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Dee Forbes banging the RTE TV licence drum again 60m uncollected fee *poll not working - pl ignore*

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  • Registered Users Posts: 20,411 ✭✭✭✭kneemos


    They also get four billion odd from the license,plus all the programmes they seel around the world.



  • Registered Users Posts: 267 ✭✭Cyclonius


    I really dislike the idea of another household charge, even if it replacing the TV licence. As per previous commentators, the best solution is to downsize RTÉ, and pay it a grant from the public purse. I've been looking up figures for the other TV broadcasters, and it really highlights how bloated RTÉ, with its 1,800 to 1,900 staff, really is. Teilifís na Gaeilge, which runs TG4, had 121 employees in 2022. Virgin Media Television had 250 employees in 2015, and apparently 260 staff in 2020 (this second figure would be from a less well-known website, so I'd be less sure of it), which was more than sufficient to run 4 television channels.

    If RTÉ want to keep their current number of staff, they should be trying to produce more commercially viable entertainment that could be licenced out to Netflix, etc., or radically cut the size of the organisation to something more manageable. Why wouldn't an RTÉ of between 500 and 1,000 staff, on a total budget of €150 to €200m (government funding & advertising combined) be more than sufficient to meet our public service requirements? TG4 produces plenty of cultural related programming for a fraction of the price RTÉ does, and of at least comparable quality. Even if RTÉ had to reduce their output of Irish programming, so what? Most if it has a small to very small audience anyway, with the main people losing out being the various RTÉ insiders and friends currently feeding from the trough, all subsidised by the general Irish population/taxpayers.



  • Registered Users Posts: 16,058 ✭✭✭✭Loafing Oaf


    Quite possible neither she nor Leo have a strong preference on a funding model for RTE, given neither has signalled one publicly so far AFAIK. In that scenario, it is likely the guy who appears to have such a preference (Micheal for a household charge) who will drive the decision...



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,698 ✭✭✭RoTelly


    Indeed. However, RTÉ don't even come close to similar sized countries when it comes to content or services provided. And if they can compare themselves to BBC when talking about repeats we can compare them to the BBC. I have been long enough here to end defending RTÉ against people comparing them to the BBC.


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    Just one more thing .... when did they return that car

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  • Registered Users Posts: 20,411 ✭✭✭✭kneemos


    According to comments on Newstalk this morning there's always twice the number of staff in the RTE radio or TV studio compared to independent broadcasters.

    That don't strike me as an organisation comfortable with progress.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 2,247 ✭✭✭tinytobe


    They should have closed LW down more than 10 years ago and focused on a decent DAB+ coverage all across Ireland. LW radios are very rare these days, even buying new ones is a bit hard. RTE Radio 1 also wasn't historically ever on LW, the LW transmitter came into play because of Atlantic 252, commercially between the CLT and RTE.



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,698 ✭✭✭RoTelly


    I really wonder how much RTÉ saved closing LW and DAB? Honestly the continuation of those services were the issue at RTÉ.


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    Just one more thing .... when did they return that car

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  • Registered Users Posts: 2,247 ✭✭✭tinytobe


    Hard to say as we don't have the insight. I'd say, it was probably part of the problem. However the cost of LW must have been a concern otherwise they would have continued.

    DAB is roughly only one tenth of the cost of FM, plus RTE would have had the opportunity to transmit all of the programmes, like RTE Gold, Radio 2XM etc...

    LW was probably the worst in terms of cost and listenership or return of investment. On top of that, the RTE never historically transmitted Radio 1 on LW, - it only happened after Atlantic 252 and TeamTalk stopped. So RTE Radio 1 never had to rely on LW, no ageing listeners with old radios and nostalgia as well. The Irish expats in the UK relied already on other means than LW.


    The RTE's strategy was in a very dumb way twice wrong:

    • They've spent the cost of Radio 1 transmissions on LW for nearly 20 years, which has low to very low listenership.
    • They've missed building a DAB+ network to transmit their other programmes like Gold or 2XM to attract further listeners.

    And they've lost both, their LW transmission plus a decent DAB+ network, and have another problem, their finances.

