License help

Aato · 08-11-2020 1:57pm #1

Hey guys, so roughly 2 years ago I went and done and done my IBT for A2 license as I was under the age of 24 so couldn't go for A. I got my provisional and bought a bike on A2 license but sold it shortly after and haven't had a bike since. My A2 provisional has expired last month.

I regret selling my first bike and want to go again, this time I'm 25 years old and can go for the A license. Do I need to go complete my IBT for A license or do I just apply for A license? Either way I want to go do my IBT just to refresh my brain again. Thanks in advance.

Mjolnir · 08-11-2020 7:36pm

Aato wrote: »

Hey guys, so roughly 2 years ago I went and done and done my IBT for A2 license as I was under the age of 24 so couldn't go for A. I got my provisional and bought a bike on A2 license but sold it shortly after and haven't had a bike since. My A2 provisional has expired last month.

I regret selling my first bike and want to go again, this time I'm 25 years old and can go for the A license. Do I need to go complete my IBT for A license or do I just apply for A license? Either way I want to go do my IBT just to refresh my brain again. Thanks in advance.

You'd have to have gotten the full A2 to get the benefit of progressive access.
You'll need to apply for an A permit, do the full A ibt, wait min 6 months to apply for full.

Aato · 08-11-2020 7:43pm

Mjolnir wrote: »

You'd have to have gotten the full A2 to get the benefit of progressive access.
You'll need to apply for an A permit, do the full A ibt, wait min 6 months to apply for full.

OK no worries thanks. Also would it be possible to get insured at 25 on a cbr600rr on a provisional A license?

Mjolnir · 08-11-2020 7:50pm

Aato wrote: »

OK no worries thanks. Also would it be possible to get insured at 25 on a cbr600rr on a provisional A license?

Very doubtful with a brand new licence and 0 ncb if you manage it it will cost a bomb.
I quotes on a f3 at 25 and swapped from a vn1500 to an cbr 600 f4.
Axa will quote with a grade 2 assessment and in a lot of cases be the guts of 2k.

Aato · 08-11-2020 7:55pm

Mjolnir wrote: »

Very doubtful with a brand new licence and 0 ncb if you manage it it will cost a bomb.
I quotes on a f3 at 25 and swapped from a vn1500 to an cbr 600 f4.
Axa will quote with a grade 2 assessment and in a lot of cases be the guts of 2k.

Damn don't want that so. My first bike I had was a Kawasaki ER6F and was 800 ish with Liberty but that's a lot different than cbr600rr. What other sport bike options would I have I prefer the whole more aggressive seating position etc

Roadcraft · 08-11-2020 8:03pm

You need to get a category 'A' learner permit & complete only module 5 of IBT for category A not the whole course again before you can ride a category A bike.

Mjolnir · 08-11-2020 8:04pm

Aato wrote: »

Damn don't want that so. My first bike I had was a Kawasaki ER6F and was 800 ish with Liberty but that's a lot different than cbr600rr. What other sport bike options would I have I prefer the whole more aggressive seating position etc

0 options there dude bar you want a cbr 600 f3 anything with an r you could forget about. The f3 is more insurance friendly because it doesn't have an r (apart from the cbr part)
Have you ever actually ridden a sports bike?
You'll probably get reasonable quotes on hornets, bandits, fazers, sv650's, gsxs,.

Aato · 08-11-2020 8:20pm

Mjolnir wrote: »

0 options there dude bar you want a cbr 600 f3 anything with an r you could forget about. The f3 is more insurance friendly because it doesn't have an r (apart from the cbr part)
Have you ever actually ridden a sports bike?
You'll probably get reasonable quotes on hornets, bandits, fazers, sv650's, gsxs,.

I'll have a look at the cbr 600 f3. No never actually ridden a sports bike other than sports touring but that's not the same, only reason I was looking at the sports bikes is because they me dream bikes from the beginning. Makes sense I'll have to learn on something a bit easier to manage.

