Armstrong 2019/20 season

wine and final destination · 02-11-2019 9:43pm

Bit of an upset there?

checknraise · 02-11-2019 10:12pm

Gonzaga Ballinasloe 8-0

Retd.LoyolaCpt · 02-11-2019 10:46pm

Kilkenny 6-2 gonzaga B

sodacat11 · 02-11-2019 11:42pm

Balbriggan v Blanchardstown???

spidersweb · 03-11-2019 3:03pm

wine and final destination wrote: »

Bit of an upset there?

How do you arrive at that notion? I'd say this match could have gone either way. One of these two teams looks like winning the Armstrong this year too. with Gonzaga A still having an outside chance of defending their title with this impressive latest 8-0 result against one of the weakest teams this year?

Beckett, Brian
1780

Lost

Bennett, Eric *
1902

Drew

Cairns, John *
2001

Drew

Curran, Garrett
1777

Absent

Daly, Colm *
2212

Won

De Verdier, Michael *
2288

Absent

Mirza, Diana *
2005

Absent

Pein, Jonathan *
2151

Absent

Phelan, John J.
1557
Drew

Reynolds, Pat *
1819
Drew

Waters, Michael *
2083
Won

Fitzsimons, David *
2359
Absent

Jakubauskas, Zygimantas *
1926
Drew

MacElligott, Gerard *
1981
Drew

Melaugh, Gavin *
2059
Lost

Melaugh, Shane *
2159
Lost

O'Neill, Paul *
1924
Absent

Quinn, Ciaran *
1887
Won

Rahneberg, Matthias *
1948
Won

Rush, Stephen *
2061
Drew

DmanDmythDledge · 03-11-2019 4:53pm

Could have gone either way alright but Bray arguably picked up more points than expected on the lower boards - 1.5/4 is a fair bit higher than the expected score I'd imagine.

spidersweb · 03-11-2019 11:03pm

DmanDmythDledge wrote: »

Could have gone either way alright but Bray arguably picked up more points than expected on the lower boards - 1.5/4 is a fair bit higher than the expected score I'd imagine.

Very possibly true. Not sure to be honest.

Bray / Greystones4 ½ – 3 ½Elm Mount

Board Colour Player Code Rating Result Player Code Rating

1BlackDaly, Colm29522121 – 0Melaugh, Shane1205521592

White
Waters, Michael49420831 – 0Melaugh, Gavin1104320593

BlackCairns, John1602001½ – ½Rush, Stephen1823520614
WhiteBennett, Eric27411902½ – ½MacElligott, Gerard107819815
BlackReynolds, Pat14301819½ – ½Jakubauskas, Zygimantas927719266
WhiteBeckett, Brian4317800 – 1Quinn, Ciaran139818877
BlackBurke, James18191605½ – ½Boyle, Bernard317217238
WhitePhelan, John J.13681557½ – ½MacDonagh, Alan10621664

Round 3Sat 02 Nov 19

sodacat11 · 06-11-2019 12:15am

There is far too much leeway being given with postponed games. If a team can't put a team out on the appointed day or within seven days of the fixture then they should either use subs or forfeit some games. Gonzaga got away with huge delays in fulfilling their fixture at the start of the league and now Balbriggan are getting the same preferential treatment. What is the point of having a fixture list at all if teams aren't made to adhere to it?

mikhail · 06-11-2019 1:42am

Why do you care? There are a grand total of 3 postponed games in the whole division, all of them 4 days old. If we apply your 'rule' of 7 days' grace, there are no games in the division postponed unreasonably. None. Zip. Nada.

What will Sodacat find to complain about next? Benildus' home games altitude advantage? (They're literally tens of metres higher than Rathmines!) Trinity playing under a nom de guerre? (Dublin University could be anyone!) Bray/Greystones' co-location? (Those are two different towns!) Clocks not being started until 7:17 pm? (Both players should default!) Answers on the back of a postcard to the division controller, please. We must know, before the league becomes a shambles in which amateur players are occasionally mildly accommodated when it suits both parties.

I personally feel it's cheating that they publish the fixtures at all. Players should have to guess when the game is on. It'd be a heck of an equaliser. Conor O'Donnell will look a right tit trying to beat me next season when he doesn't know the match is being played in a rowboat tied up in Baltray some time in March of 1997.

sodacat11 · 06-11-2019 7:41am

mikhail wrote: »

Why do you care? There are a grand total of 3 postponed games in the whole division, all of them 4 days old. If we apply your 'rule' of 7 days' grace, there are no games in the division postponed unreasonably. None. Zip. Nada.

