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"When Irish Eyes are Crying"

  • 03-02-2011 11:55am
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    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,379 ✭✭✭


    Michael Lewis Article from Vanity fair. Excellent read, pretty much sums us up, even notes that the travellers didn't fall into the property bubble. ;)

    http://www.vanityfair.com/online/daily/2011/02/michael-lewis.html

    EDIT: - Its 9 pages long see post 2 for full Article.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,379 ✭✭✭Smcgie


    http://www.vanityfair.com/business/features/2011/03/michael-lewis-ireland-201103
    When Irish Eyes Are Crying
    First Iceland. Then Greece. Now Ireland, which headed for bankruptcy with its own mysterious logic. In 2000, suddenly among the richest people in Europe, the Irish decided to buy their country—from one another. After which their banks and government really screwed them. So where’s the rage?

    When I flew to Dublin in early November, the Irish government was busy helping the Irish people come to terms with their loss. It had been two years since a handful of Irish politicians and bankers decided to guarantee all the debts of the country’s biggest banks, but the people were only now getting their minds around what that meant for them. The numbers were breathtaking. A single bank, Anglo Irish, which, two years before, the Irish government had claimed was merely suffering from a “liquidity problem,” faced losses of up to 34 billion euros. To get some sense of how “34 billion euros” sounds to Irish ears, an American thinking in dollars needs to multiply it by roughly one hundred: $3.4 trillion. And that was for a single bank. As the sum total of loans made by Anglo Irish, most of it to Irish property developers, was only 72 billion euros, the bank had lost nearly half of every dollar it invested.

    The two other big Irish banks, Bank of Ireland and, especially, Allied Irish Banks (A.I.B.), remained Ireland’s dirty little secrets. Both older than Ireland itself (the Bank of Ireland was founded back in 1783; A.I.B. is made up of three banks founded in the 19th century), both were now also obviously bust. The Irish government owned big chunks of the two ancient banks but revealed less about them. As they had lent vast sums not only to Irish property developers but also to Irish homebuyers, their losses were also obviously vast—and similar in spirit to the losses at the upstart Anglo Irish.

    Even in an era when capitalists went out of their way to destroy capitalism, the Irish bankers set some kind of record for destruction. Theo Phanos, a London hedge-fund manager with interests in Ireland, says that “Anglo Irish was probably the world’s worst bank. Even worse than the Icelandic banks.”

    Ireland’s financial disaster shared some things with Iceland’s. It was created by the sort of men who ignore their wives’ suggestions that maybe they should stop and ask for directions, for instance. But while Icelandic males used foreign money to conquer foreign places—trophy companies in Britain, chunks of Scandinavia—the Irish male used foreign money to conquer Ireland. Left alone in a dark room with a pile of money, the Irish decided what they really wanted to do with it was to buy Ireland. From one another. An Irish economist named Morgan Kelly, whose estimates of Irish bank losses have been the most prescient, made a back-of-the-envelope calculation that puts the losses of all Irish banks at roughly 106 billion euros. (Think $10 trillion.) At the rate money currently flows into the Irish treasury, Irish bank losses alone would absorb every penny of Irish taxes for at least the next three years.

    In recognition of the spectacular losses, the entire Irish economy has almost dutifully collapsed. When you fly into Dublin you are traveling, for the first time in 15 years, against the traffic. The Irish are once again leaving Ireland, along with hordes of migrant workers. In late 2006, the unemployment rate stood at a bit more than 4 percent; now it’s 14 percent and climbing toward rates not experienced since the mid-1980s. Just a few years ago, Ireland was able to borrow money more cheaply than Germany; now, if it can borrow at all, it will be charged interest rates nearly 6 percent higher than Germany, another echo of a distant past. The Irish budget deficit—which three years ago was a surplus—is now 32 percent of its G.D.P., the highest by far in the history of the Eurozone. One credit-analysis firm has judged Ireland the third-most-likely country to default. Not quite as risky for the global investor as Venezuela, but riskier than Iraq. Distinctly Third World, in any case.

    Yet when I arrived, in early November 2010, Irish politics had a frozen-in-time quality to it. In Iceland, the business-friendly conservative party had been quickly tossed out of power, and the women booted the alpha males out of the banks and government. (Iceland’s new prime minister is a lesbian.) In Greece the business-friendly conservative party was also given the heave-ho, and the new government is attempting to create a sense of collective purpose, or at any rate persuade the citizens to quit cheating on their taxes. (The new Greek prime minister is not merely upstanding, but barely Greek.) Ireland was the first European country to watch its entire banking system fail, and yet its business-friendly conservative party, Fianna Fáil (pronounced “Feena Foil”), would remain in office into 2011. There’s been no Tea Party movement, no Glenn Beck, no serious protests of any kind. The most obvious change in the country’s politics has been the role played by foreigners. The Irish government and Irish banks are crawling with American investment bankers and Australian management consultants and faceless Euro-officials, referred to inside the Department of Finance simply as “the Germans.” Walk the streets at night and, through restaurant windows, you see important-looking men in suits, dining alone, studying important-looking papers. In some new and strange way Dublin is now an occupied city: Hanoi, circa 1950. “The problem with Ireland is that you’re not allowed to work with Irish people anymore,” I was told by an Irish property developer, who was finding it difficult to escape the hundreds of millions of euros in debt he owed.

