New rules re asylum seekers

tretorn · 15-01-2019 4:40pm #1

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/crime-and-law/chilling-new-direction-on-asylum-and-immigration-cases-1.3757996

Why is this chilling, is it because it might affect gravy train lawyers as in they might have to do a bot of work.

I think its very sensible to ascertain if a person has a criminal record in another jurisdiction before we give them leave to stay here.

What Am I missing.

Captain Obvious · 15-01-2019 4:46pm

Can't read the article due to pay wall but I would presume it is to do with the difficulty of obtaining accurate information from a country a person is claiming asylum from.

riemann · 15-01-2019 4:47pm

tretorn wrote: »

Why is this chilling, is it because it might affect gravy train lawyers as in they might have to do a bit of work.

Bad news for audi dealers and cocaine dealers.

Expect an increase in compo claims to fill the hole. I'm off to buy a dashcam.

Gravelly · 15-01-2019 4:51pm

tretorn wrote: »

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/crime-and-law/chilling-new-direction-on-asylum-and-immigration-cases-1.3757996

Why is this chilling, is it because it might affect gravy train lawyers as in they might have to do a bot of work.

I think its very sensible to ascertain if a person has a criminal record in another jurisdiction before we give them leave to stay here.

What Am I missing.

Basically, lawyers are being asked to provide basic documentation, and to declare whether the asylum seeker has been involved in criminality - something one would have thought would have been a prerequisite for an asylum application already.

The only "chilling" thing about this is that these rules weren't in place before now.

Cue pearl-clutching and hysteria by immigration lawyers and quangos who might have to actually examine if some of those arriving are really deserving of asylum.

Fr_Dougal · 15-01-2019 4:55pm

The information required includes “every statement/representation made by the applicant or by any other member of his/her family . . . to any immigration body in Ireland or other jurisdiction”. It also requires them to produce details of criminal or civil proceedings in which their clients have ever been involved in the State or elsewhere.

About time.

One eyed Jack · 15-01-2019 5:22pm

Captain Obvious wrote: »

Can't read the article due to pay wall but I would presume it is to do with the difficulty of obtaining accurate information from a country a person is claiming asylum from.

Clear your browser cookies and try again

But yeah, that’s the basic upshot if it - makes more work for the lawyers representing applicants in these types of cases.

topper75 · 15-01-2019 6:41pm

https://www.limerickleader.ie/news/home/357404/prison-term-for-emotional-man-who-bit-gardas-arm-during-limerick-assault.html

I say fewer Mr. Baah's in the state would be good for Ireland. Not good for solilcitors' pockets, but good for Ireland.

I welcome this.

Kivaro · 15-01-2019 8:12pm

It makes complete sense for the President of the High Court to request this information. What are the numbers of asylum seekers applying in Ireland after being refused in Britain? Greater than 50% from mostly Indians and Pakistanis is one estimate.
It's a farce and the President of the High Court is trying to rectify the obvious flaw in our asylum process.

However, this will not stop the gray-train solicitors from using words like "chilling effect" and "gravely concerned" when asked to comply with the new High Court direction.

According to the Times Article:

One source said the entire list of immigration lawyers was “in revolt”.

Of course they are. We might finally be getting a level playing field in the lucrative asylum industry.

Beechwoodspark · 15-01-2019 8:13pm

It is not one bit chilling.

Very necessary and in truth doesn’t go far enough.

Hopefully will have a huge effect and cut down these frivolous last minute attempts to pervert justice.

Captain Obvious · 15-01-2019 8:37pm

Kivaro wrote: »

It makes complete sense for the President of the High Court to request this information. What are the numbers of asylum seekers applying in Ireland after being refused in Britain? Greater than 50% from mostly Indians and Pakistanis is one estimate.
It's a farce and the President of the High Court is trying to rectify the obvious flaw in our asylum process.

However, this will not stop the gray-train solicitors from using words like "chilling effect" and "gravely concerned" when asked to comply with the new High Court direction.

According to the Times Article:
Of course they are. We might finally be getting a level playing field in the lucrative asylum industry.

Are they not paid the same rates as legal aid for criminal cases?

Gatling · 15-01-2019 9:04pm

topper75 wrote: »

I say fewer Mr. Baah's in the state would be good for Ireland. Not good for solilcitors' pockets, but good for Ireland.

I welcome this.

70 previous conversations and were still keeping him here ...........

Sonic Youth · 15-01-2019 9:07pm

Gatling wrote: »

70 previous conversations and were still keeping him here ...........

Sure the poor baby might get mistreated if he was sent home.

tretorn · 15-01-2019 9:57pm

When I hear solicitors with their noses in the trough saying a new development is chilling I am inclined to think whatever they object to is a good idea.

What on earth can be wrong with digging into an asylum seekers background to see if they have criminal convictions, leopards dont change their spots and surely forewarned is forearmed. Who really wants people getting asylum if for example they are a danger to young women.

Wouldnt you think our esteemed Irish Times could at least remain biased and present some facts instead of reporting nonsense like this.

SEPT 23 1989 · 15-01-2019 10:00pm

I don't see any problem we have enough criminals in this country without inviting more in

imme · 15-01-2019 10:35pm

Gravelly wrote: »

Basically, lawyers are being asked to provide basic documentation, and to declare whether the asylum seeker has been involved in criminality - something one would have thought would have been a prerequisite for an asylum application already.

The only "chilling" thing about this is that these rules weren't in place before now.

Cue pearl-clutching and hysteria by immigration lawyers and quangos who might have to actually examine if some of those arriving are really deserving of asylum.

The entire system is messed up.

It should be as easy as can be.

Day 1 : hearing
Day 2 : judgement
Day 3 : appeal if judgement was deportation

It is not asylum that affects the majority in the process it is that they're trying to have a first world life.

imme · 15-01-2019 10:37pm

topper75 wrote: »

https://www.limerickleader.ie/news/home/357404/prison-term-for-emotional-man-who-bit-gardas-arm-during-limerick-assault.html

I say fewer Mr. Baah's in the state would be good for Ireland. Not good for solilcitors' pockets, but good for Ireland.

I welcome this.

How does someone from Guinea end up claiming asylum in Ireland.

New rules re asylum seekers

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