The wondrous adventures of Sinn Fein (part 3) Mod Notes and Threadbanned List in OP

FrancieBrady · 04-02-2021 7:23pm

padd b1975 wrote: »

It's outrageous that it was sent in the first place Francis.

Well I would have to see the Ceann Comhairle inbox tbh to see if this is as unique and outrageous as he says...he doesn't have an issue with doing outrageous stuff himself via letter or email nor acting at the behest of 'unelected' emailers.

https://www.rte.ie/news/politics/2020/1129/1181287-sinn-fein-stanley-tweet/

padd b1975 · 04-02-2021 7:38pm

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Well I would have to see the Ceann Comhairle inbox tbh to see if this is as unique and outrageous as he says...he doesn't have an issue with doing outrageous stuff himself via letter or email nor acting at the behest of 'unelected' emailers.

https://www.rte.ie/news/politics/2020/1129/1181287-sinn-fein-stanley-tweet/

Whataboutery.

FrancieBrady · 04-02-2021 7:40pm

padd b1975 wrote: »

Whataboutery.

Absolutely. I have no respect for this Ceann Comhairle sadly.

maccored · 04-02-2021 7:40pm

blanch152 wrote: »

Just applying Occam's Razor here.?

Most people misquote and misuse the so-called Occam’s Razor. Even when correctly cited the concept has only limited abstract merit and is completely non-operational. It has approximately zero real-world applications .... William of Occam (a.k.a. Ockham or Ocham) is attributed a variety of different “quotes” pertaining to a problem-solving principle based on parsimony / simplicity. They usually state something close to: simpler solutions are preferable to more complex ones; simpler explanations are preferable to more complex ones.
However, this idea is not unique to William of Occam, and there is actually no direct quote from him that one can produce to support that he even made such claims in his works. The closest one gets to are these two quotes:
“Entia non sunt multiplicanda praeter necessitatem”, translating to “Entities must not be multiplied beyond necessity” and “Frustra fit per plura quod potest fieri per pauciora”, translating to “It is futile to do with more things that which can be done with fewer.”

https://towardsdatascience.com/stop-using-the-occams-razor-principle-7281d143f9e6

Brendan Bendar · 04-02-2021 7:45pm

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Absolutely. I have no respect for this Ceann Comhairle sadly.

How come Francie, lad seems quite fair and sensible.

FrancieBrady · 04-02-2021 7:52pm

Brendan Bendar wrote: »

How come Francie, lad seems quite fair and sensible.

I think he's lucky to be in office tbh...saved by a pandemic. I watched a family raise awareness about the letter of support he sent on behalf of an abuser and the campaign gather a head of steam. Micheál (the man who was happy to stand with the 'right' victim for photo ops) studiously ignored the rising calls for the Ceann Comhairle to account. His rather pasty excuse got swamped in the first lockdown. I also don't think he should have involved himself in Arlene's little campaign either. In short, I think he is a party boy when he should be studiously impartial.

Brendan Bendar · 04-02-2021 8:11pm

FrancieBrady wrote: »

I think he's lucky to be in office tbh...saved by a pandemic. I watched a family raise awareness about the letter of support he sent on behalf of an abuser and the campaign gather a head of steam. Micheál (the man who was happy to stand with the 'right' victim for photo ops) studiously ignored the rising calls for the Ceann Comhairle to account. His rather pasty excuse got swamped in the first lockdown. I also don't think he should have involved himself in Arlene's little campaign either. In short, I think he is a party boy when he should be studiously impartial.

Seem to have a bit of skin in the game Francie, so I cannot refute your opinnion!

FrancieBrady · 04-02-2021 8:21pm

Brendan Bendar wrote: »

Seem to have a bit of skin in the game Francie, so I cannot refute your opinnion!

Was discussed here at the time Brendi.

blanch152 · 04-02-2021 11:41pm

Brendan Bendar wrote: »

Seem to have a bit of skin in the game Francie, so I cannot refute your opinnion!

It’s been a bad couple of days around here for the SF supporters.

First we had the SF cronyism = good, while independent process/JAB/state boards.ie = bad. That just has to be left there for anyone to see.

Now we have the hysterical nonsense that the CC is effectively falsely accusing SF, because he didn’t name the ignorant thug who contacted him.

markodaly · 04-02-2021 11:45pm

blanch152 wrote: »

You are missing the point completely.

Appointments made by FF/FG/Green government: transparency through state boards .ie

Appointments made by SF under the Stormont government: cronyism

Simple as that.

Not only that but we have the usual defenders of all things SF, make up wild allegations about ministers or government TD's taking bungs or bribes from 'Dinny' or others..... with no proof mind you...

Siteserv, Children's Hospital, Build to Rent apartments etc.. have been used as examples.