Mjolnir · 08-11-2020 8:28pm

Aato wrote: »

I'll have a look at the cbr 600 f3. No never actually ridden a sports bike other than sports touring but that's not the same, only reason I was looking at the sports bikes is because they me dream bikes from the beginning. Makes sense I'll have to learn on something a bit easier to manage.

My f4 is considered one of the most comfortable sports bikes, after a long ride I'm still stiff and tired.
The er6f will have a completely different riding position than a true sports bike.
Fazer is a comfortable, fast bike and can be got for a good price.
Its easier build a ncb then get a sports bike.
Sv650 looks like a sports bike with the benefit of a more upright position.
You can't say you like the aggressive riding position until you've ridden a sports bike over a decent length but you're unlikely to have anyone let you ride their bike over a meaningful distance if at all.

Aato · 08-11-2020 8:35pm

Mjolnir wrote: »

My f4 is considered one of the most comfortable sports bikes, after a long ride I'm still stiff and tired.
The er6f will have a completely different riding position than a true sports bike.
Fazer is a comfortable, fast bike and can be got for a good price.
Its easier build a ncb then get a sports bike.
Sv650 looks like a sports bike with the benefit of a more upright position.
You can't say you like the aggressive riding position until you've ridden a sports bike over a decent length but you're unlikely to have anyone let you ride their bike over a meaningful distance if at all.

Would there much in the difference insurance wise between the f3 and f4?

Mjolnir · 08-11-2020 8:41pm

Aato wrote: »

Would there much in the difference insurance wise between the f3 and f4?

Initially was yea, but I was swapping bikes and had my car insured with liberty for years so talked them around and paid very little more.
That was about 6 months into my insurance policy I think.

Remember everyone's insurance is different, your age, driving experience, no claims, bike itself area you live in, where its stored, and any alarm or immobiliser all combine into the quote.

Aato · 08-11-2020 8:43pm

Mjolnir wrote: »

Initially was yea, but I was swapping bikes and had my car insured with liberty for years so talked them around and paid very little more.
That was about 6 months into my insurance policy I think.

Remember everyone's insurance is different, your age, driving experience, no claims, bike itself area you live in, where its stored, and any alarm or immobiliser all combine into the quote.

Yeah I like the look of the F4 looks great. I'll have to ring up and see what they'll quote me. Also what would be the best month to the buy the bike? I'll be buying out of UK again as found it easy enough last time.

Mjolnir · 08-11-2020 8:47pm

Aato wrote: »

Yeah I like the look of the F4 looks great. I'll have to ring up and see what they'll quote me. Also what would be the best month to the buy the bike? I'll be buying out of UK again as found it easy enough last time.

Whenever ya get the best deal, alot of people don't try sell over winter as the demand is down and try shift them in the spring summer when there's more a demand and they get a better price.
Love my f4 comfortable and don't lack any power at all.
Ring around tell them ya have it bought and see if they quote and how much

galwaytt · 09-11-2020 12:12pm

I got a deal on my AT by buying last day of September: the UK sales guys close the Quarter so all the figures and bonuses are calculated on closing the quarter, and knowing Q4 is dead.

Which is why you buy when everyone else is selling........Q3/Q4 of the year always works for me.

As for UK, well, nobody know what's going to happen post Dec 31st.............

Aato · 09-11-2020 3:47pm

Yeah I wouldn't mind buying it before Christmas as an early Christmas present to myself ha!

Just need to find out if I can get insured on the cbr600 f4 before I buy one on a provisional A license.

Duke Dan · 09-11-2020 4:18pm

Aato wrote: »

Yeah I wouldn't mind buying it before Christmas as an early Christmas present to myself ha!

Just need to find out if I can get insured on the cbr600 f4 before I buy one on a provisional A license.

Call your Insurance Co and find out, they should quote based on theory, learner permit and IBT

Aato · 09-11-2020 5:01pm

Duke Dan wrote: »

Call your Insurance Co and find out, they should quote based on theory, learner permit and IBT

Will do thanks I'll let ye know how I get on. Are NDLS still open or can I apply for my A provisional online?

zubair · 09-11-2020 5:08pm

I'd say right now is the time to buy if you can find a bike you want from a private seller. Given the lockdown you might find a few people tired of renewing their done deal ads with no offers and a low ball offer might stick. Otherwise i found January and February a good time to buy, my last 2 bikes were from lads who had already bought their new bike that year and so were ready to get shot of the old one, both good deals for me in my opinion.