What will Sodacat find to complain about next? Benildus' home games altitude advantage? (They're literally tens of metres higher than Rathmines!) Trinity playing under a nom de guerre? (Dublin University could be anyone!) Bray/Greystones' co-location? (Those are two different towns!) Clocks not being started until 7:17 pm? (Both players should default!) Answers on the back of a postcard to the division controller, please. We must know, before the league becomes a shambles in which amateur players are occasionally mildly accommodated when it suits both parties.

I personally feel it's cheating that they publish the fixtures at all. Players should have to guess when the game is on. It'd be a heck of an equaliser. Conor O'Donnell will look a right tit trying to beat me next season when he doesn't know the match is being played in a rowboat tied up in Baltray some time in March of 1997.

Unless Benildus lose six players there is little chance of you ever playing Conor O'Donnell in the league.
The reason I care, since you ask, is because some teams are losing points through walkovers and defaults while others get forever to fulfill their fixtures. Do you think that Gonzaga B would wait weeks to allow Elm Mount or Bray to field a full team against them if either of those teams were tied with Gonzaga A in the title race ? Or maybe you think Liverpool should postpone their game against Man City until Sane and Laporte return from injury?
I notice that you never post anything here unless it's to snipe at me. I know they say that imitation is the sincerest form of flattery but frankly you bore me "Mikail" (you wish)

Retd.LoyolaCpt · 06-11-2019 11:02am

sodacat11 wrote: »

Unless Benildus lose six players there is little chance of you ever playing Conor O'Donnell in the league.
The reason I care, since you ask, is because some teams are losing points through walkovers and defaults while others get forever to fulfill their fixtures. Do you think that Gonzaga B would wait weeks to allow Elm Mount or Bray to field a full team against them if either of those teams were tied with Gonzaga A in the title race ? Or maybe you think Liverpool should postpone their game against Man City until Sane and Laporte return from injury?
I notice that you never post anything here unless it's to snipe at me. I know they say that imitation is the sincerest form of flattery but frankly you bore me "Mikail" (you wish)

Gonzaga B and Gonzaga A have had problems with our fixture both this and last year. Last year our fixture clashed with the olympiad and the school championships and then rearrangements were tricky because of Millfield. On the scheduled day of the match, we had 9 players available between both teams. We may have a big club but 30 of our players go to Millfield as players or coaches; and the school championships has anything from 40-80 players.

I honestly haven't been paying as much attention this year but I know our fixture clashed with the school champs again - which takes 3 from the A team and 4-5 from the B team and every regular sub from both teams.

I rearranged 5 games last year to suit my opponents or for they to accommodate me or both: Gonzaga A, Balbriggan, Rathmines, Trinity, Dun Laoghaire. I offered to do the same for KK. If Zygimantas had come to me looking to play a different night, I'd have done the same.

As rivals, we wanted to beat Elm Mount, Trinity and Gonzaga more than anyone but that doesn't change the way we do business.

I guess you're under the illusion that the Gonzaga B team are happy to see the A team beat them secretly (or at least don't mind as much if we lose)? That couldn't be further from the truth. Firstly, it sets up our whole season and secondly, the trash talk after is not fun for the losing side.

mikhail · 06-11-2019 2:54pm

sodacat11 wrote: »

Unless Benildus lose six players there is little chance of you ever playing Conor O'Donnell in the league.

http://www.chessleague.net/chessorg/leinster/match.php?org=1&lid=93&fid=5284

spidersweb · 06-11-2019 5:00pm

mikhail wrote: »

http://www.chessleague.net/chessorg/leinster/match.php?org=1&lid=93&fid=5284

Not taking sides here but this is one of the funniest things I have seen in a while.

