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Are Sinn Féin anti-Catholic?

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    #32
    RandomViewer
    Registered Users Posts: 6,191 ✭✭✭RandomViewer


    SF are not anti-Catholic but chasing after a few niche votes has cost them Catholic voters,


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    #33
    washman3
    Registered Users Posts: 3,646 ✭✭✭washman3


    Beechwoodspark wrote: »
    Yep, colleague said similar, would warfield have the cajones to challenge the Islamic faith for their homophobic beliefs?




    Far too astute for that.!!!
    It's easier have a cheap shot at the pope. Gains more support in the present climate, while having any slight pop at Islam would be counter-productive.
    This guy is acting like a total a###hole and getting away with it.


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    #34
    Zebra3
    Registered Users Posts: 13,856 ✭✭✭✭Zebra3


    Chalk McHugh wrote: »
    Maybe mcguiness felt the need to pray and confess to all his plotting and bombing of innocent people. Hardly carrying out God's message and the teachings of the Bible now in fairness. The complete opposite.

    Eh, God's teachings and the bible are full of genocide, ethnic cleansing, rape and all the rest.

    McGuinness has nothing on God and his crimes.


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    #35
    splinter65
    Registered Users Posts: 9,420 ✭✭✭splinter65


    Joeytheparrot wrote: »
    The point really was that Fintan Warfield is being subjected to vile homophobic abuse. The anti catholic whataboutery is a deflection.

    SF senator mocks and sneers a very popular religious leader, takes a selfie of same, slaps it up on Instagram, gets likes and shares from friends and admirers, so what?
    Couple of years go by and in his role as an elected public representative he espouses ideology which would be considered very controversial not just here but all over the world. The ideology is enough to get him sacked in some places , and even murdered in others. But this is a cool country and while there’s debate there’s no calls for his resignation, or a lynching.
    Joe Bloggs on the street however doesn’t want his 14 year old daughter to be allowed to arrange to have hormone blockers without asking him first, does a 1/2 minutes googling and finds the senator in his Speedo’s sneering at the pope, pouting and posing for the camera in his lederhosen, giving the camera a snarl and the finger in his repeal jumper etc.
    “Vile homophobic abuse“? or total and complete naivety bordering on arrogance and/or insanity on behalf of the senator?


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    #36
    splinter65
    Registered Users Posts: 9,420 ✭✭✭splinter65


    Joeytheparrot wrote: »
    The point really was that Fintan Warfield is being subjected to vile homophobic abuse. The anti catholic whataboutery is a deflection.

    SF senator mocks and sneers a very popular religious leader, takes a selfie of same, slaps it up on Instagram, gets likes and shares from friends and admirers, so what?
    Couple of years go by and in his role as an elected public representative he espouses ideology which would be considered very controversial not just here but all over the world. The ideology is enough to get him sacked in some places , and even murdered in others. But this is a cool country and while there’s debate there’s no calls for his resignation, or a lynching.
    Joe Bloggs on the street however doesn’t want his 14 year old daughter to be allowed to arrange to have hormone blockers without asking him first, does a 1/2 minutes googling and finds the senator in his Speedo’s sneering at the pope, pouting and posing almost pornographically for the camera in his lederhosen at the pride parade, giving the camera a snarl and the finger in his repeal jumper etc.
    “Vile homophobic abuse“? or total and complete naivety bordering on arrogance and/or insanity on behalf of the senator?


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    #37
    TheValeyard
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    Zebra3 wrote: »
    Eh, God's teachings and the bible are full of genocide, ethnic cleansing, rape and all the rest.

    McGuinness has nothing on God and his crimes.

    Edgy

    Fcuk Putin. Glory to Ukraine!



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    #38
    splinter65
    Registered Users Posts: 9,420 ✭✭✭splinter65


    TheValeyard wrote: »
    Edgy

    It’s like being mauled by a dead sheep at this stage.


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    #39
    breezy1985
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    RandomViewer wrote: »
    The pope at the time supported King Billy, the church supported British rule when it was in their interest,

    Ah ok. I never knew the pope supported Billy


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    #40
    James Brown
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    breezy1985 wrote: »
    Not sure what your point is there?

    Conversation was on the politics of the church. They put the institution above the followers numerous times.


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    #41
    Galwayguy35
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    Joeytheparrot wrote: »
    The point really was that Fintan Warfield is being subjected to vile homophobic abuse. The anti catholic whataboutery is a deflection.