Regarding the next bike, I'd suggest getting something that falls into the usual beginner friendly A group. There are plenty of faired versions of those bikes so they'll have the sports bike look that you're keen on, pretty sure even the ER6 you had comes faired. I'd steer you away from the likes of a RR, you were on an A2 before and sold it shortly afterwards, which wouldn't give you much experience on the road, at 25 there's plenty of time to get yourself on an RR down the line, best to serve your time. Also, the other bikes are more suited to the test for slow riding uturns etc. if nothing else, get a test friendly bike and then upgrade afterwards once you have your NCB totted up and the full license in your back pocket.

Aato · 09-11-2020 7:13pm

zubair wrote: »

I'd say right now is the time to buy if you can find a bike you want from a private seller. Given the lockdown you might find a few people tired of renewing their done deal ads with no offers and a low ball offer might stick. Otherwise i found January and February a good time to buy, my last 2 bikes were from lads who had already bought their new bike that year and so were ready to get shot of the old one, both good deals for me in my opinion.

Regarding the next bike, I'd suggest getting something that falls into the usual beginner friendly A group. There are plenty of faired versions of those bikes so they'll have the sports bike look that you're keen on, pretty sure even the ER6 you had comes faired. I'd steer you away from the likes of a RR, you were on an A2 before and sold it shortly afterwards, which wouldn't give you much experience on the road, at 25 there's plenty of time to get yourself on an RR down the line, best to serve your time. Also, the other bikes are more suited to the test for slow riding uturns etc. if nothing else, get a test friendly bike and then upgrade afterwards once you have your NCB totted up and the full license in your back pocket.

You could be right. I'll ring insurance tomorrow and see how much they quote on cbr600 f4. If its too much or not possible then probably an SV650 or something along those lines.

Quick question, do I have to bring proof of address, ppsn etc to NDLS centre if I already had a learner permit? Keep in mind my learner permit has expired but I have a full Irish driving license for car.

Aato · 10-11-2020 2:32pm

So just got off the phone with Libery Insurance and not a hope would they quote me for the Honda cbr600f have to have full license for that. They wouldn't even quote me on the SV650s which shocked me as thats a beginner friendly bike?

She said they've changed their policy in regards to motorbike insurance and the next bike down I could insure on a provisional is something in the 125cc to 250cc range. Any one have any ideas? I haven't shopped around elsewhere yet so any recommendations would be nice. Thanks.

Mjolnir · 10-11-2020 2:50pm

Aato wrote: »

So just got off the phone with Libery Insurance and not a hope would they quote me for the Honda cbr600f have to have full license for that. They wouldn't even quote me on the SV650s which shocked me as thats a beginner friendly bike?

She said they've changed their policy in regards to motorbike insurance and the next bike down I could insure on a provisional is something in the 125cc to 250cc range. Any one have any ideas? I haven't shopped around elsewhere yet so any recommendations would be nice. Thanks.

Ring Carol Nash, axa and principle, probably won't get quote on cbr but should on sv

Aato · 10-11-2020 3:24pm

Mjolnir wrote: »

Ring Carol Nash, axa and principle, probably won't get quote on cbr but should on sv

Its either that or get a Ninja 300 what u reckon. I'll try Sv650 first.

Mjolnir · 10-11-2020 3:27pm

Aato wrote: »

Its either that or get a Ninja 300 what u reckon. I'll try Sv650 first.

Nothing wrong with a ninja 300, just remember fully faired sports bikes are harder on the body to ride long distance, harder to turn in a small radius and god help you if you damage the plastics

Aato · 10-11-2020 3:29pm

Mjolnir wrote: »

Nothing wrong with a ninja 300, just remember fully faired sports bikes are harder on the body to ride long distance, harder to turn in a small radius and god help you if you damage the plastics

Would I benefit learning on the SV650 as opposed to the Ninja 300?