John Healy St Benildus B

1 Stephen Brady St Benildus A 2310 1 White Lost

2 Colm Daly Bray / Greystones 2268 1 Black Lost

3 Reinhold Mueller Dublin 2156 1 White Lost

4 Anthony Fox Dun Laoghaire 1969 1 Black Lost

5 Conor O'Donnell Gonzaga 2361 1 White Lost

6 Peter Cafolla Rathmines 1981 1Black Won

7 Bartlomiej Cichonski Balbriggan 2007 1 White Lost

8 Ramon Cardenas Valero Curragh 1 Black Lost

checknraise · 06-11-2019 5:13pm

Crazy how the Fox didn't get a draw!

sodacat11 · 06-11-2019 5:42pm

mikhail wrote: »

http://www.chessleague.net/chessorg/leinster/match.php?org=1&lid=93&fid=5284

It is 2019 on my planet.

sodacat11 · 06-11-2019 5:47pm

Spidersweb,,,,if that is the funniest thing you've seen in a while you really have a sad life. Imagine anyone trolling through the internet looking for something like that???I was looking forward to hearing from you about that 100 euro bet you were banging on about but it appears that you weren't prepared to put your money where your mouth is. I don't blame you as it probably would have been sucked in to that vast chasm.

mikhail · 06-11-2019 7:35pm

spidersweb wrote: »

Not taking sides here but this is one of the funniest things I have seen in a while.

I remember it well. It was a very welcome change of fortune in a difficult season. I agree with sodacat on this one though - it doesn't have much bearing on this. In spite of the sniping here (the whinging wrecks my head), I have to say I've no issues playing him over the board.

checknraise wrote: »

Crazy how the Fox didn't get a draw!

I drew with him in our previous encounter, but he does have a couple of hundred Elo points on me.

sodacat11 wrote: »

It is 2019 on my planet.

As we speak, Benildus' third team is in the mix for promotion from the Heidenfeld, so my totally serious proposed rule change could benefit me should I reprise my role as lead punching bag for a B team next season.

sodacat11 · 06-11-2019 8:01pm

mikhail wrote: »

I remember it well. It was a very welcome change of fortune in a difficult season. .

Can't say that I remember it but I probably took you for granted after our previous encounter
http://view.chessbase.com/cbreader/2019/11/6/Game808019093.html

mikhail · 06-11-2019 8:23pm

sodacat11 wrote: »

Can't say that I remember it but I probably took you for granted after our previous encounter
http://view.chessbase.com/cbreader/2019/11/6/Game808019093.html

Oh boy, that's quite the heap of ****e from me there. Sometimes I'm amazed I am the rating I am.

spidersweb · 06-11-2019 9:16pm

sodacat11 wrote: »

Spidersweb,,,,if that is the funniest thing you've seen in a while you really have a sad life. Imagine anyone trolling through the internet looking for something like that???I was looking forward to hearing from you about that 100 euro bet you were banging on about but it appears that you weren't prepared to put your money where your mouth is. I don't blame you as it probably would have been sucked in to that vast chasm.

Copy and paste takes seconds and the links and research were done by and provided by John. It is a figure of speech when I say the "funniest thing" and you have to admit that in the context of your comment to him, this result from a very recent season, in which you are the only guy he dd not lose to, but in fact beat, is hilarious. You could hardly make it up.

As for our bet, bring it on. Happy to bet 100 Euros that you are just wrong. PM me with any details you wish for confirmation. I will be very happy to take your money.

spidersweb · 06-11-2019 9:20pm

sodacat11 wrote: »

Can't say that I remember it but I probably took you for granted after our previous encounter
http://view.chessbase.com/cbreader/2019/11/6/Game808019093.html

Good grief that is like 5 years ago! Winning for Black after 9 moves too. Any chance we can see the win from John?

sodacat11 · 06-11-2019 10:39pm

Here are some brilliancies to keep you amused
http://view.chessbase.com/cbreader/2019/11/6/Game817420984.html http://view.chessbase.com/cbreader/2019/11/6/Game817467781.html http://view.chessbase.com/cbreader/2019/11/6/Game817531359.html
http://view.chessbase.com/cbreader/2019/11/6/Game817581859.html
http://view.chessbase.com/cbreader/2019/11/6/Game817633359.html

spidersweb · 07-11-2019 3:19pm

sodacat11 wrote: »

Here are some brilliancies to keep you amused
http://view.chessbase.com/cbreader/2019/11/6/Game817420984.html http://view.chessbase.com/cbreader/2019/11/6/Game817467781.html http://view.chessbase.com/cbreader/2019/11/6/Game817531359.html
http://view.chessbase.com/cbreader/2019/11/6/Game817581859.html
http://view.chessbase.com/cbreader/2019/11/6/Game817633359.html

Fair play, they were indeed amusing. Thanks for sharing.

sodacat11 · 15-11-2019 1:34am

Rathmines 4.5 Bray 3.5

spidersweb · 15-11-2019 2:17am

sodacat11 wrote: »

Rathmines 4.5 Bray 3.5

A serious blow to the chances of Bray winning this year with their first loss this season. Indeed first time they have not won the match. They needed to get at least 4 or 5.5 points to stay on track. They still might do it, and still all to play for with so many rounds left. What were the teams and individual scores?