    Well if he wants to make fun of religion he should be consistent about it, let him dress up as Muhammad next so he has had a laugh at the other major religion on the planet.

    I think we both know that won't happen don't We?


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    #42
    Zebra3
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    TheValeyard wrote: »
    Edgy

    Factual.


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    #43
    John Hutton
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,301 ✭✭✭John Hutton


    breezy1985 wrote: »
    Need to be allowed yes. The Catholic church willingly and enthusiastically planted themselves in every aspect of the Irish state including trying to influence politics and politicians and bullying anyone who spoke against them so therefore have opened themselves up to satire.

    And we do make jokes in this country all the time about the British who caused untold horrors so don't pretend we dont.

    It was the church in Ireland set them selves aside as special in this country so don't be complaining now if they are treated as special

    This is a great misreading of history, you make it sound like Catholics just swooped in and took everything over by force and subjected people. This did happen, but it was the Protestant ascendancy which did that.

    It was a great aberration in Europe that Catholicism greatly increased in Ireland in the century after the famine. This was because Catholics were oppressed for so long. It was a perfectly natural and predictable event that after independence people would want and get an influencial catholic church.

    The Catholic church did not willingly plant themselves in every aspect of the Irish state. Their schools, hospitals, asylums etc. all evolved pre independence as charitable endeavours as either an alternative to the discriminatory state services, or in areas that the state just ignored. After independence the state just didn't bother to do what the state should and left the supply of vital welfare services to charities, the dominant one being the Catholic Church.

    Today the state continues to leave vital welfare programmes to charities, private companies and NGOs to do (nursing homes, mental health services etc.). The only difference is that the church is trying to divest itself from these roles.

    The reality is that most people were Catholics so the country and politicians who were elected tended to follow Catholic teaching (but not always fully).

    To summarise, the Catholic church was so influencial in Ireland because the majority wanted them to be. When they no longer wanted them to be, they stopped being so influencial. You can't just build up De Valera and McQuaid as boogeymen and tyrants. There's far more to it.

    If the abuse and jokes (there's many a bully who excuses their actions as "I was only joking") about Catholics were made about any other religion you'd be rightly up in arms about it.

    It's time people gain some maturity about these things - treat people with dignity and respect. Have respect for people's religious beliefs (you don't have to believe or agree with them) and don't shame people for expressing and partaking in their religion.


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    #44
    John Hutton
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,301 ✭✭✭John Hutton


    As a general point, a poster mentioned that the Catholic Church would bash people and bully them if they spoke out of line or disagreed with them.

    How is this different from what happens today if some speaks contrary to the tenants of woke identity politics ? They are cancelled.

    It's the same thing, the Catholic church think they are right for denouncing things as do those seeking to cancel people .

    At least the Catholic church offered forgiveness, there doesn't seem to be any way back from being cancelled.


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    #45
    JohnnyFlash
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    Their paramilitary wing certainly murdered and maimed plenty of them.


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    #46
    Treppen
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    Ya but when are Sinn Féin going to grow up and don the poppy.


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    #47
    breezy1985
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    John Hutton wrote: »
    This is a great misreading of history, you make it sound like Catholics just swooped in and took everything over by force and subjected people. This did happen, but it was the Protestant ascendancy which did that.

    It was a great aberration in Europe that Catholicism greatly increased in Ireland in the century after the famine. This was because Catholics were oppressed for so long. It was a perfectly natural and predictable event that after independence people would want and get an influencial catholic church.

    The Catholic church did not willingly plant themselves in every aspect of the Irish state. Their schools, hospitals, asylums etc. all evolved pre independence as charitable endeavours as either an alternative to the discriminatory state services, or in areas that the state just ignored. After independence the state just didn't bother to do what the state should and left the supply of vital welfare services to charities, the dominant one being the Catholic Church.

    Today the state continues to leave vital welfare programmes to charities, private companies and NGOs to do (nursing homes, mental health services etc.). The only difference is that the church is trying to divest itself from these roles.

    The reality is that most people were Catholics so the country and politicians who were elected tended to follow Catholic teaching (but not always fully).

    To summarise, the Catholic church was so influencial in Ireland because the majority wanted them to be. When they no longer wanted them to be, they stopped being so influencial. You can't just build up De Valera and McQuaid as boogeymen and tyrants. There's far more to it.

    If the abuse and jokes (there's many a bully who excuses their actions as "I was only joking") about Catholics were made about any other religion you'd be rightly up in arms about it.