FrancieBrady · 04-02-2021 11:46pm

blanch152 wrote: »

It’s been a bad couple of days around here for the SF supporters.

First we had the SF cronyism = good, while independent process/JAB/state boards.ie = bad. That just has to be left there for anyone to see.

the discussion you ran away from, muttering 'cronyism'?

Now we have the hysterical nonsense that the CC is effectively falsely accusing SF, because he didn’t name the ignorant thug who contacted him.

The discussion where you have made two contentions that are not supported as yet?
That the CC knows the name and that the emailer was 'abusive'.

We're off to the usual start with you taking a ball and running with it.

blanch152 · 04-02-2021 11:49pm

FrancieBrady wrote: »

the discussion you ran away from, muttering 'cronyism'?

The discussion where you have made two contentions that are not supported as yet?
That the CC knows the name and that the emailer was 'abusive'.

We're off to the usual start with you taking a ball and running with it.

Discussion is finished, Francie.

Happy to leave both issues out there for all to see.

FrancieBrady · 04-02-2021 11:58pm

blanch152 wrote: »

Discussion is finished, Francie.

Happy to leave both issues out there for all to see.

So you'll just keep walking from the questions asked of you? Ok.

blanch152 · 05-02-2021 12:01am

FrancieBrady wrote: »

So you'll just keep walking from the questions asked of you? Ok.

It’s the questions that show up the desperate defence of all things SF.

FrancieBrady · 05-02-2021 12:08am

blanch152 wrote: »

It’s the questions that show up the desperate defence of all things SF.

So 'sneaked in' (an invention) wasn't a desperate attempt to convict? Or the absence of any explanation as to what was done wrongly wasn't desperate?
Or the patronising male attitude to a woman's abilities wasn't desperate either?

markodaly · 05-02-2021 12:13am

blanch152 wrote: »

https://www.independent.ie/news/ceann-comhairle-sean-o-fearghail-demands-apology-from-sinn-fein-for-outrageous-email-40051914.html

"The Ceann Comhairle said no one in his office has ever been “dictated to” by party officials. Mr Ó Fearghaíl said none of his predecessors were ever approached by unelected party officials to make complaints. A source at the meeting said the Ceann Comhairle was furious and told Sinn Féin: “I will not accept this and I will not be dictated to”."

You have to feel sorry for O'Feraghail. He obviously never understood that Sinn Fein is run by unelected people behind the scenes.

What are unnamed and unelected SF officials doing writing to the Ceann Comhairle in regards Dail procedure?

Is this just another way to try and bully and intimidate?

McMurphy · 05-02-2021 12:15am

markodaly wrote: »

What are unnamed and unelected SF officials doing writing to the Ceann Comhairle in regards Dail procedure?

Is this just another way to try and bully and intimidate?

I didn't hear anyone from team FG complain when Arlene Foster penned a letter to him to be honest.

Might be because she's on the same team?

markodaly · 05-02-2021 12:15am

FrancieBrady wrote: »

No, the report says it was from an 'Unnamed party official. It does not say the Ceann Comhairle did not name him. So that needs clarification.
Can you also point to where anything was said about 'abuse'. An 'outrageous' email is not necessarily an 'abusive' one. 'Outrageous' because it tried to influence, is the issue I would assume.

Your needs getting the better of you again maybe?

I love the forensic way you analyse language when it suits, yet if the shoe was on the other foot, wild and spurious allegations are made with no evidence or proof.

markodaly · 05-02-2021 12:25am

McMurphy wrote: »

I didn't hear anyone from team FG complain when Arlene Foster penned a letter to him to be honest.

Might be because she's on the same team?

Because there are obvious differences between the First Minister of the NI Executive and an unnamed SF official trying to dictate Dail procedures.

You know that
I know that

markodaly · 05-02-2021 12:28am

Deleted User wrote: »

what are the differences?

Well one is elected, the other is not.

One is the NI First Minister, the other is not.

05-02-2021 12:31am

markodaly wrote: »

Well one is elected, the other is not.

One is the NI First Minister, the other is not.

Neither is elected in the free state??

That whole affair raised all sorts of qs,that have never been answered about the ceann comhairles independance and its long since time,they were answered

McMurphy · 05-02-2021 12:32am

markodaly wrote: »

Because there are obvious differences between the First Minister of the NI Executive and an unnamed SF official trying to dictate Dail procedures.

You know that
I know that

Neither of us know who wrote to the Ceann Comhairle.

You know that and I know it too.

Regardless, Foster had no business writing to him either.

You know that, I know it too.

markodaly · 05-02-2021 12:35am

Deleted User wrote: »

Neither is elected in the free state??

What is the Free State? It doesn't exist anymore.

markodaly · 05-02-2021 12:37am

McMurphy wrote: »

Neither of us know who wrote to the Ceann Comhairle.

