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New Motor bike Helmet - where to get one in Dublin ?

  • 20-11-2020 7:13pm
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    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,608 ✭✭✭


    back on the road again soon after a few years ...

    Who has the best range of lids?

    I like flip tops but they are noisier? Lovely in the summer


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,290 ✭✭✭Miscreant


    worded wrote: »
    back on the road again soon after a few years ...

    Who has the best range of lids?

    I like flip tops but they are noisier? Lovely in the summer

    You could try Cotters. They always seem to have a decent range in stock.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,459 ✭✭✭zubair


    Lids are much cheaper online from the UK.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,040 ✭✭✭✭Del2005


    zubair wrote: »
    Lids are much cheaper online from the UK.

    You need to get your head measured correctly and try one on for a while to make sure that they fit correctly, you can't do that online and no saving is worth an incorrectly fitting lid. I've had Arai and Carberg with no issues Shark didn't suit my head.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,727 ✭✭✭Nozebleed


    megabikes in ballymount have a nice display.


  • Registered Users Posts: 87 ✭✭Fireblade77


    Flip helmets are not noisier , they have a smaller opening when closed, so are quieter, ie Shoei neo tech 2 are quieter than a sports helmet.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,459 ✭✭✭zubair


    Flip helmets are not noisier , they have a smaller opening when closed, so are quieter, ie Shoei neo tech 2 are quieter than a sports helmet.

    There's no doubt the majority of modular lids are noisier.

    Del2005 wrote: »
    You need to get your head measured correctly and try one on for a while to make sure that they fit correctly, you can't do that online and no saving is worth an incorrectly fitting lid. I've had Arai and Carberg with no issues Shark didn't suit my head.

    Hence why you go into the shop, try it on, walk out and buy online. Even with budget lids the price difference is 50+.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,937 ✭✭✭SmartinMartin


    Cotters are probably the best value and have a very good selection.
    There's a reason megabucks are referred to as such.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,040 ✭✭✭✭Del2005


    zubair wrote: »



    Hence why you go into the shop, try it on, walk out and buy online. Even with budget lids the price difference is 50+.

    And when the local shop closes what do you do?


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,843 ✭✭✭dmigsy


    Del2005 wrote: »
    And when the local shop closes what do you do?

    It's a tricky one. Trying on in-store with no intent to buy isn't cool. Neither is the Irish shops having ridiculous prices and poor service levels. Shops need to up their game and make it easier for people to support them.

    I buy most of my stuff online now having had nothing but poor experiences buying bikes and gear from Irish shops.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,037 ✭✭✭IrishGrimReaper


    Bought a lid of SBS - was too small. Sent it back and they changed to a size up for me and posted it out with no issue. Cost me 20ish euro to post back

    Pretty much all online shops will take them back if you don't remove the tags. Just means it takes longer but the return policy is so good I don't mind buying online without trying on. Just take your measurement and read reviews of how they fit other people sizewise and take a stab at it.

    The white version of mine is €300 on SBS, it's €450 in bikeworld. The vias red which is the one I have is €430 on Louis and cost me €340 over 19 months ago on SBS.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,483 ✭✭✭✭blade1


    Bought a lid of SBS - was too small. Sent it back and they changed to a size up for me and posted it out with no issue. Cost me 20ish euro to post back

    Pretty much all online shops will take them back if you don't remove the tags. Just means it takes longer but the return policy is so good I don't mind buying online without trying on. Just take your measurement and read reviews of how they fit other people sizewise and take a stab at it.

    The white version of mine is €300 on SBS, it's €450 in bikeworld. The vias red which is the one I have is €430 on Louis and cost me €340 over 19 months ago on SBS.

    I've said it here before but sign up for free PayPal returns.
    You get 12 free returns a year up to €30 per return.
    I'm after sending back 3 items by registered post in the last 2 weeks which would have cost me a total of €64.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,040 ✭✭✭✭Del2005


    dmigsy wrote: »
    It's a tricky one. Trying on in-store with no intent to buy isn't cool. Neither is the Irish shops having ridiculous prices and poor service levels. Shops need to up their game and make it easier for people to support them.