    It's time people gain some maturity about these things - treat people with dignity and respect. Have respect for people's religious beliefs (you don't have to believe or agree with them) and don't shame people for expressing and partaking in their religion.

    You leave out the parts where the church were sending letters and speaking from the pulpit to gardai and politicians threatening to destroy their careers and most of the country being catholic does not excuse the bullying of the ones who were not. Also I dont care how many of the country were catholic there is no excuse for the rape and beatings they handed out

    As for the "if they said that about ..." nonsense this always comes up as there seems always to be way more people saying this than people actually being "woke" on forums and just to clear up my personal views I think there is alot wrong with the teachings of Islam but I think its pointless us joking or doing much about it as its something that they need to sort out themselves like we did with church and state over the years and I completely supported the likes of Charlie Hedbo during that controversy.

    And he does not need to qualify slagging the pope by then slagging the rest. A Man U fan doesnt have to follow up saying he hates Liverpool by saying by the way i also hate Man C, Chelsea etc.


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    #48
    nthclare
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    I remember when Sinn Fein would have laughed at the woke plebs and they had their own struggles to get better support over the years.

    I like Pierce Doherty and Mary Lou is ok too, her heart is in the right place.

    But pandering to the woke crowd and the SJW fraternity aint going to make Sinn Fein enhance their leadership potential.

    I like politicians to be tough and make hard difficult decisions.
    Pandering to the likes of the woke crowd and not liking Catholism will not help them gain a meaningful vote.
    Because most people are moderate and the alt right and lefties are not exactly sure of themselves, forever moving the goal post's to suit their mood on the day....

    A lot of Catholics needed Sinne Feinn when they were being persecuted by the majority in the North and if they lack respect for those people they're going to loose favour.

    The Northern political playing field is different to here down South.


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    #49
    Zebra3
    Registered Users Posts: 13,856 ✭✭✭✭Zebra3


    John Hutton wrote: »
    As a general point, a poster mentioned that the Catholic Church would bash people and bully them if they spoke out of line or disagreed with them.

    How is this different from what happens today if some speaks contrary to the tenants of woke identity politics ? They are cancelled.

    It's the same thing, the Catholic church think they are right for denouncing things as do those seeking to cancel people .

    At least the Catholic church offered forgiveness, there doesn't seem to be any way back from being cancelled.

    The same church that hid their crimes away and denied everything?

    Moved child rapists around so they'd be free to f.ck more kids?

    The same church that wouldn't cough up for their crimes?

    When did the church ask AGS to prosecute all those who covered up the crimes against children?

    Oh, but the church offered forgiveness, wow... :rolleyes:

    A criminal organisation that exploits people with their lies.


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    JohnnyFlash
    Registered Users Posts: 7,055 ✭✭✭JohnnyFlash


    Zebra3 wrote: »
    The same church that hid their crimes away and denied everything?

    Moved child rapists around so they'd be free to f.ck more kids?

    The same church that wouldn't cough up for their crimes?

    When did the church ask AGS to prosecute all those who covered up the crimes against children?

    Oh, but the church offered forgiveness, wow... :rolleyes:

    A criminal organisation that exploits people with their lies.

    Were you as outraged when multiple stories came out about SF and IRA protecting children abusers? Or is your your particular brand of pontificating only confined to groups you don’t agree with?


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    Zebra3
    Registered Users Posts: 13,856 ✭✭✭✭Zebra3


    JohnnyFlash wrote: »
    Were you as outraged when multiple stories came out about SF and IRA protecting children abusers? Or is your your particular brand of pontificating only confined to groups you don’t agree with?

    Were you as outraged when multiple stories came out about FFFG and Labour protecting women abusers? Or is your your particular brand of pontificating only confined to groups you don’t agree with?


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    #52
    Truthvader
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    LuasSimon wrote: »
    Looking at Twitter the last couple of days it seems full of Sinn Fein bots attacking anyone who indicates their a catholic , this Fintan warfield guy who’s having a laugh at the pope in his underpants seems to be a hero of the New Sinn Fein types ?
    Seems like Sinn Fein in the past couple of years has been taken over by the far left , wonder what the late Martin Mcguiness a devout catholic would make of all these new Sinn Fein crowd particularly in the South ?