Fair play to Rathmines on a great result. First match win for them and second time to avoid losing their match.

sodacat11 · 15-11-2019 7:49pm

It is nearly six months to the end of the Armstrong, plenty of time to avoid a repeat of last year's farce i.e Dublin Uni failing to put out a full team in the last round. Apparently the students have exams at that time of year so it is unlikely that they will be able to put out a full team again this year. Blanchardstown are set to benefit from this anomaly which is not fair to either Rathmines or Ballinasloe both of which are likely to be their relegation rivals. Surely in the interests of fair play with six months available Dublin Uni and Blanchardstown should be asked by the Controller to at least play their lower board games in advance?

spidersweb · 15-11-2019 9:24pm

sodacat11 wrote: »

It is nearly six months to the end of the Armstrong, plenty of time to avoid a repeat of last year's farce i.e Dublin Uni failing to put out a full team in the last round. Apparently the students have exams at that time of year so it is unlikely that they will be able to put out a full team again this year. Blanchardstown are set to benefit from this anomaly which is not fair to either Rathmines or Ballinasloe both of which are likely to be their relegation rivals. Surely in the interests of fair play with six months available Dublin Uni and Blanchardstown should be asked by the Controller to at least play their lower board games in advance?

???

sodacat11 · 15-11-2019 9:44pm

spidersweb wrote: »

???

Perhaps I didn't explain it in simple enough terms. Dublin Uni gave FOUR walkovers in the final round last season .It is highly likely that they will struggle to put a team out again this year due to exams so why not let themplay the match in advance? Gonzaga get to postpone whole matches whenever they want so why not change the Dublin Uni V Blanchardstown fixture instead of giving Blanchardstown a head start over their relegation rivals without even having to push a pawn?

undisputed · 15-11-2019 11:09pm

sodacat11 wrote: »

Blanchardstown are set to benefit from this anomaly which is not fair to either Rathmines or Ballinasloe both of which are likely to be their relegation rivals.

Which makes me wonder. Why did Rathmines give a walkover to ..... TCD in round 3???

spidersweb · 16-11-2019 12:50am

sodacat11 wrote: »

Perhaps I didn't explain it in simple enough terms. Dublin Uni gave FOUR walkovers in the final round last season .It is highly likely that they will struggle to put a team out again this year due to exams so why not let themplay the match in advance? Gonzaga get to postpone whole matches whenever they want so why not change the Dublin Uni V Blanchardstown fixture instead of giving Blanchardstown a head start over their relegation rivals without even having to push a pawn?

Thanks for explaining and elaborating. Not sure what to suggest honestly.

sodacat11 · 16-11-2019 1:20am

undisputed wrote: »

Which makes me wonder. Why did Rathmines give a walkover to ..... TCD in round 3???

No mystery there. For one reason or another we can never field a full team and on this occasion we couldn't even get a sub. Every team has this kind of problem but there is a big difference between that and not being able to wheel out more than four players or a ridiculously weakened team in the final round when medals and relegation are at stake.

undisputed · 16-11-2019 1:50am

sodacat11 wrote: »

No mystery there. For one reason or another we can never field a full team and on this occasion we couldn't even get a sub. Every team has this kind of problem but there is a big difference between that and not being able to wheel out more than four players or a ridiculously weakened team in the final round when medals and relegation are at stake.

Well, if you are fighting relegation you just need to try harder. You had a great chance to put TCD themselves in danger. And you unfortunately missed it. Now you have to rely on other teams to do a job.

sodacat11 · 16-11-2019 2:19am

undisputed wrote: »

Well, if you are fighting relegation you just need to try harder. You had a great chance to put TCD themselves in danger. And you unfortunately missed it. Now you have to rely on other teams to do a job.