    I buy most of my stuff online now having had nothing but poor experiences buying bikes and gear from Irish shops.

    Irish prices are high because we are an expensive country with high wages, taxes and charges on businesses. If a store let's you try something on how is that poor service? There are plenty of Irish stores that provide excellent service, why not support them instead?

    Don't get me wrong I buy plenty online. But for a lot of things having a shop you can walk into makes the higher prices OK.


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,843 ✭✭✭dmigsy


    Del2005 wrote: »
    Irish prices are high because we are an expensive country with high wages, taxes and charges on businesses. If a store let's you try something on how is that poor service? There are plenty of Irish stores that provide excellent service, why not support them instead?

    Don't get me wrong I buy plenty online. But for a lot of things having a shop you can walk into makes the higher prices OK.

    I don't disagree with the sentiment of your last point - I'm happy to pay a bit more for convenience and for good service. My experience is that it's usually not a bit more - it's a lot more.

    I'd love to hear which are the Irish stores that provide great service btw!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 35,558 ✭✭✭✭Hotblack Desiato


    My current helmet was bought online from motorcycleshop.ie, cheaper than the UK online options.

    I know a Shoei large fits me so there was no risk with sizing.

    Scrap the cap!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,459 ✭✭✭zubair


    dmigsy wrote: »
    It's a tricky one. Trying on in-store with no intent to buy isn't cool. Neither is the Irish shops having ridiculous prices and poor service levels. Shops need to up their game and make it easier for people to support them.

    I buy most of my stuff online now having had nothing but poor experiences buying bikes and gear from Irish shops.

    I disagree but still that's not what I do. I go in, try on and once I'm happy I'll always give them the option to price match. If they don't, I walk away. There's nothing uncool about that. And I'd expect the exact price I find online or I go elsewhere, have had cheeky price matches where they offer to knock 20 off but are still 20 over the online price. I don't just apply this to motorbike gear, I can't understand why anyone would try and keep a rip off merchant in business, if they want to stay in business they should price accordingly.
    Bought a lid of SBS - was too small. Sent it back and they changed to a size up for me and posted it out with no issue. Cost me 20ish euro to post back

    Pretty much all online shops will take them back if you don't remove the tags. Just means it takes longer but the return policy is so good I don't mind buying online without trying on. Just take your measurement and read reviews of how they fit other people sizewise and take a stab at it.

    The white version of mine is €300 on SBS, it's €450 in bikeworld. The vias red which is the one I have is €430 on Louis and cost me €340 over 19 months ago on SBS.

    This sums it up pretty well, I remember that even the white version of my first lid was 50 more in bike world compared to the colourway I got online.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,040 ✭✭✭✭Del2005


    zubair wrote: »
    I disagree but still that's not what I do. I go in, try on and once I'm happy I'll always give them the option to price match. If they don't, I walk away. There's nothing uncool about that. And I'd expect the exact price I find online or I go elsewhere, have had cheeky price matches where they offer to knock 20 off but are still 20 over the online price. I don't just apply this to motorbike gear, I can't understand why anyone would try and keep a rip off merchant in business, if they want to stay in business they should price accordingly.

    How do you expect a company paying Irish wages, insurance, rates, tax to match a company paying none of them?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,459 ✭✭✭zubair


    Del2005 wrote: »
    How do you expect a company paying Irish wages, insurance, rates, tax to match a company paying none of them?

    If you want to pay over the odds, that's your perogative. But I'd rather my money was in my pocket than theirs.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,319 ✭✭✭emo72


    Isn't there 21% vat on Irish helmets and zero vat rate on helmets in the uk? That's not an even playing pitch to be honest. Someone tell me in wrong. I want to be wrong.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 35,558 ✭✭✭✭Hotblack Desiato


    Totally unreasonable to expect a shop to price match some guy operating online out of his bedroom with zero overheads and probably not paying tax.

