item on the list. I can not imagine that the people who put a check next to Green Party candidates were thinking that Direct Provision was going to be their main priority. These voters were probably thinking about the environment, sustainability, climate change etc.

But now we have a situation where a party who only had 7% of the votes in the last election, changing the migration/asylum landscape in Ireland to such an extent that our country will the number one target for every asylum seeker chancer on the planet due to the entitlements that the Green Party are going to offer them.

With the impending depression (not recession) that will be upon us in the coming year or so, and the fact that we are one of the most indebted countries in the world with massive debts to pay off, it is astounding that the Green Party is going to lead us into further debt in order to implement these Direct Provision changes. It is a ludicrous scenario.

SouthWesterly · 24-10-2020 11:48pm

Kivaro wrote: »

Most definitely, (The Legend) O' Gorman is spearheading this project. He gleefully tells his supporters that it will happen.
When the Greens were in discussions after the election to form a government, they had 17 major points for discussion, with Direct Provision as their number one item on the list. I can not imagine that the people who put a check next to Green Party candidates were thinking that Direct Provision was going to be their main priority. These voters were probably thinking about the environment, sustainability, climate change etc.

But now we have a situation where a party who only had 7% of the votes in the last election, changing the migration/asylum landscape in Ireland to such an extent that our country will the number one target for every asylum seeker chancer on the planet due to the entitlements that the Green Party are going to offer them.

With the impending depression (not recession) that will be upon us in the coming year or so, and the fact that we are one of the most indebted countries in the world with massive debts to pay off, it is astounding that the Green Party is going to lead us into further debt in order to implement these Direct Provision changes. It is a ludicrous scenario.

But think of all the butterflies they'll save.

My jaw dropped when I heard refugees would get a house inside of 3 months of application.

eleventh · 25-10-2020 12:15am

Covid has been a test really. When people are dumb enough to accept rules of distancing from family & friends, lockdowns for no reason, mask-wearing, without question, they will accept anything from there on in.
The weakening of the population has been a drip drip effect over past 2 or 3 decades especially. They'll now flood the country with Africans, give them greater standard of life and opportunity than the Irish poor. Most Irish people too weak to even question let alone stop it from happening.

Direct Provision - Should it be ended?

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