    Dont think Martin the murderer was that devout. More likely another costume pulled on along with his "statesman" disguise when he agreed the carve up of Norn Iron with his chuckle brother Ian Paisley. Gotta laugh though


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    #53
    RandomViewer
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    Truthvader wrote: »
    Dont think Martin the murderer was that devout. More likely another costume pulled on along with his "statesman" disguise when he agreed the carve up of Norn Iron with his chuckle brother Ian Paisley. Gotta laugh though

    Derry wans are very holy, chapels would be well filled
    .Paisley 's brother was a UDA commander


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    breezy1985
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    Zebra3 wrote: »
    The same church that hid their crimes away and denied everything?

    Moved child rapists around so they'd be free to f.ck more kids?

    The same church that wouldn't cough up for their crimes?

    When did the church ask AGS to prosecute all those who covered up the crimes against children?

    Oh, but the church offered forgiveness, wow... :rolleyes:

    A criminal organisation that exploits people with their lies.

    I was at a mass about 15 years ago for a month's mind and the priest asked us to pray for the poor priests who had lost their way and help them to find the light. No prayers for the poor kids they messed with though.

    Other religions have their problems too and I don't like any of them but the only one matters in this country and the only one that was named in the constitution as special is the catholic one so of course it gets all the attention good and bad and that's why it'll get the mentions in satire and not Mohamed or whoever else not because of "woke"


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    #55
    JohnnyFlash
    Registered Users Posts: 7,055 ✭✭✭JohnnyFlash


    Zebra3 wrote: »
    Were you as outraged when multiple stories came out about FFFG and Labour protecting women abusers? Or is your your particular brand of pontificating only confined to groups you don’t agree with?

    Yes.

    Lads like you seem to have no issue criticising the Catholic Churches inaction on child sex abuse, but seem to have no issue with supporting a party that had sex abuse victims brought face to face with their abuser during ‘clear the air’ meetings held about dive pubs in west Belfast, or had a leader who knew his brother was a nonce and sent him over the border to the Republic where he started working with kids.

    Just seems extremely hypocritical is all, dude. Those in glasshouses throwing stones.


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    #56
    collywobble7
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    hurler32 wrote:
    It’s seems in the south at least many of the younger crowd in Sinn Fein are more interested in abortions and travellers rights than a United Ireland .


    Virtue signalling simpletons.


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    Zebra3
    Registered Users Posts: 13,856 ✭✭✭✭Zebra3


    JohnnyFlash wrote: »
    Yes.

    Lads like you seem to have no issue criticising the Catholic Churches inaction on child sex abuse, but seem to have no issue with supporting a party that had sex abuse victims brought face to face with their abuser during ‘clear the air’ meetings held about dive pubs in west Belfast, or had a leader who knew his brother was a nonce and sent him over the border to the Republic where he started working with kids.

    Just seems extremely hypocritical is all, dude. Those in glasshouses throwing stones.

    And lads like you have no issue criticising SF for their inaction on child abuse while supporting parties that locked up women in gulags and allowed the criminals in the RC church to rape their way around the country.

    Just seems extremely hypocritical is all, dude. Those in glasshouses throwing stones.


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    #58
    Zebra3
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    breezy1985 wrote: »
    I was at a mass about 15 years ago for a month's mind and the priest asked us to pray for the poor priests who had lost their way and help them to find the light. No prayers for the poor kids they messed with though.

    Other religions have their problems too and I don't like any of them but the only one matters in this country and the only one that was named in the constitution as special is the catholic one so of course it gets all the attention good and bad and that's why it'll get the mentions in satire and not Mohamed or whoever else not because of "woke"

    Poor priests?

    What a charming way for that scumbag priest to describe rapists.


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    #59
    James Brown
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    Zebra3 wrote: »
    And lads like you have no issue criticising SF for their inaction on child abuse while supporting parties that locked up women in gulags and allowed the criminals in the RC church to rape their way around the country.

    Just seems extremely hypocritical is all, dude. Those in glasshouses throwing stones.

    Don't forget FF TD writing letter for a pedophile and another covering for a cousin who was and FG happy to support them.
    SF's wasn't institutional and stamped by the state. None of it is a proud moment for any of them.


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    #60
    RandomViewer
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    Bowie wrote: »
    Don't forget FF TD writing letter for a pedophile and another covering for a cousin who was and FG happy to support them.

    Terri and the Tuam letters, FG reminiscing whimsically for the good old days


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    #61
    maccored
    Registered Users Posts: 10,661 ✭✭✭✭maccored


    anyone keeping count of the number of sf threads created by sf haters? Seems to be every SF thread as far as i can tell. what a party! not only can they save money and become the richest political party about, but they can also get their detractors to promote them online. pure genius


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