    And yes we have "luxury" rate VAT on helmets despite their being a legal requirement, zero rate in the UK as they were zero rated there when they joined the EEC.

    Even so, I've found the usual UK online outlets to be not very price competitive.

    Scrap the cap!



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,459 ✭✭✭zubair


    Totally unreasonable to expect a shop to price match some guy operating online out of his bedroom with zero overheads and probably not paying tax.

    And yes we have "luxury" rate VAT on helmets despite their being a legal requirement, zero rate in the UK as they were zero rated there when they joined the EEC.

    Even so, I've found the usual UK online outlets to be not very price competitive.

    I don't know if you're just being argumentative today but this is just rubbish. Firstly there's nothing unreasonable about giving a shop an opportunity to make a sale. Seemingly now SBS, get geared and the rest are all run from bedrooms and commiting tax fraud. And they are incredibly competitive compared to pretty much all Irish shops. You might find the odd item that's the same price online compared to an Irish retail shop, typically it'll be a new release and still at RRP online.

    Anyway, like I said, if you want to pay the extra for whatever reason, that's up to you.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 34,111 ✭✭✭✭listermint


    zubair wrote: »
    I disagree but still that's not what I do. I go in, try on and once I'm happy I'll always give them the option to price match. If they don't, I walk away. There's nothing uncool about that. And I'd expect the exact price I find online or I go elsewhere, have had cheeky price matches where they offer to knock 20 off but are still 20 over the online price. I don't just apply this to motorbike gear, I can't understand why anyone would try and keep a rip off merchant in business, if they want to stay in business they should price accordingly.



    This sums it up pretty well, I remember that even the white version of my first lid was 50 more in bike world compared to the colourway I got online.

    Zubair. That's a pretty scummy thing to do in fairness. Irish helmets have a 21% vat rate on them because the government believes them to be a luxury item same for jackets and gloves.

    You expecting them to exactly match a shop that's not in this country that doesn't have the luxury goods tax applied. I'd feck you out the door frankly. It's an absolutely bizarre stance to take and cheeky to boot having handled the goods to make sure you like the quality and stuck your head in the make sure it fits.

    You are positively oozing smugness.

    I buy plenty of stuff online and I take the risk stuff doesn't fit me of it arrives.but that's my risk to take I wouldn't be so smug as to do what you are up to.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,459 ✭✭✭zubair


    LOL


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,304 ✭✭✭Chartsengrafs


    You offer to let them price match, knowing they can't, and make full use of their service for free. Classy attitude.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,040 ✭✭✭✭Del2005


    dmigsy wrote: »

    I'd love to hear which are the Irish stores that provide great service btw!

    Cotters are always good service. When buying gear Megabikes let me downstairs to sit on a bit to make sure that it was comfortable, after trying about 5 different trousers.

    Just avoid M50!


  • Moderators, Business & Finance Moderators Posts: 17,760 Mod ✭✭✭✭Henry Ford III


    I'd buy locally if the price and service are competitive.

    Having said that the last helmet I bought was a Caberg online. I measured my head (oh er Matron) and ordered. Perfect.

    p.s. I find modular helmets are good, but they do make more noise at speed.


  • Registered Users Posts: 126 ✭✭fatbast


    Shops here are at a disadvantage with safety gear such as helmets due to the vat charge. No vat in UK or Northern Ireland on them. Don't know what the situation will be after Dec 31 with stuff coming from UK, possibly tariffs and vat to be added to price. I would buy an expensive helmet here and would take a chance online for a cheap one.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,794 ✭✭✭✭galwaytt


    zubair wrote: »
    I disagree but still that's not what I do. I go in, try on and once I'm happy I'll always give them the option to price match. If they don't, I walk away. There's nothing uncool about that. And I'd expect the exact price I find online or I go elsewhere, have had cheeky price matches where they offer to knock 20 off but are still 20 over the online price. I don't just apply this to motorbike gear, I can't understand why anyone would try and keep a rip off merchant in business, if they want to stay in business they should price accordingly. .