Love the fully faired look though.

zubair · 10-11-2020 3:33pm

Similar story in previous threads this year. Riders on an A or A2 and not able to get insured on a bike of that class, they had all just reached the age category to qualify for that class.

Aato · 10-11-2020 3:36pm

zubair wrote: »

Similar story in previous threads this year. Riders on an A or A2 and not able to get insured on a bike of that class, they had all just reached the age category to qualify for that class.

Woman for liberty said their policies have changed so I can't even get insured on an ER6F what I had before with them. Guess I'll have to ring the other companies and see what they say about SV650. Other than that will probably have to be Ninja 300 or similar bike.

She also said I'd need a full license for 5 years to get insured on cbr600F

Mjolnir · 10-11-2020 3:41pm

Aato wrote: »

Would I benefit learning on the SV650 as opposed to the Ninja 300?

Love the fully faired look though.

Sv has more power (hp), far better handling and more forgiving to learn on than a ninja

I ride a sports bike and I'm telling ya to learn on anything else dude, lots of lads love them but can't stand riding them.
If ya can insure one and absaloutly have to get one go for it, but drop it (you will everyone drops their first bike at some stage) and you'll cry at the price of fairings

zubair · 10-11-2020 5:22pm

Aato wrote: »

Woman for liberty said their policies have changed so I can't even get insured on an ER6F what I had before with them. Guess I'll have to ring the other companies and see what they say about SV650. Other than that will probably have to be Ninja 300 or similar bike.

She also said I'd need a full license for 5 years to get insured on cbr600F

There's a good reason the CBR isn't on their list or has a whopper quote. Principal are probably your next best option at getting insured on a 600 but remember, not all 600s are equal, you'll probably be wasting your time trying to get a quote on a CBR.

Just as you mentioned the SVS, they have clip ons, and they aren't very comfortable ones at that, on full lock the bars touch the tank, not great for uturns. If you're set on a faired bike, the ER6F or yami diversion F are the sportiest looking I can think of. If you're willing to scrap the faired look to get a quote on a good beginner 600 the CBF is the best to start on IMO, if you can't get a quote on one you'll probably have to put the 600 A idea on the back burner.

Duke Dan · 10-11-2020 7:28pm

Aato wrote: »

Woman for liberty said their policies have changed so I can't even get insured on an ER6F what I had before with them. Guess I'll have to ring the other companies and see what they say about SV650. Other than that will probably have to be Ninja 300 or similar bike.

She also said I'd need a full license for 5 years to get insured on cbr600F

Principal best bet and prob best price!!

Mjolnir · 10-11-2020 7:31pm

zubair wrote: »

There's a good reason the CBR isn't on their list or has a whopper quote. Principal are probably your next best option at getting insured on a 600 but remember, not all 600s are equal, you'll probably be wasting your time trying to get a quote on a CBR.

Just as you mentioned the SVS, they have clip ons, and they aren't very comfortable ones at that, on full lock the bars touch the tank, not great for uturns. If you're set on a faired bike, the ER6F or yami diversion F are the sportiest looking I can think of. If you're willing to scrap the faired look to get a quote on a good beginner 600 the CBF is the best to start on IMO, if you can't get a quote on one you'll probably have to put the 600 A idea on the back burner.

Chances of finding an sv with swapped bars is pretty high if not its not much effort to change them over.
Diversion and cbf have roughly the same hp/kw as an sv so he'll likely hit the same issue

Aato · 11-11-2020 2:11pm

Good news rang Principal insurance earlier and straight forward no messing about €800 on SV650s! Time to buy one now.

Mjolnir · 11-11-2020 2:40pm

Aato wrote: »

Good news rang Principal insurance earlier and straight forward no messing about €800 on SV650s! Time to buy one now.