    One can hardly say the word "smart" in this case.



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,698 ✭✭✭RoTelly


    In the case of LW they had a well organized Lobby that effectively prevented them from close LW, when the wanted to. I won't argue that case because I don't know the costs involved.

    RTÉ made the decision to close DAB, again to argue the case for the closure I would need more information, however I would point out the BAI's and the Independent Radio's unwillingness to push for DAB.

    however...

    Over the past decade RTÉ (as the title of this thread suggest) continually called for more money and played the poor mouth.

    I wonder, if they ever once looked spending on their own opulence and said "maybe we could keep both LW and DAB", would they be in the position they are currently in? I suggest not.


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  • Registered Users Posts: 4,464 ✭✭✭political analyst


    I can't imagine a broadcasting charge being brought in before the general election.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 2,247 ✭✭✭tinytobe


    It's hard to say, as we don't have that insight.

    However even if one doesn't have the insight, it's certainly very poor management.

    RTE lost the longwave transmission and also was unable to tackle that organized lobby who wanted to keep the LW alive. This resulted in increased transmission cost.

    RTE didn't establish a decent DAB+ coverage, or foster or campaign DAB+ to transmit all the other programmes. As the younger audience doesn't care about FM anymore, just 4 FM stations nationwide simply won't do it in the long run, - so they will lose market share as well.

    RTE overpaid Ryan Tubridy and also other RTE characters seem to get an excessive salary for the kind of work they are doing.

    RTE has suffered a credibility issue, not only the above mentioned issues, but also the news is biased, often a with a decent portion of left wing populism and not a neutral view, - at least not like the BBC ( which isn't perfect either, but still better)

    Now introducing a forced household charge won't mend any of that. It'll make the RTE even more unpopular and link the RTE even closer to politics, als politics would be involved in getting that household charge legally binding. During ever rising rents and a general cost of living crisis, it'll be a tough one, especially if an election is on the horizon.

    RTE would have to be re-invented, and costs would have to be cut, whether they like it or not. Either in salary, or job layoffs or the sale of one or the other TV or radio network, doesn't matter.



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,698 ✭✭✭RoTelly


    If RTÉ make a decision on LW or on DAB, that is their decision to make. Depending on your view point it is either a good or bad decision. I would offer that RTÉ didn't really make a decision on either, showing their lack of leadership skills.

    I do think that if RTÉ had retained LW and DAB, and they had not had the bad governance that they currently have, it would just be a normal managerial decision.

    I am not saying their decisions on DAB and LW were bad, they could easily be, and they may well be more clear signs of bad management in RTÉ over the last few years.

    For example in 2021 there were able to move the NSO to the NCH, this would have saved they €8m in 2021 but the move was postponed to 2022, even though preparation for the move had started in 2018.

    There are plenty more day-to-day issues that they were unable to grapple with.


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    Just one more thing .... when did they return that car

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  • Registered Users Posts: 4,464 ✭✭✭political analyst


    How the hell is ShinAwil still being contracted by RTÉ to produce 'Dancing with the Staff'? Was there really no company willing to produce an alternative for Sunday evenings for the first 3 months of the year?



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,698 ✭✭✭RoTelly


    Did they say this. That would be a lucrative contract, for RTÉ it is a risk to take a popular show from that time slot. I heard that they were considering The Masked Dancer as a replacement, not sure how true that is.


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  • Registered Users Posts: 14,056 ✭✭✭✭retalivity


    Shinawil, the company owned by a former RTE board member and his wife? Yeah, no idea why that contract keeps rolling on...



  • Registered Users Posts: 4,464 ✭✭✭political analyst


    Virgin Media Television has the Republic rights to The Masked Singer/Dancer.



  • Registered Users Posts: 4,464 ✭✭✭political analyst


    Was the contract for the next series of DWTS signed before Bakhurst took up his post?



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,698 ✭✭✭RoTelly


    Do they have the rights to produce the show in Ireland or just to show the UK version.

    He was only there for a few months, only went to one meeting and resigned.