    Not only is it not 'uncool', it's ignorant.

    It's ignorant of the costs of doing business in this (small) country.
    It's ignorant of the (modest) number of jobs the local place create and maintain.
    It's ignorant of the difference between some warehouse on an industrial estate with no customer-facing operation versus a business you have the luxury of being able to walk into in the first place.
    It's ignorant of the costs of property (rent or mortgage), insurance, wages, administration.
    It's ignorant of the definition of 'rip-off merchant' (your words).

    How about this: why should the shop allow you to try it on at all ? Or, better still, would you pay a fee in order to try it on ? If not, sling your hook and t'internet is over there: along with the return postage and restocking fees that go with it.

    I've been there myself in the last week. Bought an expensive branded item (made in the US) from a UK company. I could not get it to it (safely, properly). Contacted the shop, they confirmed it was the right one list for the bike. Contacted the factory in the US, and they said the same. So I took pictures and video and sent it to the factory, and then they admitted it did fit - but now with modifications to the brake system. New bike, no way José. The UK shop will take it back, but charge 20% restocking - even though the part doesn't fit as advertised, and the mfr now admits that. So rather than give them the benefit of my 20% and the costs of posting it to them, I stuck it on eBay and gave another biker the benefit of that 20% - PLUS €18 postage to the UK. So in that case t'internet was lose/lose proposition for me.

    I wonder what your attitude would be to someone doing the same to the business you work in/for ?

    McCallens in N.I. have not dissimilar experience with visitors like yourself, and no longer give carte blanche test rides due to the number of tyre kickers from RoI.

    Duffys M50 inside the last week said test rides were not a problem - at a cost of €30/head. Not unreasonable if someone is letting you out the road on a €20k+ machine imho.

    Me, I bought my last lid in Cotters. Went there on one of their Open Days when Shark had their fitting truck there. There was a promotion on the day, and a professional fitter to adjust it and fit the pinlock too. Paid less than online. A couple of months later had an issue with the visor mechanism and the pinlock and Cotters sent it off to to Shark. Shark issued me with a brand new helmet f.o.c. and Cotters had collected my old without cost to me either.

    You see, there's a difference between 'price' and 'value'. Everyone can tell you the Price of something, but not everyone, the Value. This, it appears to me, is where you are.

    Ode To The Motorist

    “And my existence, while grotesque and incomprehensible to you, generates funds to the exchequer. You don't want to acknowledge that as truth because, deep down in places you don't talk about at the Green Party, you want me on that road, you need me on that road. We use words like freedom, enjoyment, sport and community. We use these words as the backbone of a life spent instilling those values in our families and loved ones. You use them as a punch line. I have neither the time nor the inclination to explain myself to a man who rises and sleeps under the tax revenue and the very freedom to spend it that I provide, and then questions the manner in which I provide it. I would rather you just said "thank you" and went on your way. Otherwise I suggest you pick up a bus pass and get the ********* ********* off the road” 



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 985 ✭✭✭Mjolnir


    Dohvolle wrote: »
    Don't buy online, you don't know how often it has bounced before it reached you.

    Because magic fairies hand deliver them to brick and mortar shops?

    You can tell by the conditions of the box its been shipped in and its own box if its been hopped or bounced around. If it arrives with clearly damaged box you raise a complaint send it back a lot will waive the courier return fee of its clear it was mishandled during delivery.