Couple nice fully faired ones on auto trader 07-09 for between £1500 - £2100
Most people won't even realise its not a sports bike

Aato · 11-11-2020 2:46pm

Mjolnir wrote: »

Couple nice fully faired ones on auto trader 07-09 for between £1500 - £2100
Most people won't even realise its not a sports bike

I've messaged the company with one of the black fully faired 2009 ones. Has 19k miles is that good or bad?

Mjolnir · 11-11-2020 2:50pm

Aato wrote: »

I've messaged the company with one of the black fully faired 2009 ones. Has 19k miles is that good or bad?

Don't mind that millage its nothing, make sure its not an insurance write off thats been repaired.
Double check vrt is still being done during covid.

Aato · 11-11-2020 6:40pm

Mjolnir wrote: »

Don't mind that millage its nothing, make sure its not an insurance write off thats been repaired.
Double check vrt is still being done during covid.

It has been checked for insurance write off and its clear. Will check vrt now.

zubair · 11-11-2020 11:55pm

Aato wrote: »

I've messaged the company with one of the black fully faired 2009 ones. Has 19k miles is that good or bad?

Before the excitement takes over don't forget why you came here, you've a license and module 5 to sort too.

Is it the one doyle's have up for 4k?

Mjolnir · 12-11-2020 12:05am

zubair wrote: »

Before the excitement takes over don't forget why you came here, you've a license and module 5 to sort too.

Is it the one doyle's have up for 4k?

This is a very good point most ndls centres haven't got any apps until December.
Ibt can't start again until restrictions are lifted, currently looking at December for that all going well, most instructors may have a back log.

Op you need an the learner permit in hand to do the ibt don't forget.

Aato · 12-11-2020 8:34pm

Yeah I understand guys I'm booked in for this Saturday at 10:30am in NDLS to get my A license so that should be that sorted.

Also I bought a bike today lol SV650s from UK just awaiting word from transport company I used before they are coming next week but its full so it may be the week after or the week after that by the time they bring the next delivery of bikes.

How long do I have to VRT the bike from the date it comes into Ireland. Having had a bit of hassle getting VRT on my last bike I know exactly what documents I need this time so should be straight forward.

In regards to IBT I have yet to contact the instructor I done my full IBT with but should get to that soon. Suppose it would be better to do it soon if possible before January and February cold weather comes in.

Mjolnir · 12-11-2020 8:41pm

Aato wrote: »

Yeah I understand guys I'm booked in for this Saturday at 10:30am in NDLS to get my A license so that should be that sorted.

Also I bought a bike today lol SV650s from UK just awaiting word from transport company I used before they are coming next week but its full so it may be the week after or the week after that by the time they bring the next delivery of bikes.

How long do I have to VRT the bike from the date it comes into Ireland. Having had a bit of hassle getting VRT on my last bike I know exactly what documents I need this time so should be straight forward.

In regards to IBT I have yet to contact the instructor I done my full IBT with but should get to that soon. Suppose it would be better to do it soon if possible before January and February cold weather comes in.

Seven days from date of import to make an appointment, the 30 days to actually vrt it.
You need the full v5 minus one little slip and for it to be given to you rather than sent off.
Riding in the cold is grand just layer up and get heated grips.
Was it the one up for £21xx black full faired 08/09 on auto trader?

Aato · 12-11-2020 8:54pm

Mjolnir wrote: »

Seven days from date of import to make an appointment, the 30 days to actually vrt it.
You need the full v5 minus one little slip and for it to be given to you rather than sent off.
Riding in the cold is grand just layer up and get heated grips.
Was it the one up for £21xx black full faired 08/09 on auto trader?

Ya that was the bike its gone off Autotrader now. Just realised how am I going to get it to VRT if I don't have my module 5 IBT done lol. Will have to contact instructor tomorrow, although It could be a week or more before I get my license.

Mjolnir · 12-11-2020 9:05pm

Aato wrote: »

Ya that was the bike its gone off Autotrader now. Just realised how am I going to get it to VRT if I don't have my module 5 IBT done lol. Will have to contact instructor tomorrow, although It could be a week or more before I get my license.

