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Censorship

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  • 07-04-2004 10:21pm
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    flogen
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    a thorny issue if ever there was one, especially given the current climate in the US:
    as far as the media goes, how much censorship is too much?

    lets divide it into two catagories, before 9PM and after 9PM....

    I feel that before 9PM, bad language should be out, along with anything of an explicitly sexual nature. I think nudity is generally ok, its nature, we can look in the mirror and see it any time we like.

    After 9PM, ban language is ok, although certain words such as c*nt should be avoided as much as possible (but not banned)... sex scenes are ok, once their not anything hardcore;).

    I think that to blame tv and radio for how kids grow up is a cop out. its up to the parents to make sure their kids dont get the wrong influences or ideas. TV is always there, but you dont have to watch it, just like drugs are always a part of society, but you dont have to take them, and you do so at your own risk... saying that, i think that there should still be guidelines, so bad language and explicit sex scenes should be avoided at times that children are almost certainly going to watch.

    Flogen


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    Exit
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    Well then why shouldn't hardcore sex be allowed? It's part of nature too.

    I actually agree with you pretty much. Just playing Devil's Advocate. I think Britain and Ireland have a pretty good system. Can't stand the hypocritical censorship of the US.


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    star gazer
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    I agree with the previous two contributions,
    originally posted by exit
    Can't stand the hypocritical censorship of the US.
    the janet jackson breast incident was very strange and would seem only to force some kind of shame for having a part of a woman's anatomy exposed. I think it sends out the message to be ashamed of your body and you must hide it away. While i'm not saying everyone should run around naked i think that there is a point where you over-do the censorship thing and that was one of them.
    originally posted by flogen
    I think that to blame tv and radio for how kids grow up is a cop out.
    yeah parents, teachers and minders have the bigger influence, but if they choose to have the tv mind the kids then indirectly they are responsible. Bad things happen in life, it's not always good to shield young people from it. I think we have a reasonable balance in this country though.


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    flogen
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    just to show how far the US is going (and I expect its going to get worse before it gets better):
    http://news.yahoo.com/fc?tmpl=fc&cid=34&in=world&cat=media_watch

    Flogen


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    monument
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    Censorship – down with that sort of thing!

    Although, I believe in protecting children with watersheds etc.


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    AngelofFire
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    i support the watershed as it prevents minors from viewing programmes that their parents would see to be unsuitable for them. but what i watch is my business not of the state provided its withing the parameters of decency and legality, i dont understand the ban on hardcore pornography on public television. it would make sense to legalise it. most eu countries show porn films on public television after hours.


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    flogen
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 10,243 Mod ✭✭✭✭flogen


    yeah, i think its fair to say that there is a watershed for good reason, however, after a certain time I think that things should be much more relaxed, its up to the adult to decide to watch it or not, and whether their children should be able to watch it too, whatever it may be.

    Flogen


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    Creamy Goodness
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    Originally posted by monument
    Censorship – down with that sort of thing!

    Although, I believe in protecting children with watersheds etc.


    "Careful now!"

    *hehe sorry couldn't resist the fr.ted quote*

    i think the irish/english system is alright but american one is the worst thing i've seen in my life.

    when i was over there i was watching jackass after 9pm and one of the lads said crap and it was bleeped like come on. :rolleyes:


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    neXus9
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    I don't think hardcore porn would be safe on public tv. With something like sky digital, it can be password protected.

    With porn on public tv, if a child can't sleep in the middle of the night, he goes down stairs and watches tv, then BAM!!! porn!!

    I suppose if people can use their video recorder as a protector for certain channels after a certain time, that would be ok, but most people only have the basic video recorder.


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    flogen
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 10,243 Mod ✭✭✭✭flogen


    but thats the thing nexus, if its late at night, its the parents job (or should be) to monitor what their child is watching. If it was something unsuitable like porn then they should turn the TV off, its not like it will be on every channel if it was at all, and even if it was, there are DVDs and Videos (or they could give the child a slap and say 'shaddap and get to bed you brat ;))

    I dont think it should be TVs job to babysit children, especially not at night time, its a cop out to say that something shouldnt be shown at night because its unsuitable to kids, if it is, turn it off.

    Flogen


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    monument
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    Originally posted by Cr3m0
    when i was over there i was watching jackass after 9pm and one of the lads said crap and it was bleeped like come on. :rolleyes:

    MTV - I'm thinking that's the station's own censorship...


    Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.

    — The First Amendment to the U.S. Constitution


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    neXus9
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    What I was saying though, is that public tv should have a protective measure other than simply a watershed, like a password prompt when porn is on. I don't think it's the parents fault if a kid walks down at night after not been able to sleep to be faced with porn on tv, but having said that, they could always lock the sitting room door.


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    flogen
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 10,243 Mod ✭✭✭✭flogen


    hopefully as digital becomes more and more the norm, something like passwords can be implemented, at the disgression of the parents (as it works at the moment afaik), sadly with analoge TV thats not really possible....
    I do see your point though, although as you said, there are ways around it too

    Flogen


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    neXus9
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    Yeah, I think passwords are the way to go, especially with something like slumber parties.


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    Exit
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    Originally posted by monument
    MTV - I'm thinking that's the station's own censorship...


    Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.

    — The First Amendment to the U.S. Constitution

    That's still pretty ****ty that all of the channels over there censor practically everything, excluding violence of course.

    Anyway, if they didn't censor stuff, first amendment or not you can bet they'd be getting fined by the FCC etc. See Janet Jackson and Howard Stern.


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    #16
    flogen
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 10,243 Mod ✭✭✭✭flogen


    as far as Censorship goes the US has gone to the dogs, lets hope to the higher power that no-one here starts commending their crack down and calling for us to copy.

    (take for example the new DVD player that seemlessly cuts out bad language, violence and nudity from films, rightly so the Directors Guild has filed a suit against the makers, saying they have no right to cut their films or to decide what is acceptable or not).
    While the issue is about freedom of speech, it is also about freedom of choice. As an adult I feel I should have the choice of seeing violence, profanity and sex on TV, I may never watch it, but I should be allowed to make that decision as an adult. I agree that limits should be in place, and in most cases the British and Irish setup is grand (except for MTVs Nazi like censorship, and afew other bits here and there).
    I just hope that we do not get on the bandwaggon thats rolling in the US of A

    Flogen


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    #17
    monument
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    Originally posted by Exit
    ****ty

    See censorship - ****! :)


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    #18
    loismustdie
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    during t he day ther should be heavy cencorship becasue of kids, however the news is disturbing also or the real life situations kids will witness aren't all barney shows. at night or when kids shouldn't be watching. we should realise that we're all people of the world and if we're offended by a wrod or image it's our own problem. as long as parents monitor what theire kids watch or producers give age or guidlines their should be freedom n the making of the film or show


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