    I don't agree with trying on and walking out but I'm not going to pay an extra €100 for the exact same lid or in my lids case €150.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 985 ✭✭✭Mjolnir


    Dohvolle wrote: »
    The magic faries deliver them in a crate, which is designed to manage the knocks and bumps of transport. They are packaged usually in light cardboard boxes, for display purposes. This box is not designed for transport. Some dealers will put your helmet box inside another box, which has styrobeads, or shreaded paper, to take the shock.
    Bit late finding out your seller didn't do that after you forked out a weeks wages, and you have to pay to send it back and they say how do we know you didnt do that when you got it etc...

    Think ya might need to look into online selling laws bud.
    With many mates and family members in warehouse, haulage and deliveries I can promise you not all of them are shipped in wooden crates


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,319 ✭✭✭emo72


    "Rip off merchant". I don't know how anyone runs a retail business in ireland. The amount of overheads and compulsory costs and insurances would scare you ****less. Even waste disposal is expensive, and electricity. It's madness. And God help you trying to make a bit of profit to cover the overheads. You'll be labeled a rip off merchant. It's not really fair.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 985 ✭✭✭Mjolnir


    emo72 wrote: »
    "Rip off merchant". I don't know how anyone runs a retail business in ireland. The amount of overheads and compulsory costs and insurances would scare you ****less. Even waste disposal is expensive, and electricity. It's madness. And God help you trying to make a bit of profit to cover the overheads. You'll be labeled a rip off merchant. It's not really fair.

    I'd never label them rip off merchants on lids, simple fact is we charge vat on them where as the likes of Germany don't. Of course they have to cover costs and make a profit, but with the way modern consumers shop especially with ease of ordering and receiving in a week or less for far less the competition is too strong for most.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,459 ✭✭✭zubair


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  • Registered Users Posts: 142 ✭✭chalky024


    Mjolnir wrote: »
    I'd never label them rip off merchants on lids, simple fact is we charge vat on them where as the likes of Germany don't. Of course they have to cover costs and make a profit, but with the way modern consumers shop especially with ease of ordering and receiving in a week or less for far less the competition is too strong for most.

    The VAT is a rip off! This petition will probably go nowhere with the Government of this country as MAG have been chasing it for years but it's possibly worth another shot?

    http://chng.it/bc9QvDFtKR


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,572 ✭✭✭Skill Magill


    blade1 wrote: »
    I've said it here before but sign up for free PayPal returns.
    You get 12 free returns a year up to €30 per return.
    I'm after sending back 3 items by registered post in the last 2 weeks which would have cost me a total of €64.

    Goddamn I didn't know that and its free too!!

    Just signed up for it on my paypal account

    Link

    1. Return your item
    Follow the seller’s return instructions for your purchase. Remember to keep a copy of your return shipping receipt.


    2. Submit a Refund Request
    Log into your PayPal account, select the purchase you returned and click on “Request return shipping refund”. Submit the return shipping request form, along with proof of your return within 30 days.


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    Cheers dude


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,483 ✭✭✭✭blade1


    Goddamn I didn't know that and its free too!!

    Just signed up for it on my paypal account

    Link

    1. Return your item
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    3. Receive your refund
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    Cheers dude


    Yep, here's the last one I did last week.
    Takes some of the risk away from ordering online.

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  • Registered Users Posts: 163 ✭✭Japcati2020


    Ah the good aul helmet debate is alive n kicking..
    Dont buy online,this shop is sh!t,that brand is crap.
    This sort of thread never gets old........:pac:


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,843 ✭✭✭knucklehead6


    Ah the good aul helmet debate is alive n kicking..
    Dont buy online,this shop is sh!t,that brand is crap.
    This sort of thread never gets old........:pac:

    So what’s your opinion?


  • Registered Users Posts: 163 ✭✭Japcati2020


    So what’s your opinion?

    I buy a helmet I like,and that fits correctly,or get it custom fitted to suit.
    I check out the various types of tints for the visor available,and buy them.
    I put the helmet on my head,and I go off biking.
    Simples......