The indication is clear that it was not an elected SF rep, it was some backroom official.

Regardless, Foster had no business writing to him either.

Why do you say that?
Certain North/South cross border initiatives are protected in the GFA.

FrancieBrady · 05-02-2021 12:41am

markodaly wrote: »

What are unnamed and unelected SF officials doing writing to the Ceann Comhairle in regards Dail procedure?

Is this just another way to try and bully and intimidate?

Can you show anything other than the Ceann Comhairle's ire, that a party official writing to him is prohibited. Then explain why he acted as head honcho for an unelected person from another jurisdiction?

FrancieBrady · 05-02-2021 12:41am

markodaly wrote: »

I love the forensic way you analyse language when it suits, yet if the shoe was on the other foot, wild and spurious allegations are made with no evidence or proof.

Where?

I have no issues with anyone making allegations, but they have to explain what basis they are made on.

FrancieBrady · 05-02-2021 12:45am

markodaly wrote: »

The indication is clear that it was not an elected SF rep, it was some backroom official.

Why do you say that?
Certain North/South cross border initiatives are protected in the GFA.

What?

the North South initiatives Arlene and Unionism **** on from a height this week?

markodaly · 05-02-2021 12:52am

We are well beyond the looking glass when posters, one of whom is against the GFA, want to somehow prove what 'right' the First Minister of NI has in writing a letter to the Ceann Comhairle in regards comments made by a SF TD about a bomb attack that killed 18 people in NI.

McMurphy · 05-02-2021 12:53am

markodaly wrote: »

The indication is clear that it was not an elected SF rep, it was some backroom official.

Why do you say that?
Certain North/South cross border initiatives are protected in the GFA.

You said an unelected Sinn Fein official has no business writing to, and trying to dictate Dail procedures.

Arlene Foster (I guess) doesn't even hold an Irish passport, and is a member of a party who is openly hostile to our state and many of its citizens.

She's as much right as this unnamed unelected shinner to write to the independent Ceann Comhairle in my opinion.

Talk to me when the DUP run a candidate in the 26 counties. She can try and dictate Dail procedures all day everyday when they do that.

FrancieBrady · 05-02-2021 12:57am

markodaly wrote: »

We are well beyond the looking glass when posters, one of whom is against the GFA, want to somehow prove what 'right' the First Minister of NI has in writing a letter to the Ceann Comhairle in regards comments made by a SF TD about a bomb attack that killed 18 people in NI.

Some of you guys answer a question for once...where is it prohibited for a party official to write to the Ceann Comhairle? Legislation chapter and verse.

05-02-2021 12:57am

markodaly wrote: »

We are well beyond the looking glass when posters, one of whom is against the GFA, want to somehow prove what 'right' the First Minister of NI has in writing a letter to the Ceann Comhairle in regards comments made by a SF TD about a bomb attack that killed 18 people in NI.

Lolz....pivot to outrage,when your bluster is found to have little to no factual basis.....the gfa i read is only 32 pages (i always smile,1 for each county) and not a particularly difficult jargon heavy document,everyone should read it at least once

markodaly · 05-02-2021 1:01am

McMurphy wrote: »

You said an unelected Sinn Fein official has no business writing to, and trying to dictate Dail procedures.

Arlene Foster (I guess) doesn't even hold an Irish passport, and is a member of a party who is openly hostile to our state and many of its citizens.

She's as much right as this unnamed unelected shinner to write to the independent Ceann Comhairle in my opinion.

The obtuse argument.

Arlene Foster is an elected member of the NI Assembly and is the First Minister of NI. You may as well state that no one outside of Ireland, be they elected or not, has any right to write to the Ceann Comhairle or speak at the Dail or say boo to anyone Irish TD, because they were not elected?

Here is the 'unelected' Bill Clinton speaking at the Dail.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cd1XEJX2abA

Yes, through the looking glass folks.

blanch152 · 05-02-2021 1:02am

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Some of you guys answer a question for once...where is it prohibited for a party official to write to the Ceann Comhairle? Legislation chapter and verse.

So now you are admitting that the party official did write to the Ceann Comhairle.

FrancieBrady · 05-02-2021 1:03am

markodaly wrote: »

The obtuse argument.

Arlene Foster is an elected member of the NI Assembly and is the First Minister of NI. You may as well state that no one outside of Ireland, be they elected or not, has any right to write to the Ceann Comhairle or speak at the Dail or say boo to anyone Irish TD, because they were not elected?

Here is the 'unelected' Bill Clinton speaking at the Dail.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cd1XEJX2abA

Yes, through the looking glass folks.

When you are ready with the legislation on who is 'entitled' to write to the CC.

blanch152 · 05-02-2021 1:04am

FrancieBrady wrote: »

So 'sneaked in' (an invention) wasn't a desperate attempt to convict? Or the absence of any explanation as to what was done wrongly wasn't desperate?
Or the patronising male attitude to a woman's abilities wasn't desperate either?