Anyone can bring it down as long as you go with them, just needs to be able to arrive under its own power.
Say it arrives next week try get a booking for last possible day and pay on the day.
Cracking looking bike, buy a set of heated grips, even if you're useless it'll take no time to install.

Aato · 12-11-2020 10:28pm

Mjolnir wrote: »

Anyone can bring it down as long as you go with them, just needs to be able to arrive under its own power.
Say it arrives next week try get a booking for last possible day and pay on the day.
Cracking looking bike, buy a set of heated grips, even if you're useless it'll take no time to install.

I just looked it up and it says on Citizen advice website that you can register any time before July 2021 no penalty charges apply to VRT time now due to Covid19 guess that makes it easier!

Definitely will look into heated grips they will be useful.

Mjolnir · 12-11-2020 10:30pm

Aato wrote: »

I just looked it up and it says on Citizen advice website that you can register any time before July 2021 no penalty charges apply to VRT time now due to Covid19 guess that makes it easier!

Definitely will look into heated grips they will be useful.

Insurance will usually only cover a foreign reg for 30 days so I'd check that.
Doesn't have to be you that drives it in, anyone can, you just have to register it.

IrishGrimReaper · 12-11-2020 10:46pm

Aato wrote: »

I just looked it up and it says on Citizen advice website that you can register any time before July 2021 no penalty charges apply to VRT time now due to Covid19 guess that makes it easier!

Definitely will look into heated grips they will be useful.

Can you link where you're seeing July 2021? I'm only seeing July 2020 on the citizen's advice.

Aato · 12-11-2020 10:56pm

IrishGrimReaper wrote: »

Can you link where you're seeing July 2021? I'm only seeing July 2020 on the citizen's advice.

Oh my god good job you said that you're actually right, I thought it was 2021 my bad its 2020 so the 30 day rule still applies.

IrishGrimReaper · 12-11-2020 11:32pm

Damn :pac: I've €460 VRT to pay and was gonna treat myself to a new exhaust if it was true

macplaxton · 13-11-2020 3:44am

IrishGrimReaper wrote: »

Can you link where you're seeing July 2021? I'm only seeing July 2020 on the citizen's advice.

They're cutting slack until 31 December 2020 on the 7/30 rule:

VRT registration and export appointments

In line with the Governments Roadmap all National Car Testing (NCT) Centres have been open since 29 June at reduced capacity. Due to the reduced capacity customers may not be able to obtain preferred dates.

Customers should note that the details above are subject to change in line with health and safety guidance. Any changes will be notified here.

In view of current circumstances, for inspections carried out up to and including 31st December:

all vehicles that are presented for registration will be valued based on the date they are presented
and
as Centres were closed, customers will not be charged any additional VRT during this period due to exceeding the 30-day limit.
After 31 December, the 7-day requirement to make an appointment and the 30-day requirement to register will be enforced.

The NCT service has continued to operate a pre-inspection service via its Mobile Units. This service, which is available only to Authorised Traders, can be booked by emailing mobile3.vrt@applus.com and is subject to availability. Further information on the requirements for pre-inspection can be found below on question 2

Registration by authorised dealers on the Revenue Online Service (ROS) of new cars and pre-inspected cars has not been interrupted. Authorised traders should continue to register such vehicles before delivery to a customer.

Customers can contact Revenue via MyEnquiries with any questions they may have. Queries regarding pre-inspections or import/export examinations should be directed to the NCTS.

https://www.ncts.ie/vrt-home/vrt-faq/

I wouldn't worry so much about the 7 day deadline for making an appointment anyway. I registered a car December 2019 and although I was late on the 7 day, I made an appointment about two weeks after that was within the 30 day limit. Processed as normal. If it is late, they can stick a daily surcharge on which is 0.1% of the amount due.

(Late payment surcharge = VRT due x number of days x 0.1%)

Aato · 22-11-2020 4:31pm

The vrt on the SV650s is only 100 euro VRT so I'm not to worried if I don't get it done in time.

Anyways thought I'd post a small update my bike is arriving on Wednesday! Can't wait to get going again.

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