    However he's largely head that Sunday Night since Popstars and You're a Star with just the exception of the 3 years of the All Ireland Talent Show which was produced by .... Moya Doherty's Tyrone Productions!


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    Just one more thing .... when did they return that car

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  • Registered Users Posts: 4,464 ✭✭✭political analyst


    Now that you've mentioned the idea of an Irish version of a UK show, I recall that RTÉ showed an Irish version of The Voice. I recall the Tyrone Productions end board on the RTÉ version of School Around the Corner!



  • Registered Users Posts: 8,281 ✭✭✭RabbleRouser2k


    Ah, The Voice of Ireland... formerly hosted by Eoghan McDermott (cough) and Kathryn Thomas. Apparently the owners of the Voice IP did NOT want Grainne Seoige to host it, tho RTE(and Noel Kelly) were pushing for her to be the host. She'd hosted The All Ireland Talent Show, which was 'Ireland's got talent' but even s****er than you could ever imagine.

    It did give us a really funny Savage Eye sketch tho.


    Tyrone productions website is a list of 'Just no'... http://www.tyroneproductions.ie/celebrating-30-years/

    Tyrone productions also gave us the INFAMOUS Celebrity Farm... 20 years later, and nobody's ever truly accepted the blame for that horrible moment in Irish history. Christ. Oh, and The Mentor, where Jay Bourke advised people on how to run their businesses... you know, the same guy who's bee court ordered not to manage any businesses, and is bankrupt, trying last year to have €13.7 million worth of debt written off. (And that's before we even touch on The Berlin bar fiasco.)

    https://www.irishtimes.com/business/agribusiness-and-food/restaurateur-jay-bourke-declared-bankrupt-over-558-000-tax-debt-1.4862312

    They also tried to shove Ray D'arcy into anything, including Superstar Dogs (link on the site above) and the remake of School Around the Corner, which went as well as any Ray D'arcy project in the 2000s, 2010s, and 2020s.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 17,285 ✭✭✭✭fritzelly


    The whole autumn schedule sounds like a savage eye episode



  • Registered Users Posts: 20,411 ✭✭✭✭kneemos


    Obituary might be good. Only thing I'd be interested in giving a watch.

    Yet another gangster crime drama too I see. Name escapes me.



  • Registered Users Posts: 4,672 ✭✭✭ShamNNspace


    A good idea for an Rte show could be one called... Look who's dead now... A weekly show concentrating on those who've passed away in the previous week, including funeral footage, interviews with those who vaguely knew the deceased, the local parish priest, the Iman and business people, finally the show would finish with a visit to the grave where the one and only Duffster would sign off for another week with suitably sombre music playing in the backround, while the great man intones "that's it for another busy week on the deathwatch, join me next week for more Deaths on BABOOM LOOK WHO'S DEAD NOW BABOOM.... just remember it could be YOU 👉

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  • Registered Users Posts: 3,744 ✭✭✭Brock Turnpike


    Great to see RTE season announcement confirming they have taken absolutely zero lessons on board from the event bad publicity. Same terrible presenters pushed front and centre for terrible programmes.



  • Registered Users Posts: 33,129 ✭✭✭✭NIMAN


    Nkm seem to have done ok again.

    Kathryn Thomas, Baz and Dermot Bannon to name 3 for starters. Probably more hidden away in there.



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,698 ✭✭✭RoTelly


    The Voice was produced by Shinawhil, Tyrone only ever produced the All Ireland Talent show. Tyrone produced both the RTÉ and UTV versions of School Around the Corner, they co-produce Ros Na Run.


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  • Registered Users Posts: 2,698 ✭✭✭RoTelly


    In fairness Ireland's Got Talent was an even shitter version of the All Ireland Talent Show.


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  • Registered Users Posts: 2,698 ✭✭✭RoTelly


    That will be two prime time shows for Katheryn, plus the RoT and standing in on the radio.... and she won't be in the top ten earners!


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    Just one more thing .... when did they return that car

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  • Registered Users Posts: 2,698 ✭✭✭RoTelly


    Another Drama that RTÉ put little money into!


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