TCD are in no danger of relegation, it's only between Ballinasloe, Rathmines and Blanchardstown and as things stand Blanchardstown are going to be given a 3 or 4 point head start because they have TCD in the last round. I don't know why the fixtures aren't arranged so that the likely winners of the Armstrong and the likely relegation candidates are playing each other head to head in the last round but I suppose that would just make too much sense.
Anyway. I'm off to Malta tomorrow to compete in the Malta open along with the Kanyamaralas , lots of sunshine, strong chess and good vino
https://www.chessorg.de/Listen2019/Malta-Open-Teil.php

undisputed · 16-11-2019 10:55am

I disagree. Trinity will not have a full team in many rounds and can absolutely be in danger. And in this case they would try to put a strong team in the last round. But if competitors will give free points to them.... then unfortunately you only have yourselves to blame

Past_Pawn_99 · 16-11-2019 11:10am

Trinity giving 4 walkovers in the last round of last season was purely down to the controller changing the date of the final round. Between a combination of players going to the ennis congress, players just not happening to be available that particular weekend, and our second team also playing at the same time. If the match had been played on the original date, which I pushed for very strongly, even so far as to find another venue for the original date, we would have had a full team.

sodacat11 · 16-11-2019 12:01pm

Past_Pawn_99 wrote: »

Trinity giving 4 walkovers in the last round of last season was purely down to the controller changing the date of the final round. Between a combination of players going to the ennis congress, players just not happening to be available that particular weekend, and our second team also playing at the same time. If the match had been played on the original date, which I pushed for very strongly, even so far as to find another venue for the original date, we would have had a full team.

That's good to hear! I thought that the problem would be a recurring one because of exams.

Rathminor · 16-11-2019 8:17pm

Have any boards been played yet in the Blanch v Gonzaga match? I know that Gonzaga have some players in the ECC this week, but there still should have been several boards played

Retd.LoyolaCpt · 19-11-2019 3:23pm

Rathminor wrote: »

Have any boards been played yet in the Blanch v Gonzaga match? I know that Gonzaga have some players in the ECC this week, but there still should have been several boards played

Gonzaga A 2-0 Blanchardstown. Remainder of the games in the next week.

Retd.LoyolaCpt · 23-11-2019 8:42pm

Gonzaga B 3-3 Trinity, 2 to play later in the week

Retd.LoyolaCpt · 26-11-2019 10:14am

Retd.LoyolaCpt wrote: »

Gonzaga A 2-0 Blanchardstown. Remainder of the games in the next week.

Gonzaga A 6.5-1.5 Blanchardstown.

sodacat11 · 28-11-2019 9:42am

Has Gonzaga B played Dublin Uni yet?

Retd.LoyolaCpt · 28-11-2019 10:06am

sodacat11 wrote: »

Has Gonzaga B played Dublin Uni yet?

Retd.LoyolaCpt wrote: »

Gonzaga B 3-3 Trinity, 2 to play later in the week

Same as above. 2 games on Monday.

Retd.LoyolaCpt · 04-12-2019 10:04am

Retd.LoyolaCpt wrote: »

Same as above. 2 games on Monday.

TCD 4.5-3.5 Gonzaga B

mikhail · 05-12-2019 12:52pm

Benildus 5-3 Rathmines. A few lucky breaks went our way, but I guess we were overdue some of that this season.

Retd.LoyolaCpt · 07-12-2019 10:11pm

Exams hit Trinity and ourselves hard. Just 3 regulars for us, 3 subs and 2 scratches.

Bray 6.5-1.5 Gonzaga B
Kilkenny 3-4 Gonzaga A - Keogh vs Jackson to play.

macelligott · 07-12-2019 10:14pm

R5 Balbriggan 2-5 Elm Mount. One game to play.

sodacat11 · 09-12-2019 10:14pm

Dublin U v Ballinasloe,,, score?

macelligott · 11-01-2020 6:31pm

Has the round 4 game (board 1) between Dublin & Balbriggan been played yet?
It seems to be holding up the FIDE ratings!

sodacat11 · 12-01-2020 12:13pm

macelligott wrote: »

Has the round 4 game (board 1) between Dublin & Balbriggan been played yet?
It seems to be holding up the FIDE ratings!

It should be scored as 0-0 . It is ridiculous that it has dragged on this long.

RooksPawn · 13-01-2020 11:05am

sodacat11 wrote: »

It should be scored as 0-0 . It is ridiculous that it has dragged on this long.

Or even -1 each!

Armstrong 2019/20 season

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