    Ireland’s regress is especially unsettling because of the questions it raises about Ireland’s former progress: even now no one is quite sure why the Irish suddenly did so well for themselves in the first place. Between 1845 and 1852, during the Great Potato Famine, the country experienced the greatest loss of population in world history—in a nation of eight million, a million and a half people left. Another million starved to death or died from the effects of hunger. Inside of a decade the nation went from being among the most densely populated in Europe to the least. The founding of the Irish state, in 1922, might have offered some economic hope—they could now have their own central bank, their own economic policies—but right up until the end of the 1980s the Irish failed to do what economists expected them to: catch up with their neighbors’ standard of living. As recently as the 1980s one million Irish people—a third of the population—lived below the poverty line.

    What has occurred in Ireland since then is without precedent in economic history. By the start of the new millennium, the Irish poverty rate was under 6 percent and by 2006 Ireland was one of the richest countries in the world. How did that happen? A bright young Irishman who got himself hired by Bear Stearns in the late 1990s and went off to New York or London for five years returned feeling poor. For the better part of a decade there has been quicker money to be made in Irish real estate than in investment banking. How did that happen?

    For the first time in history, people and money longed to get into Ireland rather than out of it. The most dramatic case in point are the Poles. The Polish government keeps no comprehensive statistics on the movement of its workforce, but its foreign ministry guesstimates that, since the country’s admission to the European Union, more than a million Poles have left Poland to work elsewhere. At the peak, in 2006, as many as a quarter-million of them were in Ireland. For the United States to achieve a proportionally distortive demographic effect, it would need to hand green cards to 17 million Mexicans.

    How did any of this happen? There are many theories: the elimination of trade barriers, the decision to grant free public higher education, the persistent lowering of the corporate tax rate, beginning in the 1980s, which turned Ireland into a tax haven for foreign corporations. Maybe the most intriguing was offered by a pair of demographers at Harvard, David E. Bloom and David Canning, in a 2003 paper called “Contraception and the Celtic Tiger.” Bloom and Canning argued that a major cause of the Irish boom was a dramatic increase in the ratio of working-age to non-working-age Irish brought about by a crash in the Irish birthrate. This had been driven mainly by Ireland’s decision, in 1979, to legalize birth control. That is, a nation’s fidelity to the Vatican’s edicts was inversely proportional to its ability to climb out of poverty: out of the slow death of the Catholic Church arose an economic miracle.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,598 ✭✭✭✭prinz


    Smcgie wrote: »
    ...even notes that the travellers didn't fall into the property bubble. ;)

    Somebody else 'fell into' the bubble for them...

    http://www.independent.ie/national-news/outrage-after-council-buys-luxury-home-for-travellers-1470613.html


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,243 ✭✭✭✭Jesus Wept


    'He’s puckish, unrehearsed, and apparently—though in Ireland one wants to be careful about using this word—sane

    He seems like a twat to me.
    Read it earlier, reads like a rehash, don't think there was anything of substance that I hadn't read elsewhere quite a while ago.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,379 ✭✭✭Smcgie


    He even goes on to mention the downfall of the Irish Church, i think the article is very well researched.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,714 ✭✭✭✭Earthhorse


    Yes, a very good article, I came here to see if anyone else had posted it. That isn't the full article text pasted above btw, there are 9 pages in total to it.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 88,972 ✭✭✭✭mike65




  • Registered Users Posts: 1,228 ✭✭✭Chairman Meow


    Read all 9 pages of it, great article IMO


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,019 ✭✭✭Badgermonkey


    'There’s a line at the end of the piece, where my driver says, “The problem with the Irish is that you can push them and push them and push them and they don’t do anything, then they snap and go whacko.” I think that’s going to happen. '

    Let's hope so.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 21,191 ✭✭✭✭Latchy


    A full meat on the bones article and a great read .


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,878 ✭✭✭The_B_Man


    so in summary, politicians are cnuts and so are the bankers?

    Good read anyway.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,487 ✭✭✭Mister men


    Fantastic read and bang on the money.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,985 ✭✭✭skelliser


    and to think people will still vote Fianna Fail after reading that!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 535 ✭✭✭Saadyst


    skelliser wrote: »
    and do think people will still vote Fianna Fail after reading that!

    People who are going to vote fianna fail now, most likely will get bored one paragraph into that I guess.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,772 ✭✭✭toomevara


    Pour oul Morgan Kelly,a man cant be a prophet in his own land. Never a truer word said. Excellent piece, Q&A with author also worth a look.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,793 ✭✭✭Hande hoche!


    Thanks for the link,a good read.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,007 ✭✭✭sollar


    I just read it there and is puts the whole sorry mess into a straight forward read. Its shocking and very sad imo.

    I'd encourage everyone to read it and have it fresh in your mind for when FF politicians call to your door trying to continue the spin that they did nothing wrong.


  • Registered Users Posts: 312 ✭✭raymann


    as good a piece of writing on the crisis as ive read. now wheres that pitchfork...


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,370 ✭✭✭✭Son Of A Vidic


    Another foreigner rightly baffled by our meekness.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 409 ✭✭NeedaNewName


    I'm writing a similar piece right now, due to be published in 15 years time when it happens again.

    Beating Mc Williams and Co to it!

    When it happens I'll drag up this post just to prove it :pac:


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 299 ✭✭Metallergy


    its a bleary bluey-green bloodshot mess, so it is


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