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,843 ✭✭✭knucklehead6


    I buy a helmet I like,and that fits correctly,or get it custom fitted to suit.
    I check out the various types of tints for the visor available,and buy them.
    I put the helmet on my head,and I go off biking.
    Simples......

    Fair enough.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,794 ✭✭✭✭galwaytt


    Mjolnir wrote: »
    I don't agree with trying on and walking out but I'm not going to pay an extra €100 for the exact same lid or in my lids case €150.

    That's fine, I'd be all for saving the €100/€150 too: but you can't expect the local shop to facilitate you giving the business to someone else.

    I buy stuff online all the time, and I'm even looking at a car atmo - but I honestly won't go into the local dealer to test drive his because he has a demo car available, when I'm honestly not going to buy (his).

    Ode To The Motorist

    “And my existence, while grotesque and incomprehensible to you, generates funds to the exchequer. You don't want to acknowledge that as truth because, deep down in places you don't talk about at the Green Party, you want me on that road, you need me on that road. We use words like freedom, enjoyment, sport and community. We use these words as the backbone of a life spent instilling those values in our families and loved ones. You use them as a punch line. I have neither the time nor the inclination to explain myself to a man who rises and sleeps under the tax revenue and the very freedom to spend it that I provide, and then questions the manner in which I provide it. I would rather you just said "thank you" and went on your way. Otherwise I suggest you pick up a bus pass and get the ********* ********* off the road” 



  • Registered Users Posts: 87 ✭✭Fireblade77


    Ah the good aul helmet debate is alive n kicking..
    Dont buy online,this shop is sh!t,that brand is crap.
    This sort of thread never gets old........:pac:

    You forgot about myths and misinformation.


  • Registered Users Posts: 163 ✭✭Japcati2020


    You forgot about myths and misinformation.


    Aka....all the sh!t talk and bolloxoligy.....:pac:


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 985 ✭✭✭Mjolnir


    galwaytt wrote: »
    That's fine, I'd be all for saving the €100/€150 too: but you can't expect the local shop to facilitate you giving the business to someone else.

    I buy stuff online all the time, and I'm even looking at a car atmo - but I honestly won't go into the local dealer to test drive his because he has a demo car available, when I'm honestly not going to buy (his).

    I've never tried anything bike gear related on in a shop
    I measure my head to manufacturer spec and look to what shape it suits and read reviews. Couldn't be a$sed going into try on helmets to then go home and order it


  • Registered Users Posts: 163 ✭✭Japcati2020


    Anyway some shops are now "by appointment only".
    You cant just rock up and walk in.
    Crossans are operating that way for the moment.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 34,111 ✭✭✭✭listermint


    Anyway some shops are now "by appointment only".
    You cant just rock up and walk in.
    Crossans are operating that way for the moment.

    All shops.


    It's level 5.


  • Registered Users Posts: 163 ✭✭Japcati2020


    listermint wrote: »
    All shops.


    It's level 5.


    Eh not at all.
    You can just walk in to a bike shop (with facemask) in Dublin and look around.
    Did it earlier on in 3 of them


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 34,111 ✭✭✭✭listermint


    Eh not at all.
    You can just walk in to a bike shop (with facemask) in Dublin and look around.
    Did it earlier on in 3 of them

    Should be closed sans the service or parts department.


  • Registered Users Posts: 163 ✭✭Japcati2020


    listermint wrote: »
    Should be closed sans the service or parts department.


    I was getting service parts.
    Ah here listen,stop your complaining and go off on your bike somewhere for a spin instead.
    Might do ya some good,instead of being on here complaining......lol.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 34,111 ✭✭✭✭listermint


    I was getting service parts.
    Ah here listen,stop your complaining and go off on your bike somewhere for a spin instead.
    Might do ya some good,instead of being on here complaining......lol.

    Errr no one was questioning why you were there ya pleb. Just saying the shops should have been closed under the restrictions.
    .I suggest you chill out no one including me cares where you go or why . Vrroom vrrroom


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