Sneaked in = announce it quietly over Christmas break

Standing over that.

As for Liadh's abilities, nothing to do with her being a woman. If they had put up Ferris, I would have said the same thing.

markodaly · 05-02-2021 1:04am

Deleted User wrote: »

Lolz....pivot to outrage,when your bluster is found to have little to no factual basis.....the gfa i read is only 32 pages (i always smile,1 for each county) and not a particularly difficult jargon heavy document,everyone should read it at least once

In fairness, I won't be taking talking points from you about the GFA, when you are against it, and support the new Republican dissidents in the North.

Your record is clear on what you are 'for'.

McMurphy · 05-02-2021 1:04am

markodaly wrote: »

The obtuse argument.

Arlene Foster is an elected member of the NI Assembly and is the First Minister of NI. You may as well state that no one outside of Ireland, be they elected or not, has any right to write to the Ceann Comhairle or speak at the Dail or say boo to anyone Irish TD, because they were not elected?

Here is the 'unelected' Bill Clinton speaking at the Dail.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cd1XEJX2abA

Yes, through the looking glass folks.

You are the one claiming someone has "no right" writing to the Ceann Comhairle because they are an unelected official from a party.

With that in mind.....You missed this.

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Some of you guys answer a question for once...where is it prohibited for a party official to write to the Ceann Comhairle? Legislation chapter and verse.

markodaly · 05-02-2021 1:05am

FrancieBrady wrote: »

When you are ready with the legislation on who is 'entitled' to write to the CC.

Obtuse factored by 10...

FrancieBrady · 05-02-2021 1:05am

blanch152 wrote: »

So now you are admitting that the party official did write to the Ceann Comhairle.

I never denned it. I asked you why you assumed they were 'named' and why they were 'abusive'. Whenever you are ready to explain...fire away.

05-02-2021 1:06am

markodaly wrote: »

In fairness, I won't be taking talking points from you about the GFA, when you are against it, and support the new Republican dissidents in the North.

Your record is clear on what you are 'for'.

Mate....yous can discuss the gfa irregardless of supporting it....i mean your here discussing shinners??

Have you really not read it?

(Its patently obvious,why corporal dave,aka soldier f will never see court if you do......state should be pushing to bring him to hague imo)

FrancieBrady · 05-02-2021 1:06am

markodaly wrote: »

Obtuse factored by 10...

So you have nothing only a strop from a FF CC. Okie doke mark...another cul de sac so.

markodaly · 05-02-2021 1:07am

McMurphy wrote: »

You are the one claiming someone has "no right" writing to the Ceann Comhairle because they are an unelected official from a party.

I never said that "no right", please quote me. :pac:

blanch152 · 05-02-2021 1:07am

FrancieBrady wrote: »

I never denned it. I asked you why you assumed they were 'named' and why they were 'abusive'. Whenever you are ready to explain...fire away.

The article was clear enough that the CC knew who it was but had not named the person at the meeting.

You pretending not to understand that was the highlight of the evening.

blanch152 · 05-02-2021 1:08am

markodaly wrote: »

I never said that "no right", please quote me. :pac:

The thread should be renamed the Sinn Fein semantics thread!!!

FrancieBrady · 05-02-2021 1:10am

blanch152 wrote: »

The article was clear enough that the CC knew who it was but had not named the person at the meeting.

You pretending not to understand that was the highlight of the evening.

Where was it clear?

I'll tell what is dangerously clear to me...the CC is far from impartial. This coincides with a now almost daily attack on SF from his party leader Michael Martin.

McMurphy · 05-02-2021 1:11am

markodaly wrote: »

I never said that "no right", please quote me. :pac:

So.... They had every right to write to the Ceann Comhairle?

What.... Is........ The......... Issue so?

Pages and pages of pedantic shyte over what?

markodaly · 05-02-2021 1:11am

FrancieBrady wrote: »

...the CC is far from impartial. .

You are going to need some proof for this claim Francie.

FrancieBrady · 05-02-2021 1:11am

markodaly wrote: »

I never said that "no right", please quote me. :pac:

Reverse reverse reverse.

05-02-2021 1:12am

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Where was it clear?

I'll tell what is dangerously clear to me...the CC is far from impartial. This coincides with a now almost daily attack on SF from his party leader Michael Martin.

i felt martins comments other day,to a niece of the woman murdered in gilbraltor showed what they really think of justice in the north and was particularly callous

Also gave an insight into mindset,that wanted to commerate the black and tans

FrancieBrady · 05-02-2021 1:13am

markodaly wrote: »

You are going to need some proof for this claim Francie.

'dangerously clear to me' means it is my opinion which is thankfully not controlled by you.

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